Open Letter from Shaykh Adnan Kabbani to his brother Shaykh Hisham Kabbani : “Stop polluting the teachings of the Naqshbandi Tariqat.”

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1. 

   Gibril Fouad Haddad

   June 8, 2010 at 11:55 am

   As-Salamu alaykum wa rahmatullah,

   May Allah Most High grant forgiveness to its writer and readers:

   — In sheiknazimforum@yahoogroups.com, “AHMAD” wrote:
   >
   >
   > Dear Members,
   > Assalamu Alaikum,
   > This letter is from my father, Sheikh Adnan Kabbani and I, Ahmed
   > Rafiudeen , his son am stating that I am publishing
   > this letter to the world and also for Sheikh Hisham Kabbani to read, on
   > the instructions of my father Sheikh Adnan
   > Kabbani. I also state that my father will answer any questions that my
   > uncle Sheikh Hisham Kabbani or anyone
   > concerned with this issue will ask of me. I state this with
   > responsibility and am taking over full responsibility on my
   > self that this letter is genuinely from my father Sheikh Adnan Kabbani.
   > May Allah bless you.
   > Ahmed Rafiudeen.
   > (Son of Sheikh Adnan.)

   May Allah bless our Prophet, his Family, his Companions, and all the Friends of Allah Most High, at their vanguard Sultan al-Awliya Mawlana Shaykh Nazim and all his followers, at their vanguard Shaykh Adnan and Shaykh Hisham who are his main two deputies who command our respect and devotion.

   I respectfully write these lines uninstructed other than by my duty to Mawlana Shaykh Nazim and in hope that I do not fail him. If I do, I know He does not fail me or anyone of us who love him and intend to follow him without reserve to the Shore of Safety. Mawlana shall destroy this Fitna in less than the blink of an eye if he wishes so it is easy, al-hamdu lillah, to sift right from wrong–although we do ask Allah subhan wa taala to employ us with what is constructive only, as I think there is other work to do.

   Since respected Brother Ahmed Rafiudeen is making this letter of Shaykh Adnan public on behalf of Shaykh Adnan, and said that the latter will answer any questions that anyone concerned with this issue will ask, I took it upon myself to respond, not to defend Shaykh Hisham as it would be like the little finger trying to shelter the body, but to remind myself and others of certain truths only as a matter of record here and hereafter. I seek refuge in Allah also from doing or saying something inappropriate; this is only a public stand because this letter was made public instead of being a private communication as I would have thought it should be.

   I seek refuge also from the Divine beguilement (istidraaj) and shaytanic delusion (ghurur) in which certain groups and their leaders seem to have fallen concerning Shaykh Hisham, as they now consider his flesh halal and stand by like mute devils when he is being called mubtadi`, safeeh, munafiq, even murtadd. And they call themselves Haqqani. Allah Most High Hears and Sees. All we can say is remind people of Nasiha and confirm the Nasiha others give then it’s out of our hands, for example we can only say: Prophet ayahissalam said the Paternal Uncle is the Twin Trunk of the Father (al-`amm sinwu al-ab) and to disrespect either is one of the Grave Sins (Kaba’ir).

   Accordingly I have framed the response as a text addressed to the readers and fellow Murids in this Path, not as a response (Hasha!) to the original writer of the letter Shaykh Adnan. I doubt that Shaykh Hisham will respond and thus by these mere remarks for the record I wish for others what I wish for myself, namely a reassurance that Haqq is Haqq and batil is batil. And Allah Most High is the Guarantor of our acts and words and He is the Best Judge.

   > OPEN LETTER BY SHEIKH ADNAN TO SHEIKH HISHAM
   > Assalamu Alaikum,
   > Dear brother,
   > In an open letter to those who are attacking Sheikh Hisham, you have
   > said that this letter is sent on behalf of the
   > Naqshbandi Haqqani Sufi Order. How can you say this? Are you the head of
   > the Naqshbandi Sufi Order or is Moulana
   > Sheikh Nazim the head of the Naqshbandi Sufi Order. You may have said
   > that it is an open letter from Sufi Live, but
   > to say that it was sent on behalf of the Naqshbandi Sufi Order means
   > that you are saying that this letter is officially
   > from Moulana Sheikh Nazim. This is however not true. You are trying to
   > mislead the murids of Moulana Sheikh
   > Nazim by using these words.

   Nowhere has Shaykh Hisham ever described himself as “the head of the Naqshbandi Sufi Order.” That title is only for Mawlana Shaykh Nazim. However, Mawlana has appointed Shaykh Hisham as a representative of the Naqshbandi Sufi Order. He has even said that Shaykh Hisham not only represents him and is authorized by him, but also that Shaykh Hisham represents Mawlana Shaykh AbdAllah and is authorized by him. This means to any responsible person that if Shaykh Hisham speaks on behalf of the Order then Yes, by Allah, it is officially from Mawlana Shaykh Nazim. If we had more faith we would accept it even if it came from an unerage child if that child came to us telling us “Your Shaykh said…”

   Moreover, to mention a hypothetical example, if someone dared claim that Shaykh Adnan was not given baya by Mawlana Shaykh AbdAllah and Mawlana Shaykh Nazim and that anyone claiming that Shaykh Adnan took baya is trying to mislead the murids of Mawlana Shaykh Nazim because only Shaykh Nazim is supposed to speak, one might say to them: “Liar! He is authorized, and it is you who are trying to mislead the Murids with pseudo-legalism.”

   This is like you copying videos where
   > Moulana has praised you before and are trying to
   > use it now for this issue.
   > This praise that comes from Moulana to you was before and it was
   > relating to something else. When someone does
   > something good it is only natural that Moulana praises them. In the same
   > manner Moulana has praised both you and
   > others over and over again.

   To compare Mawlana’s praise of Shaykh Hisham or Shaykh Adnan to his praise of others in general terms is to try to dilute the salt of the ocean with a glass of fresh water. It’s not going to work. Al-Hamdu lillah Shaykh Hisham and Shaykh Adnan are the Salt of this tariqa and the reason why existence has meaning for many Murids, because they can understand Mawlana through them. This is because Mawlana formed them to be that, and the gifts of Allah Most High no one can repel and no one can measure. From that gift everything else has flowed and to a certain extent there are many other mirrors of Mawlana but mostly junior–and some false also. The point is there is no comparison between the Two Companions of the First Hour and the rest. This point has to be made clear to us the small Murids and Lovers of this Tariqa. As Sayyidina Umar b. Abd al-Aziz said: “The dust in the nostrils of the horse of a Sahabi is a thousand times better than a Tabi`i.”

   If this is clear then we may focus on Mawlana’s praise of Shaykh Hisham and we can then see that it is a kind of praise that is unprecedented and incomparable to any other praise in this Tariqa and the archives are there for you to try and disprove it if you can. If one wishes to interpret away such praise with the scale of Tanqees then they may also know where bukhl and dann stand in the scale of blameworthy attributes, not to mention hasad. A hadith states that If a person teaches one good thing he will have such and such reward, such and such forgiveness, such and such high level, such and such istighfar from the angels….

   So we say to detractors from here and there (not Shaykh Adnan) who claim that Mawlana praises Shaykh Hisham only a little, or just as much as he praises others: “Mawlana is not Bakheel, he is not Maghlul al-Yad, he is not Poor and Afraid over his Resources, he is not like you or me. If he says of Shaykh Hisham ‘Qutb al-Mutasarrif’ he is not speaking nonsense. And if you want to be praised like Shaykh Hisham then go and do like Shaykh Hisham. The world is before you, famshu fi manakibiha and do your best just as Shaykh Hisham does his best–or more if you can.”

   You are using these videos of praise and are
   > trying to show the world that where the
   > http://WWW.NURMUHAMMAD.COM issue is concerned that you have been praised for
   > it. This is not true.
   > These videos showing Moulana praising you was done in some other
   > context. You are misleading people by now
   > trying to show them that Moulana has praised you and implying that
   > Moulana Sheikh Nazim is approving your fake
   > website. Why are you trying to manipulate and use for your convenience
   > what Moulana Sheikh Nazim said to you in
   > another context.

   The abovementioned website does not belong to Shaykh Hisham but to one of his supporters. I believe this is known to all, so this is a false attribution of ownership that keeps being promoted for some reason? Shaykh Hisham’s own websites are known.

   Secondly, why sift the mosquito when you let the camel pass? I mean Haqiqat ul Haqqani, a book which according to the standards of the Masters of Tariqa such as Mawlana Shaykh Khalid or Mujaddid Alf al-Thani contains hulul and shirk (see below).

   Thirdly, Mawlana Shaykh Nazim’s approval of Shaykh Hisham does not have to be repeated with specific language for every new matter that comes up. Mawlana does not have to broadcast to the world that he approves of everything Shaykh Hisham does; if Mawlana says to someone in March “Follow Shaykh Hisham and work for him, obey him and defend him against devils and against nonsense-mongers” he does not have to say it again in April, and again in May and again the next year. One time is enough. This Nasikh wal-Mansukh mentality that picks and chooses what is relevant and when, putting restrictions and canceling at will is really ta`teel in disguise, i.e. nullification of Mawlana’s directives. It is not acceptable from anyone.

   Your website where you are now trying to defend
   > yourself carries many videos where Moulana is
   > praising you. This website is named as a “defending” website. To
   > call it a defending website in the manner that you
   > have called it means that you have something to defend. Yes indeed you
   > have.

   Wa-amma bi-ni`mati Rabbika fa-haddith. Praising the symbols of truth is part of defending it. Yes indeed we defend Truth as Shaykh Hisham, by order and support of Mawlana Shaykh Nazim, stands for Truth more than anyone we know after Mawlana Shaykh Nazim, so it is 100% logical–pardon me: WAJIB that we defend Shaykh Hisham. It is your duty also, dear reader and dear brethren in Tariqa, to defend Shaykh Hisham and when you or others stand for Truth as much or more than he does then we will defend you and them also.

   In either case the Niyya is the defense and illustration of Mawlana Shaykh Nazim, which in turn means the Defense and Illustration of Rasulullah. The Holy Qur’an consists in praise of the Holy Prophet from beginning to end and the Prophet salla Allahu `alayhi wa-Sallam said “He does not thank Allah who does not thank people,” so praise is a Divine and Prophetic Sunna and it has its full reward in sha Allah.

   And if for some reason, respected reader and brethren, your chest cannot expand to find itself praising and defending Shaykh Hisham or recognizing his standing, or at least thanking him for his contribution, then at least take custody of your tongue and fear Allah and the Last Day concerning whom your and our Shaykh Mawlana Shaykh Nazim has chosen to speak on his behalf “anywhere, anywhere” (in Mawlana Shaykh Nazim’s own words). Fear Allah and keep mute, “Whoever keeps mute is safe” especially when there are Sharia reasons commanding you to be respectful, among them:

   (i) having given Shaykh Hisham Bay`a BY ORDER OF MAWLANA;
   (ii) being one or two generations younger than Shaykh Hisham;
   (iii) being less knowledgeable;
   (iv) being less educated;
   (v) being a relative;
   (vi) being a junior relative;
   (vii) being a more recent appointee;
   (viii) being less active in service of this Tariqa; etc.

   Any one of the above is enough ground to watch where you tread when it comes to that man’s honor if you want protection from hellfire in the hereafter.

   You are trying to defend
   > http://WWW.NURMUHAMMAD.COM
   > Let us come to the point. Show us a video or a sohbet by Moulana Sheikh
   > Nazim where he is praising you in
   > connection with what you are doing with http://WWW.NURMUHAMMAD.COM. If you do
   > this, then you are being fair and
   > telling the world the truth. But if on the other hand you are showing
   > many videos, where Moulana Sheikh Nazim is
   > praising you for other things done by you, and if you are trying to get
   > the message across that he is praising you for
   > your part in http://WWW.NURMUHAMMAD.COM, then you are only trying to mislead
   > everyone.

   It appears the reason why this open letter is not addressed to the owner of that site is to try by all means to pin down on Shaykh Hisham the doings of one of the students of this Tariqa. And this fashion of direct rebuke of the Most Distinguished Spokesman of the Most Distinguished Tariqa Naqshbandiyya is not only ineffective in itself and offensive and against Shari`a as Imam al-Shafi`i warned concerning public rebukes; more importantly, in reality it is attacking Mawlana Shaykh Nazim just like he was attacked because of those who did things in his name of which he himself does not necessarily approve. Some people in very high places have failed to pass this test, because in their view they could not accept that Mawlana Shaykh Nazim does not exercise full control externally of every micro-detail and every person’s elucubrations and administrations. I know that the Shuyukh know this better than myself but I am just repeating my lesson in order for them to approve, and as a reminder for myself and others who may be shaken by such tests of our convictions.

   Don‟t you think that this
   > is a very bad thing to do. People think that they are vey clever and
   > that they can fool everyone by their shrewdness and
   > craftiness. Why are you descending to such low levels when you are
   > dealing with matters that are Divine.
   > This is not a court house where lawyers are stating their points of
   > view, not caring whether they are lying or not but
   > only to win, and at all cost. This is something else. You must have a
   > fear of Allah Almighty and of the Grandsheikhs
   > of the Naqshbandi Tariqat, and that should be your guide when you say
   > something about their revered teachings. You
   > seem to have no fear whatsoever in trying to put across your point of
   > view at the cost of corrupting the teachings of the
   > Naqshbandi Tariqat.

   AlHamdu lillah we repeat what Mawlana Shaykh Nazim said to people about Shaykh Hisham on December 6, 2006 despite every denier and negator: “He [Shaykh Hisham] calls you to Allah and to his beloved Prophet (s) and to awliyas. And I don’t think he is calling you to dunya. I am not calling you to dunya and he never also calling you to dunya.” Of such a level of person one can only think of the paramount Hadith Qudsi in Sahih al-Bukhari: “Whoever comes against a Friend of Mine I declare war against him.” So dear reader and brethren take shelter under the protection of Salam and remove your hand from any further assistance to those who come against Shaykh Hisham; otherwise, you have Mawlana Shaykh Nazim’s direct assurance that there will be a heavy price to pay.

   Our witnessing of Shaykh Hisham is that he is the faithful Mirror of Mawlana Shaykh Nazim and that he latter considers him the faithful, crystal-clear MAKEEN –STABLE and AMEEN – TRUSTWORTHY Tarjuman of this Tariqa and its Awliya with Karamaat of communication and transformation of hearts which, thanks to Allah and then Rasulullah and then Mawlana Shaykh Nazim, move mountains and turn tin into gold. Mawlana Shaykh Nazim as far as we can see has appointed and formed Shaykh Hisham to be, in our humble experience, the true Alchemist of Hearts in our time, providing the Alchemy of Happiness that Imam al-Ghazali wrote about. Show us another one who can do that, please! and we will follow him also. We cannot be claiming that Mawlana Shaykh Nazim does not give this to anyone; he gives anything he pleases to anyone he pleases, because we believe he follows instructions from above.

   At the same time Shaykh Hisham is not a pushover, he is not naïve, and he is not weak. We have seen him for years and years observing patience and letting things go even though those who opposed him (and continue to), as much as they think of themselves in their delusion, are in reality like a small kitten between the paws of a lion. All the while he is also conducting the affairs of the Tariqa east and west and in the hearts also, and teaching about the Masters’ Insights into the Qur’an, the Sunna, and the Sayings of the Masters without fail and without fatigue and without complaint! Rather, with a smile and a sense of humor with everyone high and low. If this is not the Adab of a true Wali of this Tariqa Naqshbandiyya then there is no Tariqa Naqshbandiyya.

   > Let your videos be shown on your website. Let everyone know that Moulana
   > Sheikh Nazim has praised you on many
   > occasions but let them also know that Moulana Sheikh Nazim has never
   > ever praised you regarding what you have
   > done with http://WWW.NURMUHAMMAD.COM. A lot of eye wash is what your website
   > is. I do not say that everything
   > that you have done is wrong. On the contrary, I say that you have done
   > many things for the Tariqat, that deserves
   > praise. But I am sad to say on the issue of http://WWW.NURMUHAMMAD.COM and also
   > what you did concerning
   > Haqiqat ul Haqqani by lying about it, you were never praised.

   Where has Mawlana Shaykh Nazim praised Haqiqat ul Haqqani? “Address people with that they can carry. Do you like for Allah and His Rasul to be called Liars?!” And even other than Haqiqatul Haqqani, even on this very Forum, is there not post after post containing inappropriate and out-of Sharia comments? Here is but one example from among the very first posts posted on ShaykhNazimForum:

   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sheiknazimforum/message/8

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   So the Khalifatullah is the one we direct our hearts to when we pray? He is the one to whom we say ‘Iyyaka nawbudu wa iyyaake nathaeen- thee alone do we worship thee alone do we seek for aid’?? Subhan Allah! I thought it was ALLAH–LA SHAREEKA LAH. So then in the time of the Khulafa Rashidun people were praying to Abu Bakr al-Siddiq? Then to Salman? And the bowing and prostration of worship is to them? Can you imagine what would happen to the head of someone who would say such statements in that time? This is what happens when ecstatic speech completely overwhelms and eliminates the boundaries of language taught by the Prophet alyhissalam and transmitted by the Awliya.

   Yet we see people summon Shaykh Hisham to stick to Sharia, when Mawlana has made him in fact the most Sharia-balanced and the model of all. And this harping on the Noor Muhammad website is meaningless when there is an entire book filled with TAAMMAAT that have blackened the reputation of Tariqa Naqshbandiyya and Mawlana Shaykh Nazim with all sorts of ugly accusations of hulul and ittihad way beyond wahdat al-wujud, beyond Hallaj (who is not considered a teaching source in our Tariqa, has Mawlana ever recommended reading him??). Physician, heal thyself.

   Mawlana does not have to specify NOR justify in what respect Shaykh Hisham should be supported and similarly if Shaykh Hisham has followers that work hard for Tariqa and then make mistakes then he can fix them. It is in the Hadith! If we did not sin and make istighfar Allah subhan wataala would replace us with those who would. It is not appropriate for someone to come and claim: “Because in our opinion this website runs counter to Mawlana’s teachings then we can now accuse Shaykh Hisham of such and such.” Again, please tell us which part of Haqiqat ul Haqqani qualifies as Mawlana Shaykh Nazim’s teaching or his own words?

