“The man should take the milk, but not directly from the breast of the woman,” Al Obeikan said, according to Gulf News. “He should drink it and then becomes a relative of the family, a fact that allows him to come in contact with the women without breaking Islam’s rules about mixing.”
Obeikan said the fatwa applied to men who live in the same house or come into contact with women on a regular basis, except for drivers.
Al Obeikan, who made the statement after being asked on TV about a 2007 fatwa issued by an Egyptian scholar about adult breast-feeding, said that the breast milk ought to be pumped out and given to men in a glass.
But his remarks were followed by an announcement by another high-profile sheik, Abi Ishaq Al Huwaini, who said that men should suckle the breast milk directly from a woman’s breast.
Shortly after the two sheiks weighed in on the matter, a bus driver in the country’s Eastern Region reportedly told one of the female teachers whom he drives regularly that he wanted to suckle milk from her breast. The teacher has threaten to file a lawsuit against him.
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it’s a shame when we are tempted by ideological differences to be opportunists, only except that we become pawns of the sensationalist media. Those dang wahhabis.
Check this out… probably still dumb (what Obeikan said), but not as sensational as the AOL news writer would like us to believe:
At least some non-Muslims take the time to research a bit first:
http://open.salon.com/blog/stellaa/2010/06/07/questions_on_the_breastfeeding_fatwa_story
Well indeed it is a shame, I can’t remember you being a particular good friend of researching things from say, my perspective but.. hmm ok!
The article you linked to indicates that the fatwa has not been put into practice. Of course it hasn’t. That doesn’t negate the fact that some stupid fatwas are out there and being discussed on the news.
the point really is future looking.. when we will see all sorts of fatwas out there, with the most ridiculous topics and answers…. a world without an Islamic authority is a world of effective religious anarchy.
“the point really is future looking.. when we will see all sorts of fatwas out there, with the most ridiculous topics and answers…. a world without an Islamic authority is a world of effective religious anarchy.”
That’s ridiculous. You obviously haven’t studied very much fiqh, if any at all. Because if you had, you would have known that the fuqaha’ discuss all sorts of far-fetched scenarios, that too under Islamic authority.
Nor, apparently, do you understand the media.
I’ve studied.. I’ve seen the far fetched scenarios. I’m not talking about far fetched scenarios but the multiplicity of opinions on real-life scenarios. Like gay sex, gender transformation surgery, and breast feeding to avoid pardah.
Please avoid polemics, in 2007 a teacher from al-Azhar, which advocates Sufism and Madhhabism, said the same and if not worse than this too! Will you start a thread on that too?
It is discussed below, so it appears you have arrived at your “Wahhabi exposure” a tad late:
http://www.wikiislam.com/wiki/Al-Azhar_fatwa_on_adult_suckling
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpz7V5aQ_Hg
http://www.irfi.org/articles/articles_901_950/controversial_fatwa__by.htm
he doesnt advocate my kind of sufism and madhabism, last time i checked my shaykhs was very clearly against the latest actions of ‘Azhari ulemas’.
Come on Br. Yursil, you’ve got to see sense on this one. We find ourselves in a terrible mess, and there’s no point pointing fingers all the time at the Wahabis. As Muslims, we’ve got a lot in common, and I can’t really imagine Shaykh Faraz Rabbani or any of the madhab-following shaykhs pointing fingers like this.
Auzubillahi Minas-shaytan al rajim
Bismillahirrahmanirrahim
Amad- it’s a shame when someone who claims to practice Islam like yourself is so deluded into following a heretical ideology that he even defends the suckling of a non-mahram woman’s breast milk to make looking at her halal. Tell me, is it the sucking of a woman’s breast that will make the man less desirous of the woman, or is it the actual consumption of the milk? I figure you’re the best person to ask.
To Mustafa. Yursil’s not ridiculous, you are in fact foolish. Let me tell you about one of the crazy situations you’re talking about. The fuqaha’ have discussed a situation where a man is trapped in a forest where all the trees and shrubbery is made of glass, and the floors are marble. There is no water available. Prayer time enters. What is he to do? Since you are probably too poorly educated to even figure our the problem here, it is that he can neither make wudu nor tayammum in this situation. That is a far-out hypothetical. What we have here is the actualization of an obscure narration which occurs only because there is no sword to cut the head of the Jaahil who would dare to claim that a non-Mahram man should suck the nipples of a woman in order to make it halaal to look at her. Have the Muslims truly sunk so low that all of you are defending this and blaming Br. Yursil for standing up to expose this stupidity?