   Al-hamdu lillah we have i`tiqad because Mawlana has placed in Shaykh Hisham what is enough and proper for the guidance of people at this time even if some like to whisper that Shaykh Hisham does not measure up to some people’s imagined standard of what Mawlana’s appointee should be. That is because in reality they are objecting to Mawlana Shaykh Nazim. Subhan Allah, how much Mawlana suffered at the hand of fellow Murids of Sultan al-Awliya Mawlana Shaykh AbdAllah in Shaam who considered themselves more deserving of Mawlana Shaykh AbdAllah’s approval than Mawwlana Shaykh Nazim, either because of age, or some other issue of self-image. And it is a sign of Shaykh Hisham’s standing that he is facing the very same test; and may Allah Most High grant him the very same steadfastness and the very same reward.

   Was-Salam,
   gibril

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     mureed

     June 9, 2010 at 12:59 am

     In the words of Mawlana Shaykh Nazim, “When lions are roaring street dogs keep quiet.” We should let the ones of whom there is conflict to respond, it is not only that you should not have to respond for Shaykh Hisham, also they are blood brothers. he should respond for himself, middle man conversations create Fitnah, we want clarity not confusion. It’s important for mureeds to be quiet, we aren’t deserved to speak, especially if Shaykh Adnan who never says anything publically, is saying this is in response to Mawlana Shaykh Nazims wish. We do not want to assume either Shaykh Hisham or Shaykh Adnan are lying. You have a great deal of knowledge and are very learned, but wisdom does not come with knowledge, rather the latter. Please forgive me and my Allah bless you.

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       mohd yusri

       July 17, 2010 at 11:01 pm

       assalamualaikum….
       i agreed with this…we mureed should keep quiet……and do not interfere…this is the issues that beyond our reach of thought……bare in mind we are only mureed….they are syeikh..they know better about their action…….sometimes we do not understand the hikmah behind their action so why not we just remain silent and address them properly……..

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2. 

   Nureddin

   June 8, 2010 at 12:30 pm

   Bismillahi Rahmani Rahim

   From Maulana Shaykh Nazim’s teachings:

   “And for Hinduism and Buddhism we are not saying that they are heavenly religions – they are such preliminary beliefs which belong to very old times. They are like idol-worshippers. Therefore, we do not find any relationship between Islam and Buddhism or Hinduism, not any relationship, because they are mostly based on imagination and idol-worshippers. We are not accepting.”

   ( http://www.sufismus-online.de/RelationshipBetweenIslamHinduismAndBudhism )

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3. 

   yursil

   June 8, 2010 at 1:30 pm

   BismillahirRahmanirRahim
   Salamu’alaykum,

   Regardless of whom you organize or frame your response to, the letter and points you quote from is from Shaykh Adnan.

   Are you saying Shaykh Adnan is incorrect on his points?

   As for this:

   Our witnessing of Shaykh Hisham is that he is the faithful Mirror of Mawlana Shaykh Nazim and that he latter considers him the faithful, crystal-clear MAKEEN –STABLE and AMEEN – TRUSTWORTHY Tarjuman of this Tariqa and its Awliya with Karamaat of communication and transformation of hearts which, thanks to Allah and then Rasulullah and then Mawlana Shaykh Nazim, move mountains and turn tin into gold.

   Mirror of Mawlana Shaykh Nazim? What?

   Mawlana Shaykh Nazim as far as we can see has appointed and formed Shaykh Hisham to be, in our humble experience, the true Alchemist of Hearts in our time, providing the Alchemy of Happiness that Imam al-Ghazali wrote about. Show us another one who can do that, please! and we will follow him also. We cannot be claiming that Mawlana Shaykh Nazim does not give this to anyone; he gives anything he pleases to anyone he pleases, because we believe he follows instructions from above.

   No, Maulana Shaykh Nazim is the Alchemist of Hearts in our time.. That is the fundamental problem here isn’t it. Claiming to be something on par with Shaykh Maulana.

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   Muhammad Ilias

   June 8, 2010 at 8:36 pm

   The issue is not claiming to be on par with Mawlana Shaykh but to be acknowledging Allah’s Grace. What Shaykh Nazim bestows on his caliphas is up to him, and what he has bestowed on Shaykh Hisham is something incontrovertible. Dhalik fadlullahi yu`teehi man yashaa, wallahu dhul-fadl-il-`azheem.
   The Truth will out and so patience will show who is standing on a firm foothold in Mawlana Shaykh’s court.

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     yursil

     June 8, 2010 at 9:36 pm

     Are you saying what has been bestowed upon Shaykh Adnan is controvertible?

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5. 

   Abdul Qahhar

   June 8, 2010 at 11:29 pm

   Audhu Billahi Min al-Shaytan al-Rajim
   BismillahirRahmanirRahim
   Medet.

   This is in reply to Gibril al-Maruni’s attempt to manipulate the Truth and twist the words of Mawlana Sultan al-Awliya. O Son of a Heretic! We will no longer stand for your playing games with the Truth. Leave Islam and Tariqat to true Mu’mins and Muslims, not those who still have stirrings of Kufr swimming in their hearts.

   Firstly; who are you to interfere into a matter between Sheykh Adnan and Sheykh Hisham. Did you not say to Yursil yourself
   “Please, please do not enter into the matter of Shaykh Adnan with Shaykh Hisham. I have lived in Syria for nine years and can tell you that you do not even begin to understand to what extent Shaykh Hisham is walking on fire for the sake of mawadda, silat al-rahm, and the honor of the Tariqa and Mawlana. And all those who follow Shaykh Hisham love and respect Shaykh Adnan no matter what. No one disrespects nor even dreams of disrespecting Shaykh Adnan, and if they do then they should repent.”

   Yet here you are interfering. And despite the lies that you weave, your entire post here is dedicated to discrediting Sheykh Adnan and his legitimate complaints against Sheykh Hisham. One hadith for you, Gibril. I know that you are new to Islam, so maybe you have not heard it.

   “Usamah bin Zaid (May Allah be pleased with them) reported: The Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said,

   “A man will be brought on the Day of Resurrection and will be cast into Hell, and his intestines will pour forth and he will go round them as a donkey goes round a millstone. The inmates of Hell will gather round him and say: ‘What has happened to you, O so-and-so? Were you not enjoining us to do good and forbidding us to do evil?’ He will reply: ‘I was enjoining you to do good, but was not doing it myself; and I was forbidding you to do evil, but was doing it myself”. ”

   To continue. In praising Sheykh Hisham, you use the quote, Sayyidina Umar b. Abd al-Aziz said: “The dust in the nostrils of the horse of a Sahabi is a thousand times better than a Tabi`i.” Subhan’Allah. Do you know what a Tabi’i is? One who did not see the Prophet (AS) with his own eyes. Are you so eager to claim that Mawlana is passed from this life that we cannot see him? Are you so eager to put Hisham on his throne? Perhaps in your heart you hope to be his Vizier? Gibril! We have seen Mawlana. We have taken from Mawlana. Is it not possible that others will come after Hisham who are better than him? Wasn’t Umar (RA) a higher Sahabi than his brother-in-law from whom he learned Islam? Don’t be so eager for Mawlana to pass; and if you are, at least have the intelligence to hide this desire.

   It is not Wajib for us to defend Sheykh Hisham. You have truly lost your mind. How dare you equate Sheykh Hisham with Mawlana. I know that you miss Christianity and nothing would make you more comfortable than propagating the Trinity of Nazim, Hisham, and Adnan. But this is far from the Truth. There is one Mawlana, one Sultan al-Awliya. We defend him and answer to him. All others are under his feet. On a side note: we wonder what Hisham has promised you to make you come out of hiding from Brunei and defend your former Master after making fatwa against him? What dunya has he promised you? Whatever it is it is a cheap price for betraying the Truth.

   Also, Sheykh Hisham is weak. His every action betrays weakness. His own brother calls him pathetic. We want a Sultan. We want a man who is strong like the Prophet (AS). This is why we love the Sultan al-Awliya. We don’t want effeminate men like Hisham as our leaders.

   You are attacking Sheykh Adnan. You are not following your own advice. Brother Yursil has already demonstrated that your words show you seek to equate Hisham with Mawlana Shaykh Nazim. Gibril; wake up. The time of Hisham’s games and falsehood is over. Either be with Haqq, or be swallowed by batil.

   Either control your venomous tongue or speak for Haqq. If you continue to be an agent of batil, then we will expose you as we have exposed your Pathetic Master, Hisham Lubnani. Until you repent and ask forgiveness from Mawlana from your dirtiness and apologize to Sheykh Abdul Kerim Efendi, may both of your filth continue to stink so that the whole world can recognize its stench.

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6. 

   onlooker

   June 8, 2010 at 11:46 pm

   BismillahirRahmanirRahim
   Salamu’alaykum,
   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
   Fear Allah and keep mute, “Whoever keeps mute is safe” especially when there are Sharia reasons commanding you to be respectful, among them:

   (i) having given Shaykh Hisham Bay`a BY ORDER OF MAWLANA;
   (ii) being one or two generations younger than Shaykh Hisham;
   (iii) being less knowledgeable;
   (iv) being less educated;
   (v) being a relative;
   (vi) being a junior relative;
   (vii) being a more recent appointee;
   (viii) being less active in service of this Tariqa; etc.

   Any one of the above is enough ground to watch where you tread when it comes to that man’s honor if you want protection from hellfire in the hereafter.

   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
   these are your own word GFH, keep your lips closed about shaykh adnan, your are also (ii) to (viii), so what makes you to have the right to say and talk about shaykh adnan this way? after all, he is still older brother of your shaykh, that fact alone should have make you think twice about saying such things.

   wa salaam

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7. 

   mureeds

   June 9, 2010 at 1:12 am

   I witnessed with my own eyes infront of hundreds of people Mawlana saying Shaykh Adnan was his successor. Now it’s important to remember that the side everyone keeps claiming to be on is Mawlana Shaykh Nazims side, Shaykh Adnan is not a liar, it is not your place to say he is one or even to imply it. You are speaking to educated people who understand the level of successorship in terms of Tariqa or any other organized group with a leader, if you are playing follow the leader as Tariqa should be, the leader is Mawlana Shaykh Nazim, and I can tell you that he loves both Shaykh Adnan and Shaykh Hisham. now it’s time to be quiet and let them deal with the issue. It just causes fitnah to get in between them, regardless of your intention.

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8. 

   Garbage Hani Garbage

   June 9, 2010 at 11:34 pm

   audhu bil-Lahi min ash-shaytan ar-RAJEEM

   Bismillah hir-Rahman ir-Raheem [786]

   was-Salaat was-Salaam ‘ala RasulAllah [92]
   wa ‘ala Alihi wa Sahbihi Ajmaeen

   wa ‘alaykum as-Salaam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu!

   A challenge was put on the table and it was readily picked up and met:

   http://www.sufilive.com/What_Does_Mawlana_Shaykh_Nazim_Say_About_NurMuhammad_com_-2492.html

   Dome Dome Dome…

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9. 

   Hesham Mohamed

   June 10, 2010 at 2:14 am

   As Salamu alaykum wa Rahmat Allah wa Barakatuh,
   A’udhu Billah min ash Shaytan irRajim
   Bismillah ir Rahman ir Rahim
   Allahumma Salli ala Sayyidina Muhammad

   Al Hamd lillah Mawalana Shaykh Nazim, may Allah give him a very long and happy life, has put an end to this issue in his statement on June 9th 2010 as seen on Sufilive and You tube.

   Al Hamd lillah he has praised Mawlana Shaykh Hisham repeatedly. He has also praised Mawlana Shaykh Adnan. We love them all. I have witnessed Mawlana Shaykh Hisham’s tireless work on behalf of Mawlana Sultan al Awliya. I have seen Sultan refer to Shaykh Hisham and Shaykh Adnan as his Khalifa’s. We have all seen Mawlana referring to Shaykh Hisham as Qutb al Mutasarif!

   Let us avoid fitna, Mawlana does not like it. Mawlana wants us to love even the lowly creatures for Allah’s sake. What about his Khalifa’s?! Thank you Mawlana Shaykh Nazim for your endless patience with us! Thank you Shaykh Hisham and Shaykh Adnan for helping our master, may Allah bless you all.

   Thank you Shaykh Gibril for defending the truth and for your lucid post above. We miss you and we love you. I have heard from the people at Cyprus that Mawlana has praised you as one of the top defenders of Ahl alSunna, AlHamdulillah!

   Brother Yursil, O son of a believer, will Mawlana be happy with you to carry the posting of Abdul Qahhar above?

   Wa Salam,

   Hesham

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10. 

    belief

    June 10, 2010 at 4:54 am

    Dear Respected brother Hesham, Salaam Aleykum.

    We are all students of Tassawuff, Shaykh Adnan does not publicize what names Mawlana praises him with, and this is out of humility. Anyone who has spent any time in Cyprus knows Shaykh Adnan has been referred by Shaykh Nazim from his own mouth to as his successor. Mawlana calls Shaykh Hisham Qutb Al Mutasarif, yet he says Shaykh Adnan will be the 41st Grand-Shaykh of this tariqa, which is something I witnessed with my own eyes, and so did thousands of people because Mawlana has said it more then once. We love Shaykh Hisham, we love Shaykh Adnan. Nurmuhammad is not Shariah and it doesn’t take any authority to see that. That being said, you look at the subtitles when Mawlana says ohf ohf ohf and you see (very impressed) in brackets, what are you going to assume what Mawlana is thinking in his head because he said ohf ohf ohf? Why did you put that in subtitles?

    A rational human being knows that publicizing a video that shows Mawlana making a joke to Shaykh Hisham “shit on there heads,” is and is subtitled there to imply the theoretical defecation on Shaykh Adnans head, is wrong plain and simple. Ask Mawlana if he would say that if he knew Shaykh Adnan was objecting to Shaykh Hishams website.

    Questions with your video.

    1. Why doesn’t Shaykh Hisham say straight up, Shaykh Adnan wrote a letter being upset about this website. Mawlana doesn’t read these websites, you see this video was put on June 09th, and Shaykh Hisham mentions like 5 other websites there, Mawlana does not care about these websites, this is SULTANUL AWLIYAH, he loves Shaykh Hisham, that much we can see in the video, and no one is denying that. We are human beings, all of us, humans make mistakes, only Prophets are infalliable.

    2. This statement is a public statement, Shaykh Hisham, if he’s defending Haqq should give Mawlana every detail, if you are speaking Islamically, if he has an issue, Mawlana needs to know all the facts. Why does Shaykh Hisham say “some people are saying?” I would never call even my own older brother some people, his brothers opinion has the right to be called up straight forward. No more of this beating around the bush, we deserve straight forward questions if Shaykh Hisham is going to “answer” these issues. Shaykh Adnan is not, and I repeat, is not just some other khalifa. Mawlana never has publically EVER said that Shaykh Hisham is the rightful successor, there are thousands of people all over the world who heard Mawlana say it more then once, that Shaykh Adnan will be successor.

    If you want to change peoples minds I suggest you ask Shaykh Hisham to retape a converstaion ONLY about Nurmuhammad.com and it’s contents. Giving vague descriptions about websites, when Mawlana is 88 years old man with no interest in computers what so ever is silly. forget that it’s a website, speak about the contents and let’s see what he really says. No more of this oh someone said this or someone said that, it’s time to get to the crux of the issue, instead of beating around the bush thinking that is going to be a good enough answer, not when it comes to Shaykh Adnan it’s not.

    I as someone who loves all the individuals who are involved in this issue, hope that theres some transparency, so people can get peace of mind instead of the same old gibber jabber. That video was incredibly inconclusive and actually made me giggle. I’m not affiliated with any khalifa, infact I have spent more time with Shaykh Hisham then I have with any other of Mawlanas khalifas, and I can tell you that this video is not adequate. I’m just an ant infront of Shaykh Hisham, and I am also an ant infront of Shaykh Adnan, but let me be frank, if you are going to post a video, make sure you understand that Shaykh Hishams explanation to Mawlana about this website and it’s contents are just as important as Mawlana’s reactions. This is video provides no answers whatsoever.

    And Haji Gibril, I tell you out of great respect, that for someone looking at this from the outside in, your response is out of line and is flat out wrong. You have no say in this issue, Shaykh Hisham should defend himself, this conflict is regarding Shaykh Adnan and Shaykh Hisham, you did not sit with Grandshaykh to earn a voice that is credible in this situation, no one wants to read 50 page essays of you disecting a letter that is meant to 100% be answered by Shaykh Hisham alone. Shaykh Hisham should not have to hide behind anyone if what he is doing is on Haqq, and the Mureeds of this tariqa deserve to hear the answers from Shaykh Hisham himself. We want there to be peace not unanswered questions, please be straight forward, that’s all we ask for.

    Was Salaam.

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11. 

    Jamaluddin, Vienna, Austria

    June 10, 2010 at 5:25 am

    Subhanallah! – This comment-section is nearly as much a surprise as is Shaykh Adnan’s Open Letter! How is it that, despite all personal sympathies and “allegiances,” so many seem to be stubbornly disinclined to listen what Shaykh Adnan has to say in this document, that certainly he must have officially publicised for a reason, don’t you think?

    With all due respect to all the “actors” in this so unfortunate drama,

    Assalaamu ‘alaikum wa rahmatullah wa barakatu,

    Jamaluddin Wolfgang Perthen, Vienna, Austria

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12. 

    Abdul Qahhar

    June 10, 2010 at 10:51 am

    Audhu Billahi Min al-Shaytan al-Rajim
    BismillahirRahmanirRahim
    Medet.

    To Hani and all those who are saying that Hisham has “met the challenge” and that Mawlana is supporting him. Are you proud of your “Hero” for lying to Mawlana’s face. Who can honestly believe that NurMuhammad brings 10-15 people to Islam every day. Come on. That means that every year, almost 4,000 people are accepting Islam because of that garbage website. Are you serious?

    Your Master is so brazen as to lie to the face of the Sultan al-Awliya about the facts of this matter. Perhaps you should reconsider whose head Mawlana is saying to shit on.

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13. 

    Garbage Hani Garbage

    June 10, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    audhu bil-Lahi min ash-shaytan ar-RAJEEM

    Bismillah hir-Rahman ir-Raheem [786]

    was-Salaat was-Salaam ‘ala RasulAllah! [92]

    Destur ya Sayyidi Medet.

    On here you are going by AbdulQahhar. Elsewhere you go by defender of Haqq. To me you will always be my lil ol’ Mr. Courageously Anonymous Osmanli Lion. RAAAR!!!!

    Excuse me. Pardon my manners. Before you took offense to the use of “Mr” so let me remind you that it is shortened for MASTER.

    You are my MASTER Courageously Anonymous Osmanli Lion. MashAllah!

    Yes, I am Garbage Hani Garbage Khara Khara Khara.

    as-Salaamu ‘alaykum!

    That’s all I gotta say!

    Bye!

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14. 

    Abdul Qahhar

    June 10, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    Thanks Hani!

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15. 

    Nureddin

    June 10, 2010 at 2:55 pm

    Bismillahi Rahmani Rahim

    As salam alaikum

    Shaykh Hisham was not fair at all, to say the least, in his description of nurmuhammad. Let the people who love him and follow his sohbets answer honestly this:

    1. Nurmuhammad does not talk about sufism? He said that.
    2. Nurmuhammad is about culture??? He said that.
    3. Nurmuhammad brings 10 or 15 people to give shahadah daily? Unbelievable. Shaykh Hisham is known anyway for his exaggerations. This is a clear one.
    3. Nurmuhammad contents are only about numerology (oh, and ‘culture’)?
    4. Do Nurmuhammad’s contents are about the kind of things that Imam Ghazzali or other scholars writing about the science of numerology have written in the past? Realy?? Did they write about the simbology of the star of David or about the enneagram?

    As for Nurmuhammad bringing muslims to be good muslims, well I guess we should ask first what a good muslim is. Someone obsessed with kabbalah kind of teachings and all that stuff there is not easy to be imagines as someone keeping even the small part of those things wich have been spoken about by shuyukh in the past in proper balance. Shaykh Maulana has a name that applies to all of it for us common murids: MALAYANI.

    Shaykh Hisham was very astute, let’s say it clear. Knowing that Shaykh Maulana’s heart is good for him, and knowing that Shaykh Maulana does not around looking at internet webpages, knowing that Shaykh Maulana if he hears someone saying something he has no reason to be suspicious of the facts being reported as facts, knowing all that he started praising Maulana (qs) and he started reminding by phone of the good service that he is doing with the books of sufilive series, and then, having prepared the ground, he starts mentioning the many websites, sufilive (known by Maulana, of course) and just at the end, after all that, he introduces Nurmuhammad.

    And he does it by exaggerating, misrepresenting it, not mentioning relevant issues, not mentioning also that it was his brother’s letter the very same reason why he was speaking now about it, letting Shaykh Maulana think that it was some foolish people, may be from outside tariqa, may be even wahabies, the ones criticising Shaykh Hisham, speaking the single word of buddhism (knowing the Shaykh Maulana would laugh by merely thinking that someone is associating such good work -as misrepresented- with buddhism).

    So he received the answer appropiate indeed for such situation … if such situation, so well misrepresented by Shaykh Hisham, were indeed true.

    But let’s not forget also that he was asking Maulana’s blessings for that website … wich Shaykh Maulana did not say.

    I wonder how can we appreciate such behaviour when we think that he would knew that, if all things would result as calculated, by hiding the name of his brother in this issue his brother would be silenced.

    Not only that, when he got Maulana’s answer, Shaykh Hisham starting crying of happiness and laughing aloud many times (did he not thinks that it could be also a very embarassing situation for his very same brother?).

    He even said: let him X heart it, let him X hear it (seeking that Maulana repeats his condemnation, for even more joy for Shaykh Hisham, I guess). Maulana did not repeat it, he just said; he is here. Agains, after hearing that, Shaykh Hisham insisted, Maulana did not do it.

    Shameful situation for the one behaving in such a way.

    If he behave on such a way against his brother, well I dont0 know what else I can say.

    I wonder now what will Shaykh Adnan do about it. He has the right to make things clear. But I also indeed wonder why Shaykh Adnan said that Maulana told him to go for shutting down nurmuhammad. Did Maulana said it mentioning that website by name? It does not seem so. But his letter made people reading it to think so. He owes an explanation to all the people in tariqa. If he decided to went public, he should also clarify.

    And I guess Shaykh Hisham should be ready if his brother wants to defend his rights so astutely overpassed.

    Salams

    Nureddin

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16. 

    Garbage Hani Garbage

    June 10, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    My Master:

    Afwan! (:-)

    Eternity Eternity Eternity…

    http://www.sufilive.com/Salawaat_and_Eternity_Song-2119.html

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17. 

    Adab

    June 10, 2010 at 6:57 pm

    Salaam Alaikum,

    Brothers, please keep adab. Mawlana Sultan ul Awliya calls even children Shaykh. Shaykh Adnan stated in his letter numerous times that Shaykh Hisham loves Grandshaykh, and he isn’t someone we should be treating with disrespect. we just respectfully disagree with his methods and practices. Love who Mawlana loves, don’t bring blame upon yourselves because you are upset/angry with Shaykh Hisham.

    The problem is the people around Shaykh Hisham. Where do you think he gets the info that 1000 people visit that website? Where do you think he gets all of his exaggerated information?

    Out of love for Mawlana, Shaykh Hisham, Shaykh Adnan, I must be honest. I’ve sat amongst Shaykh Hisham many times,in his personal home, and I know the ones who feed him garbage. I witnessed with my own eyes this man tell Shaykh Hisham that Sh Hamza Yusuf said mawlid was wrong, from this mans mouth Shaykh Hisham went up to the podium and embarrassed himself infront of hundreds of people,by calling out Sh Hamza Yusuf. Sh Hamza Yusuf never said anything like that, and he accused him infront of hundreds of people of this. You think he would have said something if he knew he didn’t say that? Allah shows you these things to show who are the ones doing wrong. Garbage people cause garbage problems, Shaykh Hisham may be wrong here, but a lot of fitnah since day one has been caused by his “crew.”

    Shaykh Hisham does not use a computer either,none of these Shaykhs do. he lets his computer man take care of that. You do the math. It’s bad enough these conversations are happening through random medians such as this. It’s sad, because Shaykh Hisham is a lot smarter then this, he doesn’t need to be affiliated with garbage people who are only out for themselves. He gives these people free room and food, they take advantage of him then they cause fitnah. Photoshopped pictures of Sh AK and such are 100% from these people, I know them personally and I have sat amongst them for many many years. Don’t think that all is as it seems, in reality this situation is a lot more complicated then we can see with our own eyes.

    Walaikum Salaam

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      Naqsh4life

      June 10, 2010 at 8:15 pm

      Adab,

      Jazak’Allah Khair for you response, you are absolutely correct that we all need to align ourselves to adab, after all we all are Salikeens on this path trying to bring ourselves and others from these very diseases of the hearts – i.e. hate, rancor, argumentation and etc…

      As to your point in regards to Shaykh Hisham not knowing Shaykh Hamza’s position on Mawlid, I tend to disagree on that a little bit…I also have spent lot of time with Shaykh Hisham and also with Shaykh Hamza, back in 2007 I was present at a Mawlid gathering in Oakland, CA where Shaykh Hisham spoke and amongst the audience there was a brother by the name of Aftab Malik who represented Shaykh Hamza/Zaytuna (back then he was the CEO of Zaytuna). After the speech front of everyone he came up to Shaykh Hisham and presented Shaykh Hamza’s salaams to him and told him the hopes of amending relationships between the two parties. For some reason Br.Aftab Malik was told to talk to one of the close students of Shaykh Hisham instead. This brother (the student of Shaykh Hisham and his video guy apparently) kept arguing with Br.Aftab that Shaykh Hamza hates our Shaykh and he rejects his taeching, and attacks him publicly and etc…obviously if anyone on this forum knows about Shaykh Hamza knows that’s not true. Br.Aftab kept telling the brother to show him the proof of that and he kept telling him that he is here to resolve unnecessary disputes not to debate who did what. Despite of Br.Aftab Malik trying so hard he got brushed aside by the students of Shaykh Hisham. So I believe all thought Shaykh Hisham is busy with much more bigger things and efforts then to engage himself in the polemics debates and petty differences, he also to some extent knows what are the stance of figures like Shaykh Hamza on Mawlid and also his stance on Sufism as a whole.

      My point is that all though the students may be held responsible for these sorts of cold wars between our beloved Shayookh but rejecting someone who is there to build bridges is unacceptable, as it’s a fundemental piller in the path of Salook.

      was salaam

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      Nureddin

      June 10, 2010 at 11:55 pm

      Bismillahi Rahmani Rahim

      As salam alaikum

      One murid not long ago wrote a letter to the personal email of S Hisham, and he answered attacking and ridiculing him next day in his sohbet. So, leave that fantasy world aside. S Hisham reads internet. Among all khaliphas in tariqa, he made his specialty to appear on internet. He had to close down all his websites for a while, under Maulana’s orders, due to the problems that he was making precisely through his management of his websites.

      S Hisham defended Nurmuhammad. He knew pretty well the acusations regarding that website, let’s not forget that, and even so, he defended it misrepresenting and lying about its contents. Is that acceptable for him?

      S Hisham spoke derogatory words and lies about Sheykh Abdul Kerim, not once but many times. He may have received information from bad sources and low people around him accusing and slandering Sheykh Abdul Kerim Effedi, but he decided to accept it and he also spoke insulting and slandering publicly. That doesn’t sound to me like “The problem is the people around Shaykh Hisham”, at least that is not the only problem there.

      Shaykh Hisham finally publicly lied to Sultan al Awliya (qs) and rejoiced at something that he knew was going to be very very embarassing for his brother.

      That does not sound right at all to me. Let’s not be naive.

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      Garbage Hani Garbage

      June 11, 2010 at 12:31 am

      Bismillah hir-Rahman ir-Raheem

      Brother or Sister Adab:
      as-Salaamu ‘alaykum!

      Sayyidi Shaykh Hisham knows full well about Shaykh Hamza Yusuf (hafizahullah) and his stances on critical issues. You can be assured he loves him very very much.

      If you saw something from long ago in the past and interpreted it another way then it is your interpretation. Maybe your understanding of it was not correct and complete? Did you consider that before writing? Please don’t respond to this question in public. If you want you can privately email me your response. Yursil has my addy.

      Here you will see our own Shaykh Yassir Chadly celebrating a Mawlid with Shaykh Hamza and Habib ‘Ali at Zaytuna a few years ago:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW4nVTZ8qQs

      Cheers,
      Garbage Hani Garbage

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      • 

        Abdul Qahhar

        June 11, 2010 at 10:18 am

        Audhu Billahi Min al-Shaytan al-Rajim
        BismillahirRahmanirRahim
        Medet.

        That’s really sweet Hani! But here’s what your Master said on May 3rd.

        “On 7 January 1999, I went to the US State Department in Washington, DC to give a speech in a public forum on the threat against the United States. I stated in my speech the danger coming from some violent people. I am not going to go through all of that now, but eight national organizations boycotted us, saying we are only saying this for some personal gain. When I looked at who had signed (the boycott declaration), I saw that one of them, his first name begins with H and his last name begins with Y, and I was surprised.
        So I sent him a message, “Why did you say that? Did you know the truth before making the judgment?” He didn’t answer. Some of our students at UC, Berkeley, who go to his classes, questioned him.
        He said, “I didn’t sign it, they forged my signature.”
        They said, “Make it public,” and he said, “No.”

        Inna Allaha yudaafi`u ani ‘Lladheena aamanoo, Allah defends those who believe in Him. Those who are right said the truth. I said it out of fact. Good people began to contact friends of his. Abdul Hakim Murad sent him a letter, saying, “You need to say publicly that you did not sign it. We, Ahlu ‘s-Sunnah wa’l-Jama`ah, are being attacked. Shaykh Hisham is standing alone, being attacked.” He didn’t do that publicly.

        Some of his students saw him when they came to Madinah, and in front of Prophet (s) they said, “I want to ask you a question, did you sign that condemnation or not?”
        He said, “No, they forged my signature.”
        They said, “Then say it publicly.”
        He said, “No.”"

        http://media.islamicsupremecouncil.org/Why_the_Shaykh_Does_Not_Complain-2403-print.html

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        • 

          Hani

          June 11, 2010 at 3:32 pm

          SubhanAllah! Thank you for sharing this AbdulQahhar. I hadn’t read it yet. Wallahi.

          MashAllah I am speechless…

          This just goes to show me even more how much love Mawlana Shaykh Hisham has for Shaykh Hamza Yusuf!

          SubhanAllah!!!

          Thank you again. I really had not read this suhba yet and probably never would have. I still have to read it from beginning to end. There are just so many of them it is impossible to keep up. Astaghfirullah. Thank you.

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        Naqsh4life

        June 11, 2010 at 2:47 pm

        Walaikum As’salaam Br.Hani,

        Then why did Br.Aftab Malik front of my eyes and hundreds of others got brushed aside my Shaykh Hisham and his students? When Br.Aftab was bringing message of love, peace and reconciliation? By the way Shaykh Yassir Chadly was at that Mawlid too, as for the video you posted, that is from back in 2003, the incident I quoted is from back 2007.

        Shaykh Hamza is one of the very few Shayookhs I have consistently seen that never backbites or even mentions anyone’s name negatively in public or in private. So there is no need for coming out and clarifying matters on whether he signed the document or not. His character says it all.

        was salaam

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          Hani

          June 11, 2010 at 3:37 pm

          Brother (or Sister) Naqsh4Life:
          as-Salaamu ‘alaykum,

          Why ask why? If you are really a Naqsh4Life then you should know by now that asking why takes us nowhere.

          Are you really Naqshbandi???

          Are you?

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          • 

            Naqsh4life

            June 11, 2010 at 5:12 pm

            Walaikum As’salaam Br.Hani,

            Look honestly, I don’t have to prove anything to you. But before you jump the gun, yes I am Naqshbandi (Alhumdullilah suma Alhumdullilah). For details you can email me directly (ask Br.Yursil for my email address) and I will be more than happy to tell you my nisbat.

            I was just responding to your statement that had nothing to do with my initial post. Khair anyways, let’s practice adab with each other which is the first and foremost pillar in the path of salook.

            was salaam.
18. 

    Anonymous

    June 11, 2010 at 8:43 am

    Dom .. Dom .. Dom …Dom

    The Sultan asks his two auliya to test all the kids …
    The Sultan pretends to not know anything
    and the two auliya pretend playing a drama for this test..

    The Sultan said
    lets see who still uses the ego
    lets see how they use their adab

    Dom .. dom .. dom ..dom ..

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      Abdul Qahhar

      June 11, 2010 at 10:13 am

      Audhu Billahi Min al-Shaytan al-Rajim
      BismillahirRahmanirRahim
      Medet.

      Subhan’Allah, you know the intentions of Mawlana Shaykh Nazim?

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      Latifa

      June 12, 2010 at 10:09 pm

      amin, shaykh/shaykha, amin. Enough, halas, basta, finito, silence.

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      • 

        Latifa

        June 12, 2010 at 10:10 pm

        This reply was to Anonymous.

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19. 

    Adab

    June 11, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    When I was speaking about Shaykh Hamza Yusuf, I was mentioning that someone in Shaykh Hishams circle gave him false information about Sh Hamza Yusuf’s stance on Mawlid. someone told Shaykh Hisham that Shaykh Hamza Yusuf said “you can celebrate Mawlid on every day except the 12th of Rabi’ Al-awwal.” Shaykh Hisham was told “look it up on the internet” So he told all the people about it and said “look it up on the internet.”
    There was nothing to be found on the internet regarding this stance.

    My point is that someone within Shaykh Hishams circle feeds him garbage. the antics you see presented, Shaykh Hamza Yusuf’s stance is not really what I’m trying to highlight, I’m highlighting false information from those who Shaykh Hisham trusts.

    Every circle of Haqq has someone in it trying to cause fitnah between people, even Sahaba had that. There are people who Shaykh Hisham trusts who he should not trust, Alhamdullilah, Shaykh Hisham has always been generous and kind, so these antics I see are not what I have seen of him personally. Maybe I am wrong, but I have seen this more then once. I believe this is where a great deal of the problem lies, with these cronies that Shaykh Hisham has around him.

    Why is Shaykh Adnan getting death threats from these cronies? Who in Tariqa thinks it’s okay to threaten to kill someone, especially someone of Shaykh Adnan’s station? I don’t know what drugs these people are on, or where they learned it was okay to behave in such a way. It’s unfortunate that the times I’ve sat with Shaykh Hisham i’ve learned adab and a lot of good things, but some of the people who are closest to him have yet to learn anything of this.

    Those who have yet to meet Shaykh Hisham and assume the worst of him, please do not do that. Those who are cursing Shaykh Adnan, or worse, please do not do that either. The ones who Mawlana will support are the ones with love in there hearts. We want to be able to go to these beacons of light Mawlana has infused them with, and we want to be able to take from this light. I know there are those who love there Shaykh and are upset that Michigan can be so childish, but remember there is someone else there who is the one who controls all the computer information, all the emails, all the video postings, all the photoshopped pictures. You think Shaykh Hisham knows how to use Photoshop?

    I know many people, big and small who have had there “run in” with Shaykh Hisham, every time I hear these stories I can see not only lack of communication, but some people causing fitnah in between. That is why in Shariah if there is an issue you go personally and deal with it one on one, none of this internet posting garbage, it’s not going to solve anything at anytime in anyplace ever. Unfortunately we are just specs in this situation, and it’s hard to see such glaring issues and not be able to do anything about it other then post on message boards. Jazak’Allah khair brothers.

    Ali (R.A.) said “everytime I argue with a fool, I lose.”

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    Adab

    June 11, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    And the reason we hear comments such as the ones where Shaykh Hisham has said very harsh things about Shaykh Abdul Kerim etc, is because the people who he is around KNOW how to push his button, and Shaykh Hisham isn’t perfect, he shoots from the hip that’s just who he is. His people cause him to lose credibility. If Shaykh Hishams people weren’t so awful I would tell him, but it’s not something that I want to deal with.

    Brother Nureddin, he may see things on the internet, but I can tell you he does not edit his own videos, or his own Sohbets. People start recording what he says AFTER someone else has told him something, or asked him a question to make him shoot from the hip. I’ve seen it many times including the one at the Mawlid in Chaandi Restaurant in Fremont California where Shaykh Hisham was fed lies and he went up and publically spoke about those lies. It was sad to see such a thing. credibility is not something that is given lightly, and when you lose it, it’s gone forever.

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    yursil

    June 11, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    I agree with Adab on a lot of the stuff he’s said.

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22. 

    Kharra 'Alayhum

    June 11, 2010 at 7:37 pm

    In response to Nureddin’s question:

    “Do Nurmuhammad’s contents are about the kind of things that Imam Ghazzali or other scholars writing about the science of numerology have written in the past? Realy?? Did they write about the simbology of the star of David or about the enneagram?”

    Yes. This certainly proves the level of your understanding of the Masters in the Naqshbandi Golden Chain and your ignorance of Imam Ghazzali and Muhyiddin ibn Arabi who are well known for their teachings of the hikmah in abjad and huroof (not to mention your ignorance of Mawlana Shaykh Nazim’s own teachings of numbers and letters in the past that are no different than what is on nurmuhammad website. Do you still reject? Alhamdulillah, this way you are promoting http://WWW.NURMUHAMMAD.COM more and more.