As to Abu Yunis. Al Azhar is lost. You can deride me for this comment, I don’t care. When a school allows the likes of a man like Suhaib Webb to parade around as its graduate, I spit on it.
And to Abdus-Salam. If Faraz Rabbani does not condemn this, then he is in the wrong. Just because he doesn’t speak doesn’t mean that he agrees. As a Muslim, I have nothing to do with these Jaahil Najdis who are fondling the breasts of women. Perhaps you do.
Wasalaam.
@Ghulam Rasool: Err…no one thinks this is anything other than disgusting. Just that this is not really a function of a Wahhabi mentality, but rather simply the religious degeneration of Muslims in general today.
Sayyidi Yursil, I apologize for my earlier comment, which was unwarranted.
As for the other fellow, I don’t really feel compelled to grace such drivel with a response. To each his own, I suppose.
@ Abdus Salam- Can you imagine this happening in India, or in Indonesia, or in another country that still follows the way of Ahlu Sunnah wal Jamaa? I don’t think so. If you do, bon voyage to your land of illusions and delusions.
@ Mustafa- Yes, please don’t reply to my drivel as you can’t respond. Just some advice to you- don’t talk about Fiqh when you don’t know what it is.
I am from India, so please don’t get me started on the kind of fatwas that come out from there. I can’t believe you want to shut your eyes from the reality of the Muslim ummah today–regardless of faction. The sooner we work together, the better our situation will be. Young muslims are moving away from the deen all the time, and all we do is fight over our theological differences. It’s incredible.
Bismillahir Rahmaanir Rahiim
Asalaamu alaikum.
A ridiculous fatwa like this presents very real danger for women. Not only does it essentially “okay” the harrassment of women, such as that done by the bus driver in the example, but puts undue hardship on women. It will, most certainly, lead to instances of men demanding gratification from women using fostering as an excuse. It will, most certainly, also lead to women being condemned as adulterers after having been coerced or forced into the action. This takes away body autonomy from a woman and once again places it at the convenience of men, and not even the convenience of a husband, but any man who wants it. And there will be husbands, who for their own sicknesses, will abuse their wives by insisting that she do this, either for money or to build connections.
But some brothers want to whine about fighting over “theological differences”? Yursil isn’t the one who is ignoring the big picture just to create a sectarian division. It happens to be Wahabi scholars who issued the fatwa, and Wahabi Saudi Arabia is where it will almost certainly first be put into practice. You know, the same Wahabi Saudi Arabia where women who have been raped are stoned as adulterers and where men are almost never punished for their part in adultery at all.
i’d suggest that the brothers who are making a fight over theological differences are the ones who are arguing against this being in any way a Wahabi issue – but who are strangely silent on actually condemning the fatwas or showing any concern for the safety of women who are affected by such ridiculous fatwas. i know which brother i feel safer with…
BismillahirRahmanirRahim
Selam Aleykum,
The fatwa is nothing short of revolting and embarrassing. Abdus-Salam, why are you standing behind something like that? If you aren’t, then what is your purpose of going back and forth here? Plus, I’m quite sure that confusion isn’t limited to a geographic location. The ideology behind such confusion is to blame, which is what I think Yursil’s point was from the beginning.
One last comment if Br. Yursil will allow it. I find the fatwa disgusting, and it is indeed something that must be firmly repudiated. Having said that, my issue is with using this fatwa as an opportunity to take aim against the Wahabis. Wahabism is not monolithic, so to make a grand claim like Br. Yursil seems to have made here is not appropriate. This is revolting and is against the Sharia, and it should be exposed simply on those grounds.
Wahabism is not monolithic in its positions but it is united in its fractural nature.
What we are looking at is a 100 years now without any central Islamic authority with the added combination of tools and techniques to spread these opinions in the hands of a waiter in a internet cafe.
These two ingredients combined have caused the largest explosion, akin to a dirty bomb in its effects.
Each fragment opens the doors for wayward opinions that, which, on their own, self-justify according to their own understanding of Sharia, rather than an understanding which must be compared to the connected tradition.
Incidents like these are all part of the explosion.
The process is still unfolding, we are just experiencing the first parts of the explosion, it still has to spread further, and then there will be fallout. Already Muslims and Islam are largely unrecognizable to that which the unlettered Prophet (AS) brought, what will happen now?
BismillahHirRahmanNirRahim
This fatwa is hilarious to the extent of these so called shaikhs having those titles having the knowledge having the wisdom that people look upto to come out and announce such a fatwa is hilarious!