    Alhamdulillah, through Shaykh Adnan and Shaykh Hisham, many people who haven’t heard of this amazing website before are now hooked on it too because of their curiosity and they are now busying themselves with muraqabah, learning about the life of Ahlul Bayt, learning the secret teachings passed through our masters that are not easily accessible anywhere else, and they are now aware that every letter in the Arabic alphabet corresponds to a number/code that opens up different/new knowledges in the heart through contemplation.

    If you are new to tariqah and you don’t believe in all of this, go read all of Mawlana Shaykh Nazim’s sohbah’s relating to numerology and his meditation lectures that he gave to westerners in the past several years (speaking to them according to their levels in a manner that softens their hearts to Sufism, not scare them with a load of Islamic obligations on the first day.)

    And concerning the Enneagram: Go research Gurdjieff’s meeting with our OWN Grandshaykh, Shaykh Daghastani. Read the life story of Shaykh Abdullah al Faiz ad Daghastani and find out how the enneagram was started in the first place. Something to think about….

    But of course, some of you will still try to find some kind of excuse to reject the truth. Therefore, in Mawlana’s own words to you: “Kharra ‘alayhum!”

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    Kharra 'Alayhum

    June 13, 2010 at 4:32 am

    786

    Also, you guys claim to be lovers of the Ottomans but you have once again displayed your ignorance of what you follow.

    Have you ever looked carefully inside the mosques that were built by the Ottomans? I assume you haven’t. If you do one day, you will be surprised to see tons of carvings of the “Star of David” inside those mosques including on the mihraabs. Here is only one example of it:

    http://www.superpoligon.com/foto/albums/userpics/10765/davut_yildizi.jpg

    For the Ottomans, the “Star of David” was used as a symbol for power. In Turkish it was called “Mührü Davut” or “Mührü Süleyman”(“the seal of David” or “the seal of Soloman”).

    What a disgrace to use the statement, “Biz Osmanliyiz, Pek Shanliyiz” (We are Ottomans and we have honour) when you don’t even know anything about such a glorious empire!

    We are Turkish and we proudly follow Mawlana Shaykh Hisham Kabbani because he does not fear to speak out the TRUTH. Thus, the title given to him by Sultanul Awliya himself–MADAD UL HAQQ!

    Salaams,

    (Nasiba bint Kaab and Aisha bint Ebubakr)

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    yursil

    June 13, 2010 at 9:38 am

    BismillahirRahmanirRahim
    Alaykumsalam,

    I’m well aware of the use of the symbol in Ottoman masjids. Discussing occult meanings of it as a means to excite peoples imaginations is a separate issue completely..

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      Garbage Hani Garbage

      June 13, 2010 at 10:06 am

      Yursil, you are now on record as going against Mawlana’s Support for NURMUHAMMAD.COM (SAWS!)

      You are now on record.

      It would have been better for you to say, “I don’t know. Why do I need to say anything? Let me just keep my mouth shut.”

      But you keep talking and talking…

      And so soon, so will I…response coming to your lies and slander against NURMUHAMMAD.COM (SAWS!)

      Consider it my defense of Mawlana Shaykh Nazim against you.

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25. 

    Kharra 'Alayhum

    June 13, 2010 at 12:04 pm

    wa alaykum salaam,

    So was Shaykh Abdullah Daghestani exciting people’s imaginations when he was revealing the reality of the Enneagram (also known as the image of the star) to Gurdieff, which holds the secret of the nine points?

    And are you also implying that the Ottomans were stupid and ignorant of this reality that the only reason for displaying this symbol everywhere was because they thought it looked cute? A definite insult to the “PEK ŞANLI” empire! Really, there’s no more reason left to discuss about this matter. Please go to the Sultan directly and ask him if you are not sure, for we are 100% sure it is HAQQ!

    Salaams!

    ————————————————————————–

    http://www.nurmuhammad.com/HeartLevels/LataifGalb/gsdagestanion9points.htm

    “As soon as they (Gurdjieff and Shaykh Abdullah) met, Shaykh `Abdullah said, “You are interested in the knowledge of the Nine Points. We can speak on it in the morning after Fajr prayer. Now you eat something and rest.” At Fajr time Shaykh `Abdullah called Gurdjieff to come and pray with him. As soon as the prayer finished, the Shaykh began to recite Surat Ya Sin from the Holy Qur’an. As he finished reading, Gurdjieff approached him and asked if he could speak of what he had just experienced. Gurdjieff said:

    “As soon as you finished the prayer and began to recite, I saw you come to me and take my hand and we were transported to a beautiful rose garden. You told me that this garden is your garden and these roses are your murids, each with his own color and perfume. You directed me to one particular red rose and said, ‘That one is yours. Go smell it.’ As I did, I saw the rose open and I disappeared within it and became the rose. I entered its roots and they led me to your presence. I found myself entering into your heart and becoming a part of you.

    “Through your spiritual power I was able to ascend to the knowledge of the power of the Nine Points. Then a voice, addressing me as `Abd an-Nur, said: ‘This light and knowledge have been granted to you from the Divine Presence of Allah to bring peace to your heart. However, you must not use the power of this knowledge.’ The voice bid me farewell with the salutation of Peace and the vision ended as you were finishing the recitation from the Qur’an.”

    Shaykh `Abdullah replied,

    “Surat Ya Sin was called ‘the Heart of the Qur’an’ by the Holy Prophet and the knowledge of these Nine Points was opened to you through it. The vision was by the blessings of the verse: ‘Peace! a Word (of salutation) from a Lord Most Merciful’ [36:58].

    “Each of the Nine Points is represented by one of nine Saints who are at the Highest Level in the Divine Presence. They are the keys to the untold powers within man, but there is no permission to use these keys. This is a secret that in general will not be opened until the Last Days when the Mahdi (as) appears and Jesus (as) returns.

    “This meeting of ours has been blessed. Keep it as a secret in your heart and don’t speak of it in this life. `Abd an-Nur, for that is your name with us, you are free to stay or go as your responsibilities allow. You are always welcome with us. You have attained safety in the Divine Presence. May Allah bless you and strengthen you in your work.”

    taken from the Naqshbandi Guidebook

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      yursil

      June 13, 2010 at 5:51 pm

      I mean, really?

      “This meeting of ours has been blessed. Keep it as a secret in your heart and don’t speak of it in this life.”

      Which part of this did Gurdjieff and those who spread his teachings not understand? This stuff doesnt make sense even in your own narrative. Yes a lot of imaginations have been excited. Causes you to ignore the orders of Grandshaykh and consider it A-OK!

      When will Maulana open this secret in sohbet?

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26. 

    Nureddin

    June 13, 2010 at 3:18 pm

    Bismillahi Rahmani Rahim

    As salam alaikum

    “Do Nurmuhammad’s contents are about the kind of things that Imam Ghazzali or other scholars writing about the science of numerology have written in the past? Realy?? Did they write about the simbology of the star of David or about the enneagram?”

    That phrase, in its first sentence (look carefully: ‘scholar writing about the science of numerology’ or, better written, ‘scholar’s writings about …’), acknowledges that ilm al huroof and abjad are part of some knowledges that one can find in masters of tasawwuf.

    Read and do not misread me at least, even if you want to insult me (to which I am not answering):

    “… the small part of those things wich have been spoken about by shuyukh…”

    So the first accusation has no basis (as a side note, how much you make a common word and take out of any adab and proportion just some spontaneous words from our Sultan regarding a subject that you master lied him about!).

    Regarding the quote supposedly about the “enneagram”, I read that before in the book that you are talking about (wich was written by S Hisham, not by Maulana).

    But I wonder if you really read it : )

    Read that carefully again: Grandshaykh Abdullah -qs-, according to the same author of that book, is reported to have said:

    “This is a secret that in general will not be opened until the Last Days when the Mahdi (as) appears and Jesus (as) returns … don’t speak of it in this life.”

    You obey that.

    You don’t find in that book a single explanation of the nine points (just ‘nine points’, ok, BTW not “enneagram”, there may be a huge difference in between both things, as there is a world of difference between the lataif and the buddhist-hindu chakras -again, one word that nurmuhammad likes a lot).

    Certainly you don’t even find at all in that book -which is reportedly quoting from Shaykh Abdullah (qs)- the ballony and imaginations and theories and words of nurmuhammad about the enneagram.

    Also, you do not find those imaginations and illusions about the whole ‘ennegram’ stuff in Maulana Shaykh Nazim’s sohbets, not even in the books ones published by your master or in the sohbets that you are refering to (which for your information I have read).

    Do you know in fact where you can find the ground and sources of Nurjan’s explanations? In a lot of writing of … New Age. Yes, non muslim writing and phantasies. Illusions and dellusions from new agers, nothing else.

    But here we go with Nurjan -openly supported by S Hisham- making of it a big point of his webpage, talking also about chakras, fantasising about rabitah techniques with positions of the body and the fingers that are NOT taught AT ALL by Maulana Shaykh Nazim, not eben in the sohbets that you are referring about (but in fact, you may find that kind of stuff in hinduism and buddhism).

    If you don’t believe me that all such stuff is not from our tariqa … hear someone who openly said: ‘It is not’ … someone you supposedly appreciate, S Adnan.

    As for the star of David, Yursil already answered you.

    For all this issue, I like this phrase: “Discussing occult meanings … as a means to excite peoples imaginations is a separate issue completely”

    Yes, it is nothing but MALAYANI and, when we are talking about copying hinduism and buddhism, it is TOTALLY REJECTED.

    S Hisham said in one of his sohbets, some years ago: for the last twenty five years Shaykh Maulana is not speaking anymore about high level asrar (yet he goes on again and again bringing issues to people totally underserving of it, unlike his and our wisest Sultan).

    Don’t enter into that. Not to talk about the phanteasies and deviant things of nurmuhammad, just about even the real teachings transmitted about it. Follow the way of our Sultan.

    And regarding: “… not scare them with a load of Islamic obligations on the first day” puting this and the malayani and deviant talk as the only two options at hand … well it is not so alhamdulillah.

    People are coming to Islam in the osmanli nakshibendi hakkani dergahs and we do not load on them everything at once as wahabies do, nor we cheat them by introducing deviant hindu-buddhist-imagined stuff as Islam.

    We just try to keep things in its proper balance insha’Allah.

    Speaking to defend truth. I never read the word ‘zionist’ or a condemnation of capitalism, or condemning the barbarities against muslims in the words of the person you credit by calling him a fearless defender of Truth. If it is there somewhere, it is so masterfully hidden that its effect is anyway as if he never speaks about that.

    Salams

    Nureddin

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    Kharra 'Alayhum

    June 13, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    waiting for my previous comment to be approved……

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    anon

    June 13, 2010 at 4:12 pm

    About 3yrs ago i sat at an event organised by the Sufi Muslim Council of Britain. I heard and saw SH for the first 5-10 mins, praising the teachings and lifestyle of Hindus and Buddhist’s, saying how he envied them because they were ‘peaceful’ people…That same year the BJP in India burnied alive a whole village of Muslim men women and children, showing no mercy as they poured petrol over them and left them to die in agony, only days later where their charred remains discovered!!!!

    Peaceful SH?
    What exactly does he envy??

    Time for Sleeping Lions to awaken InshaALLAH!

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29. 

    Kharra 'Alayhum

    June 13, 2010 at 4:29 pm

    blah blah blah…

    Nureddin, you’re acting all high and mighty, but I challenge you to say these things about Shaykh Hisham and Shaykh Nurjan directly to Shaykh Nazim.

    I’m seriously waiting to see a video of you asking Shaykh Nazim about the wisdom of the “Muhru Davood” (star of David) and of you slandering the Qutbul Mutesarrif who is also Madad ul-Haqq (Supporter of Truth)

    I can’t wait to see you getting smacked on the head by the holy hand of Sultanul Awliya. A nice “OSMANI TOKATI” would do good for a character of yours.

    We’re waiting Nureddin, we’re waiting. If you are man enough you’ll do it.
    You’re so positive of the things you claim? Then prove it to us!

    This is a serious challenge. Mawlana Shaykh Hisham has already done his part and asked Sultanul Awliya in public.

    Now its the attackers turn.

    (Nasiba bint Kaab)

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30. 

    Nureddin

    June 13, 2010 at 7:44 pm

    Bismillahi Rahmani Rahim

    As salam alaikum

    “blah blah blah”? Is that your answers to concrete issues pointed as answer to you?

    Bullying is your answer?

    Shaykh Hisham is not the Qutb al Mutasarrif:

    “Mar 11, 2010, in his sohbet titled, “Times Are Changing” Mawlana Shaykh Nazim declared, “Now tonight a new appointment for a new one who has been appointed to be Qutb ul Mutassarif on this planet…” See, http://www.sufilive.com/Times_Are_Changing-2283.html

    The entire sohbet is saved on their website, dont they read Mawlana’s sohbets? It is a lie to claim Hisham Kabbani is Qutb al-Mutasarrif, according to Mawlana’s own words on Mar 11, 2010.

    The sohbet transcript in Turkish about the appointment of a new Qutb al-Mutasarrif can be found at, http://www.sufilive.com/print.cfm?id=2283&lc=TR”

    (I am quotting from another brother who commented this on

    http://defendingthetruth.wordpress.com/2010/06/09/more-pathetic-actions-from-the-pathetic-hisham/#comments)

    I wonder now what you will say about it.

    KA, I wrote before to S Hisham, attaching my full details, phone and picture, using adab and not giving any insult at all. Beyond that it is not up to you to know and you are not an authority upon me.

    Let me remind you, just in case you did not read, the following words from someone you say you appreciate -I know you also think of this person as Qutb, let me remind you of that, too-, in a previous open letter dated May 29, 2010 (that is, Shaykh Hisham’s brother):

    “Mr. Nurjan …..How can you say that above this rank there are ranks and the heart with all its maqams are the door of nine points that does not exist in Islam and is an amalgamation from Judaism, Hinduism and Buddhism which precede Islam. How can you say they are taking that knowledge from Islam? … repent to Allah and correct your knowledge otherwise you are Hippocrates and you are bringing kufur in-between the new and naive murids in USA, Indonesia, Malaysia’ Singapore, Europe and all Islamic world just to make the Zionist and Kuffar happy with you.”

    You know your master did not mention any of the real critics to Nurmuhammad in his phone call.

    Now you know that your master is not the Qutb you think he is (unless, due to Shaykh Maulana’s joke about that title recently, you may think that such a most heavenly or divine appointment could be done in between jokes and laughs, in a moment of fun just btw, undoing what was done regarding that position just days before -what a twisted minds; for your info, S Adnan’s son also obviously thinks that such a call was just a friendly joke. Come one, take a look at Mawlana’s own words on Mar 11, 2010. You write your khaliphah to explain you these words if you can).

    Ottomans, as far as I know, did not support mixing hindu and buddhist things in Islam. Be an ottoman. Be strong against the enemies of Islam.

    After this, I will not answer anyone about this nurmuhammad issue.

    Salams

    Nureddin

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31. 

    ajansa

    June 14, 2010 at 1:44 am

    Assalamu aleykum,Dear Saltanat Viewers,Today after Fajr prayer, Mawlana gave a very important Turkish Sohbat about the value of the Khalwat in Rajab, and the maqams of Sh. Adnan Hz. and Sh. Mohamed Hz. (Mawlana’s son) who are now both making this Khalwat. We will broadcast this Sohbat today at noon,12:00 pm, Cyprus tim…e….Mawlana ordered this Sohbat to be translated and rebroadcast, so at 9:30 pm , Inshallah, an English-subtitled video of this Sohbat will be BroadcastSee MoreSaltanat > Introduction http://www.saltanat.org

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32. 

    Kharra 'Alayhum

    June 14, 2010 at 2:07 am

    So I guess you’re not up for the challenge. I agree, its a tough one to handle. A quick reminder:

    Mawlana Shaykh Hisham: These are some people Sayyidi, always cursing us, claiming that this website is not Naqshbandi Tariqah, that it is Buddhist. (Shaykh Nazim laughs). They claim different sizes and colors, many things.

    Mawlana Shaykh Nazim : Hisham Efendi.

    Mawlana Shaykh Hisham :Yes Sayyidi?

    Mawlana Shaykh Nazim : Kharra Alayhum! “Shit on them!” That is what they need, towbe astaghfirullah.

    Whether Shaykh Hisham told him everything about the website or not, you think the Sultanul Awliya does not know! Say all you want! Our answers to you is Kharra ‘Alaykum! May Allah forgive you and all of us.

    salaam

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    Adab

    June 14, 2010 at 5:33 am

    Anyone who thinks Shaykh Hisham will be the next shaykh in the golden chain is assuming something that has never been mentioned.

    Now it’s foolish to discuss maqams of shaykhs, this is just ignorant. We are just specs next to these people. even if we have issues, theres no reason to bring up maqam.

    This is a lesson to all those who forget who our shaykh is. It does not matter if Shaykh Hisham, Shaykh Adnan, or whoever will be the next. All of us has a living Shaykh, in Mawlana sultanul awliyah. I have been told by even senior members of our tariqa to take baya with Shaykh Hisham after I took it with Mawlana, like it was neccesary. This is ridiculous. You can’t swallow everything that is fed to you. Shaykh Hisham, Shaykh Abdul Kerim, Shaykh Adnan, whoever else, none of these are Mawlana Shaykh Nazim, and none of them even compare, and they themselves will agree.

    Anyone who thinks there shaykh is not Mawlana Shaykh Nazim, but one of his caliphas, is fooling himself. Anyone who refers to Caliphas of Mawlana as Mawlana, don’t know there heads from there backsides. Those who think Shaykh Nazim is too high, and so you assume one of the caliphas is your shaykh (Which is something that Nurjan has spoken about), you are not only fooling yourself but selling yourself short. All of these Shaykhs are placeholders for Mawlana, Masha’Allah they are great placeholders, and they are to be respected, and knowledge and baraka is to be taken from them, but everyones maqam disappears infront of Mawlana.

    I have a great deal of love for this tariqa and every murid, the groupism has to stop. We are murids of Mawlana Shaykh Nazim, and everything else just doesn’t matter. The issues we have now are all just distractions, remember your SHAYKH, not his placeholder. This is not only the teachings of Naqshbandi Tariqa, this is the teachings of all of Tassawuff. You think anyone in there right mind during the time of Shaykh Abdul Qadir Jilani (Q.S), Ghawthul Azam, would only take from one of his caliphas, even then when it took days and weeks to travel from one place to another? Now we won’t go sit on a plane for 8 hours to recieve baraka from a geyser, who pours nur from his very glance at you. Mawlana Shaykh NAZIM is unmatched, and we quibble over Caliphas?

    The ones who want to accept this website, let them. The ones who do not, it’s okay. neither is a requirement of our tariqa. Mawlana’s mureeds are among the most diverse in the whole world, some will believe things others do not, this is just a part of life. Just be peaceful with each other and let the big people handle the big problems, stick to your tasbeeh and your SHAYKH what more do you need in this world?

    Look at where the world is now, you have people trying to destroy organized religion and people even among the same religion, and tariqa are arguing over air. It takes intelligence to write posts as I have been reading, but it’s unintelligent to sit there and beat a dead horse with a stick. neither the defenders or the attackers will get through to each other, this is just the way it is, since loyalties lie with different people.

    May Allah allow us to be among the students of Mawlana Shaykh Nazim, big or small. I would rather be an ant sized murid of Mawlana Shaykh Nazim then be a calipha of another shuyukh, we are all very lucky to have even the passing knowledge of Sultanul Awliyah, let alone have love for him in our hearts. May we be his true murids here, and be with him in the afterlife Insha’Allah.

    Ma Salaama

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34. 

    GARBAGE hani GARBAGE

    June 14, 2010 at 6:43 am

    audhu bil-Lahi min ash-shaytan ar-RAJEEM
    Bismillah hir-Rahman ir-Raheem

    as-Salaamu ‘alaykum!

    Some things need repeating:

    Dom .. Dom .. Dom …Dom

    The Sultan asks his two auliya to test all the kids …
    The Sultan pretends to not know anything
    and the two auliya pretend playing a drama for this test..

    The Sultan said
    lets see who still uses the ego
    lets see how they use their adab

    Dom .. dom .. dom ..dom ..

    For those with ears to hear and eyes with which to see,
    For those whose hearts are not consumed with anger, envy, pride and hate
    Mawlana’s Test on us all is oh so clear!

    For those who are still stuck in their smelly dung-infested cages:

    Consider yourselves warned!

    You prefer Shaytan’s piss in your ears to Love.

    And that’s a fact!

    Allahumma Salli ‘ala Sayyidina Muhammadin, Nabi al-Ummi, wa ‘ala Alihi wa Sahbihi wa sallim

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35. 

    Edgar

    June 14, 2010 at 6:56 pm

    “Shaykh Hisham is not the Qutb al Mutasarrif”

    I like this statement. I don’t have a monopoly on the truth, but if anything in this world is true, it is this. Definitely, he is NOT the Qutb al Mutasarrif.

    Kharra, when you write :

    “Mawlana Shaykh Nazim : Hisham Efendi.

    Mawlana Shaykh Hisham :Yes Sayyidi?”,…

    Don’t you find that due to the common titles and similar representation of designations, readers will think the two individuals are of the same quality, and station?

    It is ‘confusing’ to the many who aren’t well versed with your branch to understand the difference between Mawlana Shaykh Hisham and Mawlana Shaykh Nazim when written that way. Come to think of it, your people all refer to the Sultan ul Awliya and the deputy Sh Hisham, both as Mawlana. I remember being confused as well: when I first heard one of your people claim that all will be ok with Mawlana’s medet. I remember thinking he must mean of course the Sultan ul Awliyah, Sahib uz Zaman, Shaykh Mawlana, because we know of no one else in the Hakkani way who refers to themself as Mawlana. I’m pretty sure Shaykh Adnan doesn’t call himself Mawlana. – Anyway, it became abundantly clear as the conversation went on, that he did NOT mean Shaykh Mawlana, the Sultan ul Awliya, but was referring to Sh Hisham as Mawlana.

    Are they one and the same you think? Freely interchangeable? The representative of the Holy Prophet SAWS on this earth and his deputy? The same? same designation, same titles? What about us? Are we the same as them? Can I call myself Shaykh? Can I call a sister in our way Shaykha? Does it matter you think? If I call myself Shaykh, am I the same as Shaykh Adnan? Because he is not Mawlana, or not that I’ve ever read. I’m so confused now.

    and Hani,

    Congratulations on being so theatrical. You guys like to put on a show, I see. All with sound effects, very entertaining. however in all your showmanship and “LOVE”, you fail to acknowledge that there may be more than ‘two’ awliya belonging to Qiblatul Islam Shaykh Mawlana Sultan ul Awliyah, Shaykh Nazim al Hakkani, and that he is the tester, and may test any one of his awliya with anything and anyone.

    No? You can count me in the people who prefer Love to Shaytan’s piss in my ears though. I really don’t want that! The second one ( the Piss !) I mean. I like Love better!

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    the seeker

    June 15, 2010 at 6:14 am

    salaam and marhaba adab, thank you for the wonderful advise on your last posting.i aggree with what you write.please write in more and squash the clash of egos.let us all unite and support mawlana shaikh nazim,shaikh hisham,shaikh adnan and all khalifah appointed by our sultan.whatever the differences,put it aside and unite like one family and pray for each other.support one another.we should share some good amal .we should be squashing elements of shirk like the qaddianis,bahai,etc.lets embrace each other

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37. 

    Umar

    June 21, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    How can I contact you Sidi Gibril Haddad?

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38. 

    Abdullatif

    June 25, 2010 at 8:12 pm

    BismilahiRahmaniRahim
    First,
    first, is this letter from shaykh Adnan translated from his son, or some one wrote it by his hands because he think maybe with good intentions to “guide” people to “right” way?
    Is that letter present in sufilive or in any site under control of shaykh Adnan?
    Second,
    what are the rights that anyone have to comment, in case this letter is original? None.
    Third, i like the comment of GharbageHani.
    Forth, is always a risk that some people because mindless or problems or misunderstanding exagerate with any deputy of maulana, that happening everywhere, and is also a way in which maulana test His deputies, to see if he is going to patient or follow the nafs when people try kiss hands or call maualana or ya shaykh.
    that is all tests.
    I will not comment the letter which is claimed to be from Shaykh Adnan, as don’t regard me, whatever is true, and what is the real meant in case is true.
    Yursil.com
    should not havent permit have comment to such letter, because some person with good intentions but deaf tongue may arrive to disrespect Shaykh Hisham or Shaykh Adnan, and that is bad stuff.
    I want rememenber that shaykh Hisham has sent his sorry, in order to keep unite the tariqah, in humble way, although he is a wali and a 3alim, he is been modest and humble, and that is good, hamdulilah.
    I dont know what is Haqiqat Haqqani stuff, i am 3ashari, shaykh Hisham never claimed to be God nor that Shaykh Nazim is God.
    Nor He claimed to be a Prophet nor that Maulana is a Prophet.
    Althought be wali mean have certain connections to ALlah that others no have, and we should recognize, awliyah don’t do sins, sometime what they do when look sinfull is in order to test the murids, in order to grow them up, to educate them also.
    Once even Rasul sws were busy with important people and a baduin or one of little importance was try to talk Him, sws and He didnt gived him importance, ignorants may say that He is mistake, but we know that this is a test from Allah, and that come for people to help them, and what done Prophet Muhamad sws has a spiritual mean to educated in the end all, in the truth Muhammad sws obeded His Lord, and What done was for His Lord by Order of His Lord.
    Everything is perfect on His Mission and Words and Acts.
    Soemtime as i say, people misunderstand mashaykh and exagerate or misunderstand certain teachings, and abuse of them, that is normal, as human is weak.
    For who arrived by short time in Tariqah, may no know that Maulana Shaykh Adnan is well know is khalifa of Shaykh Nazim, as Shaykh Nazim were Khalifa of Shaykh Abdullah. q.a.
    This mean that, if one day maulana is unable to talk for He is busy or any reason, His Khalifa is Maulana Shaykh Adnan, is the most authorized one for that.
    Althought the masters of the way are 40.
    After shaykh Adnan Effendi, we know that Shaykh Hisham is one of most important and appreaaciated wakil of Maualan or khalifa’s as you preferer say, in english rappresentant, in America and in certain part of Asia.
    In same time, there was shaykh Hussain Rabbani, in Syria, which was also one of the most estiemed mashaykh by shaykh Nazim, and other khalifa of Shaykh Abdallah.
    Is well know that Maulana shaykh Abdallah was say to be 2 students, Nazim Effend and Hussain Effendi.
    I am sure that many reading don’t know the level of shaykh Adnan nor know Shaykh Hussain, that recently passed away, q.s.
    All my respect, love, to Maulana Shaykh Adnan and Maulana Shaykh Hisham, and i request them dua’s, what a murid can do is ask dua’ and not disrespect, and if have questions, may be without nafs, not for make fitnah or arguing.
    The shariat said that the student should not disrespect the teacher.
    As the son not disrespect the father, as they are in certain way amri minkum.
    For this that permitted himself to call Dr. Jibril Fuad Haddad, witht title of “al maroni”, i want remember that He is a scholar and a muslim, and that he dont deserve the title of maroni, as maroni mean also christian, and is very dangerous word call muslim christian, althought depend from the intention, i can understanad in that case of that person is lack of knowledge of what is maroni and arabic language.
    We should not fall in insults.
    For finish, i am very sorry for all those comments, without rights,
    but we have better to do that send comments of judge shaykh Hisham or Shaykh Adnan.
    Our group tonight were attached in Mosque, included the writer, by wahabi tunisian man, that disturbed almost all time of khatm, with insults to our dhikr and to myself, it come to insult and i told him quitly that we don’t want him and to get out, as he was shouting in mosque and calling our job bida3a etc, and insult my person, till we just exange some words, till he come very near to me, whre i told him no touch me o i would have sent him away to his country. (denunce to police i mean)
    In the end, the imam of the mosque, exit from his place angry told him to get out, and to shout up, and he answer that he could not send him out from House of God, finally the turkish imam got so angry that he wanted beat him up, in end they kicked him out in that way, he went.
    This situation disturbed me, and is a test of Allah, dear brothers, at place of waste time in judge Shaykhs, please see our great problems, which is what are doing terorrist people in name of Islam, which is worst, violent and terrorist to us, PLEASE BROTHERS AND SISTER, WAKE UP, YOU CAN’T UNDERSTAND MY SADNESS MAYBE, PLEASE, DON’T DO THAT TO OUR SHAYKHS, AND TO OUR BROTHER,S PLEASE LETZ BE UNITE, WE HAVE GREATEST PROBLEMS, OUR WAR IS AGAINST OUR NAFS NOT AGAINST THE SHAYKHS!!
    DENUNCE VIOLENCES! AND STAY UNITED! WORK TOGETHER! THERE IS NO SPACE FOR NAFS BETWEEN LITTLE BROTHERS AGAINST SHAYKHS, OR LITTLE BROTHERS TO LITTLE BROTHERS, WE NEED TO WORK TO CLEAN OURSELF, THAT IS SUFISM, PLEASE. BILLAHI 3ALEKUM.
    WE HAVE SO MANY ENEMY, SENT BY SHAYTAN, PLEAS LETZ STAY UNITE IN THE LOVE FOR ALLAH.
    THANKS
    ABDULLATIF

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      Gibril Fouad Haddad

      June 29, 2010 at 12:41 pm

      salam alaykum#may Allah subhan wa taala bless you dear sidi Abdullateef for your word of peace and adab and bless all those who kept themselves away from this fitna and focus on the most important problems today, namely the Wahhabi falsehood and hijack of Islam which in fact Mawlana SHaykh Nazim quddisa sirruh mentions every day in his suhba, and to focus also on cleansing our selves which was the second most important issue in today’s suhba, which Mawlana brought in an unprecedented manner straight from the Quran and challenged Salafi Ulema to understand it or explain it better to the people.

      It is disappointing to see nevertheless this blog and others still fuelling or tacitly/passively promoting fitna against awliya as if it were a light matter, as if it will not have consequences here and hereafter. Sadly it is not difficult to understand such behavior in light of the Prophetic descriptions that in the end of times the ignorant will have followers and will attack awliya and mock them in broad daylight and in their very house!!, and go unpunished. We leave the matter to Allah.

      Was-Salam.

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        yursil

        June 29, 2010 at 1:04 pm

        I’m uncertain what this blog is doing to ‘tacitly/passively promote fitnah’. I would think going on public forums and attacking Shaykhs left and right would be promoting fitnah. Rewriting history may work for some situations, but not where the internet is concerned.

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          Aaminah

          June 30, 2010 at 8:45 pm

          Bismillahir Rahmaanir Rahiim
          Asalaamu alaikum.

          i must be very stupid as i find it terribly confusing that someone would suggest that responding to fitnah created by a party is “promoting fitnah”. i am also very confused how someone could suggest that everyone else should “leave the matter to Allah” even as they themselves continue to have much to say about it. it seems that some people’s egos have told them that they have a better right to commentary (and long-winded rambling monologues, in fact) on a matter even as they attempt to silence others. and yet, as has been the case all along in this issue, these same people who are asking others to stop sharing their thoughts/concerns consistently fail to make the same request of the ones who created the fitnah to begin with and continue to issue statements that are merely being responded to. such hypocrisy is amazing.

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            Gibril Fouad Haddad

            July 1, 2010 at 8:40 am

            Alaykum as-Salam,
            It is the profound ignorance of (i) the timeframe and sequence of events and (ii) the position of the respective parties that is mind-boggling. But as it is said truth is the daughter of time, and the wrongdoers shall discover what amazement is.
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            Jamal

            July 1, 2010 at 9:20 am

            I think you may still be a hop skip and a step away from Sheykh Abdul Kerim, in Cyprus… last time I checked you were hugging, kissing and embracing right after threatening a fatwa on your dear friend and accusing him of being disobedient and corrupted. Your master sits next to him now smiling while calling him Abu Lahab not to long ago. All this while the Sultan alAwliya is right in front of you to clear the matter.

            After the hug, you then come on the internet and wax righteously about how you are secretly right in all this and it will all be shown one fateful day.

            If that isn’t the very definition of hypocrisy then I don’t know what is.
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            Abdul Qahhar

            July 1, 2010 at 10:29 am

            Gibril, I was reading the Kalam of Hz. Sultan Bahu the other day and the following verses made me think of you, I wanted to share

            “They have read thousands of books, They have come to be known as great scholars,

            But the one word, ‘love’, they could not grasp – So helplessly they wander in delusion,

            Vast is the gulf between love and intellect.

            Those who have not purchased love In the marketplace of this life, O Bahu, will always be losers in this world and the next.

            You have become an expert in counting beads; You conduct yourself with an air of piety,

            A hundred-bead rosary circles your neck, But you have failed to count The one bead of your heart!

            When it comes to giving, you feel strangled; When taking, you grab like a lion.

            On the hearts that are hard like stone, O Bahu, rainfall is a wasted offering.

            The scholar is proud of his learning, The hafiz thrives on self-promotion.

            With books under their arms They go around, selling their honour,

            Wherever they find a promising household, they read the scripture in loud, fervent strains for a lucrative commission.

            O Bahu! They have put God’s name on sale Just to make a living. In this world they live spiritually bankrupt; Stripped of all honour, they go to the One Beyond.”

            You haven’t died yet. There is still time to make Tauba.
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        Abdul Qahhar

        June 29, 2010 at 2:30 pm

        BismillahirRahmanirRahim,

        Kiraman Katibeen! Ya’lamuna Ma Taf’aloon!

        Gibril- the Angels know what you have typed with your fingers and what is circling in your heart. Can you really be so much of a hypocrite as to pretend that you are not the one who has gone around in public (and private) forums attacking the Khulafaa’ of Mawlana Sultan al-Awliya? Shame on you. Shame on you. Shame on you.

        You are a liar of the worst kind. You are the one who calls others to good deeds but does not do them himself. It is you who is earning a heavy load on your neck in the Akhirah.

        When you commented on my Blog and declared that you needed to write a Fatwa against Sheykh Abdul Kerim, was that busying yourselves with the Wahhabis or with attacking the Friends of Allah? How is writing a fatwa against one of the Representatives of Mawlana helping to clean your ego? Or are you only letting that dragon to consume you in its flames even more?

        Wake up. Your hypocrisy in this post is clearer than daylight. If you repent and ask forgiveness, that is one thing. But do not pretend that you have been innocent; you have eaten from the flesh of a Friend of Allah and a Beloved One of Mawlana. May that flesh be a poision and curse to you until you turn around and ask for forgiveness, Ameen.

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    farhan ali

    June 26, 2010 at 11:05 am

    respected Sidi Gibril Haddad , are you protecting hisham kabbanie…
    actually you have refuted already hisham kabbani back … is it?
    http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=2509&CATE=91
    and this was a very authentic refutaion from you…
    now are you changing your mind?

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      Gibril Fouad Haddad

      July 2, 2010 at 3:03 am

      Dear Farhan, what “authentic refutation” do you mean, is it my dua that “May Allah save him and inspire him the right course”? which I also say concerning you, myself and every Muslim–have I thereby refuted you? Do you know the hadith about “protecting a believer from a munafiq”? There is not one person who attacks Shaykh Hisham Kabbani except that person has nifaq in them. May Allah guide you and us.

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40. 

    Mujib

    July 1, 2010 at 1:38 am

    As-Salamu `alaykum wa rahmatullah

    Brothers and sisters, I found this discussion after a brother at a certain forum posted a link to it in a thread he dedicated to attacking Tasawwuf and Sufis. He opened his post with these words: “LOL Sufi Civil War, Naqshabandi vs. Naqshabandi.”

    Are these discussions appropriate for public websites?

    Also, is Shaykh Nazim aware that he is being recorded in that recent video? Should these conversations be made public and these comments repeated and celebrated like this? Imagine what the opponents of the Ahl al-Sunna will do with “S*** on them.”

    Allah and His Messenger know best.

    Was-Salam

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41. 

    Timur

    July 2, 2010 at 12:53 pm

    BismillahirRahmanirRahim,

    @GF Haddad –

    You have yet to respond to Jamal’s comment. Your antics and evident hypocrisy were in plain sight in Cyprus, witnessed by SultanalAwliayh Sheykh Nazim. Hugging and kissing Sheykh Abdul Kerim, while you insult, backbite and support the slander, and those who slander, him?

    Whose manners are these, mr. Haddad? Lebanese diplomacy? Maronite betrayal?

    “After the hug, you then come on the internet and wax righteously about how you are secretly right in all this and it will all be shown one fateful day.”

    What do you have to say to this, mr. Haddad?

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42. 

    Gibril Fouad Haddad

    July 4, 2010 at 2:29 am

    Ma sha Allah, I sent a followup several times but it is not being posted.

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43. 

    Gibril Fouad Haddad

    July 4, 2010 at 2:31 am

    [Part 1]

    Salam alaykum,

    The day previous to my hugging Shaykh Abdulkarim, whom I have known
    longer than any of those writing here (with the possible exception of
    Shaykh H.B. may Allah increase his ranks and protect him), Mawlana
    Shaykh Nazim had made Shaykh Abdulkarim renew his respect to Mawlana
    Shaykh Hisham which he did. This is why Shaykh Abdulkarim deserved
    everyone’s respect. Whoever humbles himself for Allah, Allah raises him.

    However, the insulting material against Shaykh Hisham endures here on
    this blog and on others and has not been removed, even less disclaimed,
    even long after Shaykh Hisham offered his apology and now Shaykh
    Abdulkarim gave his respect; not only that but it is being renewed and
    perpetuated. And when our brothers, our fellow Murids, the sons of our
    same spiritual father (Mawlana Shaykh Nazim) are called to reason, they
    become scandalized and so angry, and curse. In this Holy month where
    everything is double or more.

    Brothers Yursil and friends do you know the hadith “I am the City of
    Knowledge and `Ali is its gate”? You agree, do you not, that there is an
    inheritor for that Prophetic attribute in our time “I am the City of
    Knowledge,” which is Mawlana Shaykh Nazim al-Haqqani? Who do you think
    is the inheritor for the second attribute cited, “and `Ali is its gate”?
    Think about it.

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      Nureddin

      July 4, 2010 at 4:10 pm

      Bismillahi Rahmani Rahim

      As salam alaikum Gibril

      What nonsense is that of makind renew respect? Is this how you perceived that? It is always wonderful how distorted may be the perception of a distorted mind. Sheykh Effendi never disrespected SHisham in all these happenings. You did it and SHisham did it. Not him.

      Both are khaliphas, don’t you see? Don’t you see that it was NOT -even assuming your distorted perception for a second- any renewal of bayat -as you were however asking Sheykh Effendi to do to another khalipha calling him a rebel? You still continue looking at just one side. How foolish you are.

      Don’t you see now with your own eyes that Maulana is pleased with Sheykh Effendi working on the new osmanli dergah in Cyprus?

      How blind you may be.

      We are talking about the man that you were calling a rebel, astaghfirullah.

      As for what Grandshaykh Abdullah (qs) said regarding SHisham, you know that part but you apparently do not know what he said later. Ask Shaykh Adnan’s son, not me, anyway he wrote in a mailing list. Not to mention anything later as you would simply not hear.

      So all those things of only two or citing hadith or this or that … only speak to YOU of what you already think how this issue is.

      And you may know Shaykh Effendi longer than many, but so many of us know him better, a million times better than you.

      Keep thinking whatever you like to think, just don’t open your mouth to show disrespect to waliullah Sayyid Sheykh Abdul Kerim (should I reproduce here what Yursil mentioned you in the other blog when you were foolishly asking dalil on independent khilafat?).

      And, as this thread started with the nurmuhammad obvious deviances, do not side with such deviance, at least make it clear, just like you willed to do with hh (how one sided you are even for these things).

      Salams

      Nureddin

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44. 

    Gibril Fouad Haddad

    July 4, 2010 at 2:33 am

    [Part 2]

    Who is the Siddiq of Mawlana in our time? You agree, do you not, that
    whatever Allah poured into Prophet’s heart, peace be upon him, he poured
    into Abu Bakr’s heart? Who do you think in our time is the inheritor of
    that station in which whatever Prophet poured into Mawlana’s heart,
    Mawlana poured into “his” heart? Who do you think holds that position?

    Please do not be shocked and scandalized, do not say “rambling
    monologue” or what not, just listen to Mawlana: Mawlana said of Shaykh
    Adnan Kabbani and Shaykh Hisham Kabbani that “they are HIS TWO MURIDS”
    without third, just as the Prophet upon him blessings and peace said of
    Abu Bakr and `Umar (Allah be well-pleased with them) “These two are like
    my hearing and my sight.” I adjure you to take these points very
    seriously as they are as plain and visible as the sun in the middle of
    sky at noon.

    The Sultan of his time Mawlana Shaykh Khalid al-Baghdadi had over 300
    deputies but he said I have zero murid, only Isma`il, i.e. his two
    khalifas (as there were two Ismails!).

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45. 

    Gibril Fouad Haddad

    July 4, 2010 at 2:49 am

    [Part 3 - last]

    Grandshaykh, Mawlana said, was pleased with Shaykh Hisham and Shaykh Adnan and assigned them to Mawlana Shaykh Nazim.

    There is a hadith of the Prophet upon him blessings and peace in which he
    addresses the Sahaba and tells them: “Leave my Companion [Abu Bakr]
    alone, once and for all!” because even among the Sahaba some people were
    jealous of the most senior one among them! Check and see who that most
    senior one among ourselves is, Ya Hu.

    Is this too threatening a fatwa? Or is it lacking love, or from some
    book-bound outsider? Is it fitna-mongering? Or is it, rather, leaving no
    stone unturned to quell it? What do you think Abdul Qahha? What do you
    think righteous Amina? Believe or do not believe, be humble or be proud,
    accept advice or ignore it, do as you like; even inside Mawlana’s house
    ostriches and peacocks are welcome. If you do accept, then the
    invitation should be extnded in all adab to Mawlana’s son-in-law
    Mawlana Shaykh Hisham, not to me. If not, then as Mawlana says of the
    very dissenters he pats and cajoles, and that includes us as well:
    “li-kulli Majnunin Layla” every demented one pursues his own darling.

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    Gibril Fouad Haddad

    July 4, 2010 at 2:55 am

    [Afterthought]

    Grandshaykh Abdullah al-Daghistani (may his soul be sanctified) had a
    son-in-law named Nazir al-Shamaa who at one point became wanted by the
    authorities for a political accusation against him; he was sitting with Grandshaykh in Damascus when a state police entered. As the latter faced Grandshaykh he suddenly saw two huge lions sitting on each side of Grandshaykh’s shoulders. Grandshaykh said: “HERE IS MY SON-IN-LAW AND THESE TWO LIONS BELONG TO ME AND THEY PROTECT HIM, TAKE HIM IF YOU WISH.” They turned around and left, they were too happy to be alive.

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      yursil

      July 5, 2010 at 1:38 pm

      BismillahirRahmanirRahim

      Someone sent this in an email to me. I am posting it with their permission, but anonymously:

      “It is very disturbing to see that this topic has been taken hither, thither, and yon from its origin. This whole thing burst into the open in March 2010 with that despicable video against two people who Sheykh Mevlana loves very much, and who serve him day and night. The video was slanderous and cruel, besides that it was intentionally released to disrupt Seyh Mevlana’s broadcast and web site. It interrupted Seyh Mevlana’s sohbet on saltanat.org (Seyh Mevlana’s personal web site, SH dissembling to the contrary not withstanding). Related criminal activities brought down saltanat.org completely for a time.

      When Seyh Mevlana told Seyh Abdul Kerim Efendi to find out who did it, Seyh Abdul Kerim did what was ordered and reported back to Mevlana ONLY. Ever since then, this obedient servant, who reported that the source of the attacks on Nakshibendi Hakkani Muslims was an ip address in Michigan, has himself been under siege from SH, his blind and ignorant (of the facts) followers, and his ignorant (of the facts) celebrity apologist. Even last Friday, SH attacked Seyh Abdul Kerim Efendi from the mimbar in Seyh Mevlana’s masjid. Ironically, almost everything SH said in that khutba outlines his own past and continuing bad behavior, not Seyh Abdul Kerim Efendi’s perfect manners and obedience to Sultan.

      For example, instead of dealing with the internet crime, SH broadcast a number of sohbets filled with open insults and slander against Seyh Abdul Kerim Efendi, his wife, and his followers. SH then made another talk in which he tried unsuccessfully (to those listening with awareness) to veil the insults. He made a show of apologizing as he wound down from that particular diatribe. SH clearly mentions an insincere apology in last Friday’s khutba – must be his own duplicity he is screaming about. After all, Seyh Abdul Kerim Efendi had nothing to apologize for. He said and did nothing for which he should ask forgiveness of SH. (The celebrity scholar’s interpretation of Seyh Abdul Kerim Efendi’s act of obedience to Sultan is laughable in its patronizing naivete. Alhamdulillah.) SH, on the other hand, himself committed sins against the rights of another person openly – in front of the whole world. We all know that this behavior is not new to SH.

      Meanwhile, no one has ever apologized for the original video and for taking down Seyh Mevlana’s web site. In fact, they continue their devious internet games (crimes) against Seyh Mevlana’s sites and murids. Michigan’s egregious behavior was obfuscated by the subsequent inter-sheykh drama, driven mostly by SH followers’ wishful-thinking interpretation of Mevlana’s words and actions, SH slander and double speak, and years of friction between SH and most, if not all, Mevlana’s other representatives. Michigan’s original crime in this episode of fitna still stands unacknowledged and unrepented.

      Instead of denouncing his own peoples’ actions against Sultan and his loved ones, SH made Seyh Abdul Kerim Efendi the scapegoat for attack by these same self-satisfied and/or heedless Michigan criminals who seem to revel in propagating fitna. SH and his followers’ attacks on Seyh Abdul Kerim Efendi are a diversion and a despicable injustice introduced to obscure the facts of the original fitna with even more fitna, and to promote ever more insidious objectives. That supposedly knowledgeable Muslims – murids who are allegedly trying to progress to an ‘awakened station’ – can participate in this lynch mob is certainly a sign of the forces of batil at work to separate believers from Haqq in ahir zaman.

      May ALLAH swt give Seyh Abdul Kerim Efendi patience to endure these attacks according to the sunnah of Holy Prophet (saws) and Mevlana Seyh Nazim Hazretleri, provide him the power and help to continue his work, and increase his macam exponentially over the ranks of his detractors.

      ALLAH Hafiz.”

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        Gibril Fouad Haddad

        July 6, 2010 at 3:17 am

        Salam alaykum,

        It is indeed a sign of the times that the shaytanic bravado of calling such as Mawlana Shaykh Hisham (quddisa sirruh) to account on internet websites then positing a beguiled authority in his face who is now represented as absolutely guiltless and guileless, while his followers gorge themselves on Awliya’s blood hither, thither and yonder then become drunk on their own crocodile tears.

        There is no celebrity here, there is no ‘Seyh Abdul Kerim Efendi’ and there is no maqam whatsoever, there is only on the one hand Mawlana Shaykh Nazim, may his soul be sanctified, and on the other a bunch of beginners fascinated by their own ability to rear their heads and bay at passersby without visible consequences, or clap their jaws in artful terms dripping with venom.

        The next thing is that Mawlana Shaykh Nazim tests people and he tests his Murids. He tests them through orders that they may or may not understand, and through events that they may or may not interpret with their own minds as injustice. Mawlana Shaykh Nazim answered verbatim in America in 1993 to someone who was accusing Shaykh Hisham of the very same offenses as the Shakespearean lady is claiming: “Yes, *I* am testing. *I* may test my Murids with zulm also.” (In the same suhba Mawlana orders all ladies to stand down and not interfere in anything!) This is not batil, this is the opportunity of acceptance for the sake of Mawlana that leads to progress despite what shaytan protests into people’s ears.

        It is a big mistake for anyone to justify themselves, especially for a claimant to Shaykhood stating before his audience that “I cannot be tested by X.” or “I have reached the level of distinguishing between right and wrong” and dozens of other such pearls; which in Tariqa are blunders of mammoth proportions; and to say, on video also, that “If all the world’s ulema pronounce a fatwa against me it is s***t to me” which is blatant kufr without discussion.

        There is no maqam here, only ego-laced states that take a droplet of instruction from Mawlana and try to run against Mawlana’s Niagara Falls with it! It does not make sense! Such is known as ghurur and istidraj, i.e. delusion–big time. I swear that a million SAKs are like a kitten between the paws of a lion before Mawlana Shaykh Hisham but he is under orders to wait, hear and obey, and when ordered to take action he does not account for anyone’s pleasure or displeasure other than Mawlana’s. And what he speaks from the Prophet’s Minbar signals an even more impending manifestation of HAQQ against its detractors. So do not fear for the mountain but fear for the poorling who is trying to head-butt it.

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          Yursil

          July 6, 2010 at 7:22 am

          BismillahirRahmanirRahim

          A very forceful statement towards your Shaykh and another characteristic accusation of kufr against Shaykh Abdul Kerim Effendi. Considering your long attack against Seyh Abdul Kerim Effendi, why not go right up to Maulana and say these things and get it resolved? You are/were so close. What is feared?

          The topics not being addressed (at all) are three:

          1) The hack/attack on Sultan ul Awliya’s own website with his own handwritten words.

          2) The distribution of a ridiculous video accusing of murder and other vile behavior against Murids who live in Cyprus.

          3) Sh Hisham’s own brother wrote this article for this particular post. Sh Hisham’s relationships with khalifas and vekils across the globe are strained and being strained more.

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            Gibrıl Fouad Haddad

            July 6, 2010 at 8:09 am

            Salam alaykum

            Dear ‘Anonymous’ etc.

            Today at Mawlana Shaykh Nazim’s sufra we asked him if he had indeed asked ShAKM to investigate any hacking of his website by Michigan or Mawlana Shaykh Hisham (qaddasa Allahu ta’ala sirrah wa karrama wajhah wa rafa’a qadrah raghima anfu al-shaytan wa a’wanuh), or if he had put him in charge of any investigation related to the internet in any way. Mawlana Shaykh Nazim’s answer: “I never put him or anyone else in charge of any such thing and I could never even be bothering about such things. I am occupied with more important matters.” When Mawlana was then informed that Abdulkarim and his friends were insisting that the latter was indeed put in charge of such an investigation and its subsequent accusations Mawlana simply replied: “Fie on them.” (You know the original Arabic by now. They can read it in Mathnavi but when Mawlana uses it they become flustered like scandalized virgins.)

            The exchange took place in Arabic and Turkish. This Q and A took place betwen 12.30 and 12.45 pm today Tuesday 6 July 2010 and it is recorded on video. It was witnessed by Mawlana’s two daughters, his two senior grandsons, their father Shaykh Hisham, your Egyptian ladyfriend, Dr M Sperling, and some Sayyid visitors from Central Asia, may Allah Most High bless and preserve His truthful Friends and forgive all.

            It is clear by now that your friend ShAK misunderstood both Mawlana’s instruction to him and his own role toward Mawlana’s immediate family–but I ask how could basic adab toward the Apple of Mawlana’s eyes and the Coolness of his Face be subject to misinterpretation except to a heart in which sickness has crept in? Never mind and may we all benefit from the blessing of Shafaati li-Ahl al-kaba’ir mın Ummati, but a truthful turnaround is needed as you have all been asked repeatedly. The insults must come down from thıs blog and the whole Defending blog has to go if you are sincere in your Bay’a to Mawlana.

            As for the other issues you need to seek refuge in Allah from misunderstanding as it has been shown to you black on white that even your heads are subject to it so what to say of your tails. ANd if a huge mistake can be made in one respect that means you may be prone to it in others as well so seek refuge in Mawlana,s basıc instructions–keep Adab stop interfering blame yourself and stop justifying and indulging yourselves.

            We ask safety from Allah Most High from the wiles of shaytan and success is only from Allah subhan wa taala. O Allah! You are Witness and You suffice the Believers even if the detractors should continue in their naysaying. When our liegelord al-Husayn–the Apple of Sayyidina Rasullullah’s eyes upon them blessings and peace and Ridwan– tried to advise Yazid, the latter convinced himself he was better than him and killed him. Was-Salam.
47. 

    yursil

    July 6, 2010 at 9:03 am

    Careful and deliberate rephrasing of questions asked is a common practice as we’ve seen in the past few months, as well as taking Maulana’s words out of context to suit certain agendas. No one was discussing who was in charge or who was not in charge of discovering the attack.

    Why is this being talked about?

    So let us see this video. Please, please.

    The fact of the matter is the attack occurred. The fact is that Michigan is a group which uses inspiration from the ‘apple’ to attack Sohbet websites.

    And where are the insults you want taken down?

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    Nureddin

    July 6, 2010 at 1:18 pm

    Bismillahi Rahmani Rahim

    For all people being misinformed by a scholar who should know to do better:

    Point one:

    Maulana was asked -assuming his words, verbatim- regarding Sheykh Abdul Kerim “…to investigate any hacking of his website by Michigan or Mawlana Shaykh Hisham” That is, if the hacking was made BY Michigan or S-Hisham.

    Next one:

    “Mawlana was then informed that [Sheykh] Abdulkarim and his friends [we are not his "friends", we are under his authority with ijaza from Maulana] were insisting that the latter was indeed put in charge of such an investigation AND its subsequent accusations”

    Oh Gibril, whoever did it, “informing” of such things to Maulana … MOST DECEIPTFULLY LIED … and obviously deceived you.

    To point one: Sheykh Effendi did not say that Maulana told him: ‘Look if SH or his people did it’. Just to find out about the attack with no name of preconceived suspicions on anybody.

    How could anyone ‘inform’ of such a thing, if not for calculating to arouse anger from Maulana preparing the next step of the ‘information’?

    To point two:

    What Sheykh Abdul Kerim Effendi said was that he came to know that the ip originated from a place in Michigan. Nothing else.

    It does not take too much intelligence to see that some naqshbandi from Michigan must have done it, but what SE informed Maulana was just that. Nothing else.

    Sheykh Effendi himself has never accused SH of giving the order for the hack/attack. Prove something different to it. You may look wherever you like but ‘informing’ such a thing is a blatant LIE.

    AND Sheykh Effendi was not in charge of any accusation that this fact originated from osmanli murids.

    What I myself assume is not that SHisham orderes the hacking action but something different related to his riff raff wich he obviously does noyt know how to manage.

    So:

    - Such task (to find out if the attacker was SH or his people) was never told by SE to be what he was told by Maulana.

    - SE never accused anyones from what he found.

    And these are FACTS.

    Not the LIES of misinformation that such master of lies -whoever he is- said to Maulana.

    Please, give us the video. We are waiting for it. We want to know that master of lies whoever he is. Everyone must know him. Such maker of calumnies and lies in the face of Maulana must be known by all the murids.

    Now you have a big responsibility on your head oh scholar. Face it as a man or make tawba.

    But let me inform you what the side that you are so shameslessly supporting is capable of (understand the word ‘side’ as you like). It is:

    - To put an audio of Maulana on a very well known web page stating that such audio is from this year -even giving an exact date- when we know that the truth is totally different. Find out about it if you are intelligent. We have the undeniable proof of such very low attack and lie.

    - To masterfully misrepresent on the face of Maulana himself the whole situation regarding the deviant nurmuhammad site and to rejoice with his action.

    - To say of SHisham that he is qutb al mutassarif when I have previously quoted the clear words of Maulana regarding a change in that position and made some comment to clear the false assumptions being made about it. Read it, it is in this very same trend of comments. See the words of Maulana himself.

    You are bringing all this issue to such a top limit of shameless lies and ignorance that I wonder if Sheykh Effendi will ask Maulana to protect his rights. You’d better pray that it does not happen. You will have nowhere a place to hide your face it that happens.

    Because now you are openly making takfir on him -la hawla wa la quwwala ila billah!!.

    Did someone calling him previously AJ inspired you for commiting such atrocity?!

    “which is blatant kufr without discussion”. Those are your words.

    What do you think that Maulana would say to you regarding it? Why don’t you dare to ask him: Is Sheykh Abdul Kerim a kafir? Astaghfirulllah al adhim wa atubuyllaih.

    Show us how much ‘on Haqq’ and how man you are. Or, my small counsel for you, make tawba and repent.

    Calling him kafir eh, I would never have believed this to come from a murid, from a scholarly one, from ‘and old friend’, from someone who hugged him recently. I’d better stay off from your loving huggs.

    Shame on you Gibril. I used to have a good opinion for you. I even came to ask you first when I was deciding to enter into tarikat. I thought you were different.

    Save your face and let us still have a good opinion on you.

    As salam alaikum

    Nureddin Cueva García

    PD: I have the email of your real master. I can email him of your takfir. I think not even him -after looking at how big is the mess that he put himself in- would allow you at this point to do that. But, of course, I may be mistaken.

    Don’t forget: we also have people there who can make questions to Maulana. When someone called SE Ab… what did Maulana said: I can take shaykhdom and bring it to zero.

    Don’t forget that part.

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    farhan ali

    July 7, 2010 at 1:10 am

    It is sad to hear all from a scholar like G.F HADDAD , who himself prooved so many mistakes in Hisham kabbani before at sunnipath.com , It was an authentic statements from a sunni scholer like G.F.HADDAD,
    http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=2509&CATE=91
    This is a mistake Hisham kabbani did at “BUKHARI” !!! so how can we sunnies around the world trust him?

    The sunnies around the world know the fact that he makes many many mistakes.

    And even you advised to the sunnies around the world that making such mistakes in Shareea and telling that this is the part of Haqiqa is not true Naqshabandies… is it? see your answer http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=7&ID=3598&CATE=1

    So closing the eyes and telling that light is not there will not proove any thing. There is a time for everything.

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    Jamal

    July 7, 2010 at 10:02 am

    Farhan

    What can one say about Gibril Haddad? He who sits in the company of Sultan ul Awliya, who is celebrating and ordering us to celebrate LailatulMiraj on this night… all while Gibril is giving fatwas against LailatulMiraj in Rajab

    On one hand he transcribes and makes available Maulana’s Sohbet on 27th of Rajab:

    http://www.livingislam.org/n/nsh_e.html

    This is a holy month and a holy day today.)* That it is [the] most important miracle, not only for the Seal of Prophets, but from [the] beginning up [to] today. How many thousands [of] Prophets! – they came and they have been sent by theLord of Heavens; and each one, also, they have been granted miracles.

    27 Rajab 1425 / Saturday 11 September 2004

    and on the other hand he stops people from recognizing this holy day:

    http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=2998&CATE=198

    “2. Actual Date of Isra’ and Mi`raj

    What is authentically related is that the Isra’ and Mi`raj took place on the 27th of Rabi` al-Awwal as narrated from Abu Ishaq Ibrahim al-Harbi by Ibn Dihya in his monograph al-Ibtihaj fi Ahadith al-Mi`raj; al-Nawawi in his Fatawa; al-Suyuti in his epistle al-Ayat al-Kubra fi Sharh Qissat al-Isra; al-Alusi in Tafsir Ruh al-Ma`ani (4:469); as well as the 17th of Rabi` al-Awwal, both positions being related by al-Kattani in his monograph.

    Imam Ibn Rajab said in `Awarif al-Lata’if (p. 233): “It is narrated with an unsound chain from al-Qasim ibn Muhammad that the Isra’ of the Prophet (upon him blessings and peace) was on the 27th of Rajab. Ibrahim al-Harbi and others denied that.” Ibn Hajar in his monograph on the reports that concern Rajab confirmed its inauthenticity.

    3. The hadiths in the Ghunya that mention that fasting the day of 27 Rajab equal the reward of 60 or 100 years are forged according to Ibn Hajar and others. ”

    What rationality is this? Who is he that he should be talking about disobedience and conformity?

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51. 

    Abu Umar

    July 10, 2010 at 3:04 pm

    Gibril Haddad, why is Hisham Kabbani colloborating with the kuffar?!

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52. 

    Sharjeel Aslam

    July 14, 2010 at 2:38 pm

    Salaams -

    One question for Sidi Gibril Haddad: Is participating in hadra with non-mahrams (literally holding hands with opposite genders) permissible or apprehended in our path?

    I will eagerly anticipate your response. But let me give you little background to my question. Back in April of 2008 Shaykh Hisham visited Southern California. An event was organized on April 19th at the Muslla Tauhid in Los Angeles with the Village Lutheran Church and Ahavat Torah Jewish congregation and Shaykh Hisham was the keynote speaker, after the talk Shaykh Hisham invited all of the attendees to enjoy the Sufi music (which is fine) and after that to join the hadra. The hadra consisted of male and females along with each other holding hands and all this happened in front of Shaykh Hisham….Not only I witnessed it but many of the other attendees (non-mureeds) who out of immense respect for Shaykh Hisham came to attend his talk. However, witnessing such a behavior totally turned all of us off. How long will this go on? will not anyone apprehend such public behavior? which to my limited knowledge this is totally contrary to the Sunnah of our beloved Messenger (SWS) and the Shairah in general. I know you have spend some time with the light of of our times, Shaykh Muhammad Al-Yaqoobi (May Allah Preserve and Sanctify his soul) would he approve of such acts during the pur practice of hadra?

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    Gibril Fouad Haddad

    July 17, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    Salam alaykum,

    One time Mawlana Shaykh Nazim was being driven through the streets of East Beirut (Christian area) at night, it was Christmas time. The streets and buildings were decked with lights, Christmas trees, etc. Someone else in the car, looking at all these signs, said: “Al-Hamdulillah!” meaning thank Allah we’re Muslims and not kuffar like them. Right away Mawlana Shaykh Nazim turned and said to him: “La tatakabbar” i.e. don’t be proud; whereupon the speaker immediately said Tawba.

    Truly the Hadra has an immense status and honor; but a human being who is being called to worship Allah Most High and being led out of the mire of bad habits through a pious gathering has more status and honor yet. If this is the way some Lutheran and Jewish men and women will understand it, then would that I had been one of them and taken shahada at that time, thanks to a Friend of Allah who met me all the way without a speck of pride in his heart. May Allah sanctify his secret and raise him higher.

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      Sharjeel Aslam

      July 19, 2010 at 4:09 pm

      Jazak’Allah Khair for your response Sidi Gibril. I totally agree with you in regards to the dangers of tatakabbar and may Allah(SWT) protect all of us from this serious disease of the heart, ameen. Our other elders such as Shaykh Habib Umar (Hafizu’Allah) specifically instructed his students about the secret of Daawah is that one should never think that he/she is better than the person you are taking the message to, because you never know who could be the friend of Allah(SWT) even amongst the non-muslims. So there is no doubt that Mawlana Shaykh Nazim (Hafizu’Allah) comment was with that very vision and deep wisdom that all of us need to follow with sincerity.

      But the Hadra gathering that I was referring to didn’t consist of Lutheran and Jewish attendees, they were mere audience who were enjoying the gathering. This Hadra only consisted of Muslim brothers and sisters, a mix Hadra! of a kind that I personally have never witnessed before and I am pretty sure any of the luminaries our time would take this matter very seriously and most probably condemn it.

      I hope you understand my point here – those of us who came with so much respect and hopes to gain nothing but positive from the gathering led by Shaykh Hisham Kabbani would only expect things to remain in the boundary of Shariah because of his caliber and stature amongst the Shooykh & Uleama.

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        Gibril Fouad Haddad

        July 21, 2010 at 6:08 am

        Al-Hamdulillah you understand the tanazzul of the Awliya and how far they go in order to reach their target. You mention that there is no doubt about the vision and deep wisdom of Mawlana Shaykh Nazim. You should know that in 1993 he did a hadra at the Lama Foundation in New Mexico and he was in the middle of a huge circle with all men and women joining hands and doing hadra around him. After that more than 20 people took shahada and bay`a with him. Yes, all holding hands and mixing. Do you think Sayyidi `Ali al-Budaylimi or Habib Mashhur rahimahumallah would have objected? I believe they would have prayed two rak`as of shukr if it had happened to them because they knew that al-Sufi Ibnul Waqt.

        I wonder if we would have lasted one day with the Sufi Shuyukh bringing Islam to pagan India. Muslims in the West live in the midst of fire but they still want to go by the book and smell like a rose; sometimes it will smell like smoke. Regarding the California event with Lutheran and Jewish attendants it is not whether it is ‘they’ or ‘we’ who touch hands that matters, it is the fact that after that hadra there were three shahadas with Shaykh Hisham. You should not come to his gatherings with your own prepared expectancies. If you do, then you are not yet respecting the one who deputized him over the US but still following your own choices; which yes, if it matters, I do understand, and may Allah guide you and us.

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          Ghulam Rasool

          July 21, 2010 at 4:37 pm

          Audhu Billahi Min al-Shaytan al-Rajim
          BismillahirRahmanirRahim

          Gibril,

          It really is easy to respond to the weakest points in a thread and then even sidestep addressing the concerns presented therein, isn’t it? But who would really expect intellectual honesty from one whose tongue speaks what isn’t in his heart.

          If you are a man (or a lion as you seem to think of yourself), reply to those arguments that have merit. You constantly refuse to answer Brother Yursil, Brother Abdul Qahhar, and the others who seem to leave you dumbfounded and your fingers temporarily paralyzed at the keyboard.

          Since you seem to have time to spare in the month of Shaban to engage in Malayani and the twisting of Mawlana Sultan al-Awliya’s words, why don’t you explain the behavior of your Shaykh Hisham that is unanswerable? Why don’t you explain to us why he is pretending that he his calling Shaykh Abdul Kerim as “Abu Lahab” was based on training and metaphor, when in fact the whole world knows (and all evidence overwhelmingly proves) that he did so because he was jealous that Shaykh Abdul Kerim was opening a Dergah in Lefke? A Dergah which was ordered to be opened by the Sultan? Of course I know that you’re going to twist this, because you’re just another snake amongst those who hiss false praises in the ears of Shaykh Hisham, but it’s my duty to say.

          Shaykh Hisham did not attack Shaykh Abdul Kerim to train the latter’s ego. Shaykh Hisham has no right to train or discipline Shaykh Abdul Kerim. Both are the Khalifa of Mawlana. Mawlana has said himself, “Abdul Kerim belongs to me.” To be categorically clear: Shaykh Abdul Kerim was ordered by Mawlana to open a Dergah in Cyprus. Shaykh Abdul Kerim was ordered by Mawlana to go to Jumma in other masjids in Cyprus. Shaykh Hisham found out and got ___________ (angry/jealous/envious/stubborn/proud/arrogant; pick your adjective).

          Shaykh Hisham then went in front of the world on a forum that should be dedicated to spreading the teachings of Mawlana to the world (SufiLive), and said that Shaykh Abdul Kerim was “Abu Lahhab.” HE DID IT BECAUSE SHAYKH ABDUL KERIM FOLLOWED MAWLANA’S ORDERS AND OPENED A DERGAH IN LEFKE. To say otherwise is a lie and falsehood. You cannot answer or address this point because it is the Truth, and just as a sword cuts, the Truth has cut your black tongues from your mouths.

          Stop using metaphors and aphorisms that have nothing to do with the point, Gibril. You cannot answer these points. You cannot answer the points raised on Defending The Truth blog (which is why your Master wants it closed to desperately).

          Shab-e-Barat is approaching fast (or perhaps you don’t believe in it as you don’t believe in Shab-e-Meraj). My suggestion; sit on your janamaz and repent. And since you have taken the rights of one of Allah’s Creation who is Beloved to Him, to His Habib (S), and to Mawlana, go and ask that one, Sahib al-Sayf, Shaykh Abdul Kerim al-Kibrisi, for forgiveness. Otherwise, continue to type and write words that only seal your own demise in the Grave and beyond.

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54. 

    Mustafa

    July 19, 2010 at 2:24 pm

    al-salam alaykum,

    Ma sha’ Allah, Sayyidi Shaykh Gibril’s comment above reminds me of a fatwa he posted a few years ago; see: http://www.livingislam.org/fiqhi/sm1-gfh_e.html#ccc

    Note the contrasts. I find it curious that the last paragraph of Shaykh Gibril’s most recent comment (“a human being who is being called to worship… speck of pride in his heart”) could equally apply to the Minhaj-ul-Quran Christmas celebrations.

    Why the double standard?

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    Abdul Malik

    July 19, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    Shaykh Gibril, you are making a mistake by responding to the ignorance of some of these kids.. if i were you, i wouldn’t keep responding to them…

    to be honest, they all seriously lack adab…

    at the end of the day, how can you insult someone who your Shaykh loves EVEN if that person makes mistakes?

    It was incorrect to insult Kerim Effendi infront of others, but what has since taken place is far more sinister… I think it is a great error to insult Hisham Kabbani in this public way, Shaykh Nazim, the spiritual master of this Tariqa loves him.

    That is the end of it.

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56. 

    Abdul Jabbar

    July 21, 2010 at 9:07 pm

    Bismillahhir Rahmaanir Raheem

    Gibril, you said
    “Today at Mawlana Shaykh Nazim’s sufra we asked him if he had indeed asked ShAKM to investigate any hacking of his website by Michigan or Mawlana Shaykh Hisham (qaddasa Allahu ta’ala sirrah wa karrama wajhah wa rafa’a qadrah raghima anfu al-shaytan wa a’wanuh), or if he had put him in charge of any investigation related to the internet in any way. Mawlana Shaykh Nazim’s answer: “I never put him or anyone else in charge of any such thing and I could never even be bothering about such things. I am occupied with more important matters.” When Mawlana was then informed that Abdulkarim and his friends were insisting that the latter was indeed put in charge of such an investigation and its subsequent accusations Mawlana simply replied: “Fie on them.” (You know the original Arabic by now. They can read it in Mathnavi but when Mawlana uses it they become flustered like scandalized virgins.)

    The exchange took place in Arabic and Turkish. This Q and A took place betwen 12.30 and 12.45 pm today Tuesday 6 July 2010 and it is recorded on video. It was witnessed by Mawlana’s two daughters, his two senior grandsons, their father Shaykh Hisham, your Egyptian ladyfriend, Dr M Sperling, and some Sayyid visitors from Central Asia, may Allah Most High bless and preserve His truthful Friends and forgive all.”

    Isn’t there a very important person missing from that discussion? Isn’t that person Shaik Abdul Karim? Doesn’t Shariah Law require that the accused face their accuser? We know that you and Shaik Hisham have a tendency to misphrase questions toward Mawlana (as we saw with the hyperbolic claims about NurMuhammad). Shaik Abdul Karim was in Cyprus when you held this bootleg “Court” in front of Mawlana. Why didn’t you ask for him to be in attendance? I have a guess; because you purposely presented false evidence and statements to Mawlana.

    And if you have a video (which I very much doubt you do, or indeed that the event you described transpired as you have stated) then release it. If you and your Shaik Hisham are truly men and truly the Aqtaab that you claim to be, go to your computer, load the video onto Youtube and let the world to see it. That video contains material that is of concern to the entire Ummah. Of course, you won’t release it, because then the world will see how fraudulent you are.

    Your credibility as a Scholar is on the line Gibril. Let me clarify why: You purposely participated in the presentation of evidence and statements to the Sultanul Awliya against one of his Khalifas and you purposely did so in the absence of that Khalifaa, Shaik Abdul Karim, when it was completely within your power to present your evidence with him present. Thus, you violated Shaik Abdul Karim’s basic rights as a MUSLIM. Then, you claimed to have video evidence of said exchange but failed to produce it to the public. I’m sure that being slick worked when you were a Maronite, but it won’t work when you are a Murid (so-claimed).

    Put out the video if you are Truthful. The world has a right to see it. Otherwise, crawl back into your hole.

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    Abdul Malik

    July 23, 2010 at 8:17 am

    With all due respect, i think this: http://www.haqqanisoul.com/group/threehonourablerepresentatives pretty much settles the issues between Shaykh Adnan and Shaykh Hisham.

    And, have no doubt about it, you can keep going on and on about one comment, albeit in ad taste about Kerim Effendi…

    But Abdul Kerim Effendi, without a shadow of a doubt, will never have the authority Shaykh Adnan Kabbani or Shaykh Hisham have in Naqshbandi-Haqqani tariqa.

    As an outsider, even i can see this.

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58. 

    Ghulam Rasool

    July 23, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    Really, Abdul Malik? You have the authority and the vision to see who is an authority within the Tariqa? Nobody is disputing that Shaykh Hisham is a Representative. Nobody is disputing that Shaykh Adnan is a Representative. It is Shaykh Hisham, however, who is constantly challenging and cursing Shaykh Abdul Kerim who is, “without a shadow of a doubt”, the Khalifa of Mawlana Nazim.

    By the way; how many times have you met Mawlana? Or indeed, Shaykh Hisham or Shaykh Adnan? Or Shaykh Abdul Kerim? Perhaps you should keep your mouth shut when you have no idea what you’re talking about.

    Allah Hafiz

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59. 

    James Umar McConnell

    August 1, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    People who receive and love their positions and titles coming from Sheikh Hisham are never going to jeopardize their desired positions in exchange for truth. If listening to Sheikh Nazim talk about “chairman” “positions” “titles” etc. then you know what and who he is talking about. Chairman of this, chairman of that, official this and that, we are never hearing such claims from Sheikh Adnan. But you can put what is obvious in front of people and if they receive their positions and title from a direction and love those positions and titles then they will defend them to the death. Welcome to you all!

    People have a choice, listen with your ears, or listn with your heart. Thosse looking for physical evidence to suppor ttheir position will always find it. We must arrive at a place where our hearts are informing us, not our minds, blogs, forums, speaches, books, etc.

    This has always been the Sufi way. Isa (as) had how many true disciples? Muhammad (saw) had how many true companions. As it was when Sheikh Abdullah passed this world, very few people followed Sheikh Nazim, not until it was obvious he had something people wanted and could use his status, position, work to their own advantage. It will be the same way when Mawlana departs this material world, may Allah give him good health and long life. It is always the same that the majority follows the one claiming to be king and the few listen to their heart and just simply know.

    In fact, it is a protection to the true ones that the foolish ones follow others as they would just take up their time and waste their energy. So I am very thankful that people have a choice and that those who want position, titles and chairmanship have what they desire. We get the leaders we deserve.

    I had the great fortune of sitting in Damascus with Sheikh Adnan, at the Maqam of Grand Sheikh Abdullah, for a very long time, and enjoyed listening to him with only a few others in attendance. Sheikh Adnan kills your ego; he does not give out prizes to people. It is virtually impossible for people who love their titles and position to sit for more than a few minutes with Sheikh Adnan before their ego is squirming. Gibril shunned Sheikh Adnan the entire time I was in Damascus, while living for free in the house of Maulana Sheikh Nazim. Thank God he is gone now along with Anwar. Gibril is a book scholar, nothing more, who gets his status from Sheikh Hisham, is it any wonder he wishes to protect that? Gibril is far too important to sit with Sheikh Adnan. He is a very very big Sheikh!

    The solution for those who wish to remain safe . . . .

    Give your money to no one, NO ONE but Mawlalna Sheikh Nazim. If these people claiming to be authorized, official, appointed, representatives, chairmen are real, then let Mawlana give them what they need to do their work. This is the best way to stop this foolishness. Have you ever seen Sheikh Nazim begging for money???? Do you not believe that Sheikh Nazim will do better for your donation than you will do for yourself??? Watch the video on Charity in the video archives of Saltanat.org, no need to listen to this foolish weak one. So resolve to stop funding these people and see what happens.

    Put your money aside, good to turn it into gold, then send it with someone traveling to Cyprus. Include a note that you would like to fund so and so but defer to Sheikh Nazims final decission and tell him to put it where it will benefit him, you and Allah’s true ones the most.

    So simple . . .

    For the honor of the most honored amongst creation Saydinah Muhammad (saw) Al-Fatiha

    James Umar McConnell

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60. 

    Muslim

    August 4, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    Bismillahhir Rahmaanir Raheem

    Asalamu Alaykum,

    I am honestly disappointed in every single Naqshbandi-Haqqani Mureed who posted here after reading this blog and a lot of other information on all over your wesbites, both Shaykh Hisham’s and Sheykh Kerim’s as well as others. Have you people lost your damn minds? You behave like children, who have been given a very powerful tool, the internet, and are ruining your own reputation infront of the Muslims of Ahle Sunnah Wal Jammah and the non-muslim world.

    Am I mistaken, or isn’t this type of severe internal disputation, name calling and splitting the attribute and sign of the extreme Wahabbis/Salafis?

    The lack of Adab, the lack of discussion of serious/relative topics, the stupid and ill-informed, self-diluted, conceited and cult-like behavior that you display by fighting with each other over small, stupid comments that you pull off of videos and ill-mannered discussions just show how misguided you are.

    And the fact that the majority of you are too stupid to realize that when you post something on a blog, it remains on that blog for the whole world to see, just shows how much you do not understand your statements will affect your own souls. To curse or talk bad of another Muslim is one severe thing, but to POST it on a blog, in writing, for the whole entire world to access your cursing of another Muslim just plain corruption. I expect WAY more from the students of great Sufi Shaykhs. You have embaressed yourselves by POSTING your dirty laundry for everyone to see. Have some common sense you fools. Does Shaykh Nazim ever say things against people by their names in public for the whole world to see, even if they are his enemies, in this manner? When he gives Nasiha, does he write on a paper with someone’s specific name and posts it on his bulletin board in his Masjid for everyone to see?

    People on this blog are going as far as CALLING people Kafir from “bits” they have seen in videos. Am I blind, but is this extreme Wahabi mentality.

    If anyone thinks someone is working with the kuffar, let them present evidence. Posting your beliefs or opinions on a blog is NOT evidence. Isn’t a huge value of your website the idea that Muslims reading books and opinions and believing they know the truth through just those means is actually misguidance. And these are books with references and books that have cohesive ideologies and solid arguments and facts in them. And you are telling your website viewers not to be arrogant enough to think they know anything about Islam or any topic for that matter by just reading BOOKS, THEN how about a BLOG??? Are you kidding me?

    Print this whole transcript and translate it into Turkish and hand it to Shaykh Nazim, and see what he says.

    You people are supposed to be doing dhikr, exercising patience and sabr, reading and memorizing Qur’an and helping the people in your community learn about Islam and the way of the Tariqa – instead you are sitting in your homes backbiting about each other, hating each other and wishing death upon each other because of your stupid loyalty, NOT to a Shaykh, but to your OWN ego because YOU just happen to follow that Shaykh.

    Do you know HOW many Shaykhs of Ahle Sunnah Wal Jammah who have WAY more followers than the Naqshbandi-Haqqani Tariqa actually WARN their students to stay away from the Haqqani Tariqa. I am talking about from Pakistan and India and Turkey and the Middle East. They all warn, NOT of Shaykh Nazim (May Allah Preserve him), but of the stupid fitnah that has inflicted his “Mureeds”, especially on the internet.

    You guys need to handle your laundry INDOORS and not on a public Internet Forum. Especially because you all claim to follow the same Shaykh. Has not one of you thought of the brilliant idea to approach your Shaykh and ask him to iron out all of this mess? Invite all of the parties and make a reconciliation, like they used to do in REAL TRADITIONAL Islam. A sit-down that doesn’t contain stupid comments and accusations of Kufr?!

    May Allah bless all of us with wisdom and may Allah save all of us from arrogance. Sall Allahu ‘Ala Habeebihi Muhammadan wa Alahi wa Barik wa Salam.

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61. 

    Muslim

    August 4, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    Asalamu Alaykum,

    Just one more comment. All this talk of representative and khalifa and deputies, etc. This discussion will destroy your Tariqat from the inside. The discussion that surrounds these maqams and positions that you have showed on this blog seems more like a tabloid or soap opera drama than a real, true chain of authority that is respected by the members and students of the path.

    Does it matter who the representative of the Tariqa will be in the future or who the deputy is, etc? Shaykh Nazim is alive. To me, this seems like a bunch of blood thirsty inheritors waiting for their master to die so they can finally decide who will take over his place. To discuss infront of your father who will get his car when he dies is obviously disrespectful and just bad behavior and manners. Until Shaykh Nazim decides who should replace his seat when he passes away (May Allah give him a long life), and publicly declares this will full clarity, why are YOU worrying about it? Seriously, if the Shaykh wants someone to be next in line, he is wise enough to publicly say so, and in a manner that everyone will hear him.

    But as yourselves why are you arguing about it now for? What difference will it make in your life right now? Why are you wasting your time worrying about who will replace him, when he is right now already in this world and someone who you can learn from.

    It baffles me that you cannot actually see how childish this argument is. It reminds me of local Masjid elections. It is very tasteless.

    Anytime I come across any of you guys, the first question that is asked is, “What Tariqa are you from?” without any smile on your faces. Then you get the 5 sentence commercial how no Tariqa exists these days that sticks to the traditional way of Tariqas like OUR Tariqa, etc etc. Get over yourselves.

    I do not mean to hurt anyone’s feelings or offend anyone, but all of you need to do some SERIOUS and SINCERE contemplation. Ask yourself if your mind has been concerend all day with what this shaykh said and what that shaykh said and what was on his website or that one’s website and “Tariqa Gossip” OR has your mind and heart been connected with the sincere Dhikr of Allah and His Messenger (Peace and Blessings be upon him) and ALL the Sahaba, Tabiin and Awliya Allah that have come to this world.

    If all you are concerned with are these petty politics that will mean nothing in the end, you have definitely lost your Ikhlas and Sincerity which you probably begain your journey to the path with, and I recommend you make a radical change in your life before you die. Matter of fact, you should go give ghusl to a Muslim brother and bury him to realize what you were doing all of this for in the first place.

    I honestly cannot tell you how disappointed and upset I am. I know you are not because you love this gossip and politics, but I really always had a good opinion of this group until recent events. The sad thing is, your Tariqa and groups are not the only ones plagued with this type of internal conflict, but you guys definitely take the trophy when it comes to publicly ADVERTISING your dirty laundry to the whole entire world, muslim and non-muslims without ANY concern for adab, shariah limits and and the reputation of your Tariqa. Again, Shame on You.

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62. 

    Jamal

    August 4, 2010 at 4:23 pm

    @Muslim
    bismillah
    wa’laykumsalaam

    Get a hold of yourself. Sahabi out and out fought each other with swords at times. Were you ‘dissappointed’ in them too? Or is there wisdom in that which you cannot see. If you don’t know, some arguing like this is even Sunnah, to give us an opportunity to fall into the sides of Haqq and Batil, to see our manners grow in the worst of situations and our look at the fruits of our resolve.

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63. 

    Muslim

    August 4, 2010 at 7:33 pm

    @Jamal

    Walaykum Asalaam,

    Actually, the actions of the Sahaba established several aspects of our Shariah. Their disagreements in matters of religion created certain aspects of our law that establish room for disagreement and limits of those disagreements, etc.

    However, those were the Sahabi. They were a part of establishing the Deen. What THEY did came down as DEEN for us. What WE DO doesn’t come down as Deen. I hope everyone will be in agreement that the ONLY sources that establish DEEN are the Holy Qur’an, the Sunnah, Ijma and Qiyas. And that Ijma and Qiyas has to do with learned scholars who are debating over matters that pertain to IMAN, and FIQH. The time of the Sahabas was a long time ago and they were a class of their own no one will ever match. That was a long time ago Br. Jamal. To compare your arguments to them is not logical.

    This argumentation has NOTHING to do with Haqq nor Batil. It is ignorant, childish argumentation. “He said, she said” baby argumentation rooted in jealousy. Any person who graduated the 8th grade can decipher that, and I am sure that the sincere brothers who are part of your Tariqa will agree with me.

    You (not specifically you) are arguing over a blog online, over snippets taken out of context from online videos to satisfy your egos in claiming your shaykh is better than the other.

    Like I said again, it is not only me who sees it this way. I don’t mean to sound rude if I do – sometimes internet language sounds disrespectful when it is really not, but just be honest with yourselves. Seriously, there is nothing more that needs to be established in terms of the Deen with If you are ALLOWED to call someone a Kafir on a blog or disrespect other people’s shaykh, who so happen to also be followers of your GrandShaykh.

    Wasalaam

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      Jamal

      August 4, 2010 at 11:07 pm

      “The time of the Sahabas was a long time ago and they were a class of their own no one will ever match. That was a long time ago Br. Jamal. To compare your arguments to them is not logical. ”

      Thats not logical. What the Sahabi did and the Prophet (AS) did is a great example for us. For you to throw it out because its a long time ago sounds ridiculous if not outright blasphemous. You can say what your take is on it… but there are Shaykhs involved here, where do you stand compared to any of them? This was the manners of the Tabayeen towards the Sahabi… They knew where they stood.

      The letter in this post isnt about videos its a direct public statement from one shaykh to another.

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64. 

    Muslim

    August 4, 2010 at 10:30 pm

    One other important note – which is why I decided to write this blog in the first place and I sort strayed.

    You know, as well as I do, that there is a serious attack against the fundamental practice, understanding and importance of Tasawwuf in our deen right now. Groups are trying to destroy the aspect of our Deen that truly will save ones’ inner self, which is the most important priority for a Muslim.

    Your bickering over the internet is going to turn away many individuals from pursuing more knowledge of your Tariqat and maybe others as well. Young muslims all over the world are living in times that are extremely confusing. There are 1,000 messages a day hitting their eyes and ears. Aren’t you guys worried they will come across your disputes that you post publicly and be turned off about Sufi Tariqas because of this?

    I know you will have arguments, but who gave you permission to dispute them on the internet. I keep saying this because I was initially attracted to this website because of the article Br. Yursil posted about C Sections. I like his interesting articles very much, but I did not research the website enough to see what else was being discussed on it and it upset me that the same argumentation within your Tariqa is also posted on his blog which is named “Mind, Body & Soul”. What does any of this have to do with Mind, Body or Soul?

    I seriously, seriously recommend that you brothers go straight to Shaykh Nazim and tell him everything because I believe that he is not being informed by both sides or 3 sides or however many sides there are, of the total truth. I think what is happening is that the true extent of the bickering is being left out by both sides, intentionally not to anger the Shaykh, and that is why he might not be aware that it has become a public cursing, takfeeri fest, with some of his top mureeds involved.

    If you believe that Shaykh Nazim is at the maqam he is, then believe in his power to resolve the issue. Do not FOOL yourselves that he is teaching you a lesson by allowing you guys to bicker. That doesn’t make any logical sense. A true Sufi Shaykh would NEVER allow a few minutes of disgraceful behavior of name calling and pointing fingers such as this, because he is attuned to the reality that any of his Mureeds can be taken by the Angel of Death at any second. He would never want his Mureeds to die with anger or argumentation of other Mureeds in his heart like this. I say again, you guys are in denial if you think this is some lesson. In some instances, with maybe older, much more wiser Mureeds and deputies, and in a totally different fashion (OFF the internet), I might buy that he is teaching them a lesson, but not for his regular internet browsing Mureeds. Be real to yourself.

    Forgive me for saying anything harshly or offensive. Asalamu Alaykum.

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      Jamal

      August 4, 2010 at 11:11 pm

      “A true Sufi Shaykh would NEVER allow a few minutes of disgraceful behavior of name calling and pointing fingers such as this, because he is attuned to the reality that any of his Mureeds can be taken by the Angel of Death at any second. He would never want his Mureeds to die with anger or argumentation of other Mureeds in his heart like this. ”

      Ridiculous. you have no idea what a true sufi shaykh is attuned to. if you do, then you should be a shaykh… otherwise please stay quiet on things that you know nothing about and ask to learn instead.

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65. 

    Muslim

    August 5, 2010 at 11:00 am

    @Jamal

    Salamu Alaykum,

    Well, I would argue I do have an idea because many of them write it in their books, and many of their students have written books about them so I do have a slight idea as to what goes on in a Shaykhs mind and life. Some idea.

    But you might be right, I might not understand the widsom in it.

    But again, from my perspective, I understand how a Shaykh can teach his students lessons of manners and adab just how parents sometimes let their children fight certain things out in order that they learn manners and how to share with each other. Key word here is CHILDREN.

    From my perspective, I see NO wisdom in allowing Mureeds to call each other KAFIR on a Blog! Which has obviously been done above. Would any one of you go to Shaykh Nazim and tell him Takfeer has been declared on both sides of each other’s shaykhs and students? Would he like this or would he hate this? There is NO lesson in this. This is Wahabi style argumentation/corruption.

    I can understand if he is testing his deputies with harsh trials and making them feel lower than another one to test their Egos, but at the same time, that is done with widsom. Not on a public forum, with the majority of his students who are going back and forth bickering with each other about “he said she said” things. To the point where now they have created feelings of hatred towards each other, as well as feelings that they believe the other is not even Muslim! This is definitely crossing the boundaries set forth by the Shariah, that NO shaykh can accept.

    Again, just print out a trasncript of this entire script on this blog, trasnlate if necessary into a language the Shaykh knows well, and let him read it and see what he says of your bickering. And don’t forget to tell him it is on a public forum that anyone in the world can see from their computer. I think he will slap the one who brings it to him. But the one who does, must have courage and a sincere intention to stop all of this bickering in your Tariqa. Just do it and see what happens.

    All the solutions to your problems lie in telling Shaykh Nazim the whole entire truth. Like I said again, it seems that both parties are not telling him the full extent of the bickering and hate for sake of being reprimanded by the Shaykh. I think you guys need to call a full open meeting with everyone present and discuss this with your Shaykh to end it. But as with many organizations, the nafs gets involved and many, many mureeds will not want this to end because it is a type of entertainment and drama they are addicted to at this point.

    Wasalaam

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66. 

    A Sufi

    August 5, 2010 at 2:48 pm

    Jamal and everyone else here is something that will insha’Allah end this fitna.

    Bismillahi ’r-Rahmani ’r-Raheem

    An Important message from Shaykh Adnan and Shaykh Hisham
    to all lovers and mureeds of Sultan al-Awliya Mawlana Shaykh Nazim

    Allah swt said:

    وَلِيَبْتَلِيَ اللّهُ مَا فِي صُدُورِكُمْ وَلِيُمَحَّصَ مَا فِي قُلُوبِكُمْ وَاللّهُ عَلِيمٌ بِذَاتِ الصُّدُورِ

    And [all this befell you] so that God might put to a test all that you harbor in your chests, and render your innermost hearts pure of all impurity; for God is aware of what is in the hearts [of men].

    Dear mureeds, lovers and students of Sultan al-Awliya Mawlana Shaykh Nazim al-Haqqani

    This is an important letter from Shaykh Adnan and Shaykh Hisham to everyone.

    We salute you with the greetings of Islam, as-salaam `alaykum and we wish you Happy Ramadan and we ask that Allah swt bless you in the coming holy month.

    As we enter the sacred month of fasting, it is important to come with a clean heart, carrying no ill-will towards anyone. Awliyaullah have different ways of testing their followers. Our master, Mawlana Shaykh Nazim, may use any means he chooses to test a mureed, a group of mureeds, or even everyone in tariqah.

    The recent discussions that took place on the internet were a way by which our master, Mawlana Shaykh Nazim, tested those mureeds who have come to tariqah through the doors of Shaykh Adnan and Shaykh Hisham. Everyone was placed under this test to see who would pass and who would fail.

    The Shaykh is not in need of the test, for he knows the hearts of the mureeds, but the purpose of the test is for each person to evaluate himself or herself in the path of Gnostics.

    Alhamdulillah this test has now been completed and it revealed that people gave their love and support to the shaykh whom they knew best. The mureeds showed their love to either of us: Shaykh Adnan or Shaykh Hisham. Now that this test is over, it is important to know that Grand Shaykh (may Allah swt sanctify his soul) said “Shaykh Adnan and Shaykh Hisham are like the two sides of a bean split open. They complete each other.”

    We both would like to thank everyone who showed their support and their love to us. We want to remind everyone and stress that we are one. We are brothers in tariqah and by blood. We are like two hands, one cannot clap without the other.

    As we said awliya use tests. And this test was a means to evaluate everyone’s love to Shaykh Adnan and Shaykh Hisham. All that has been said on different forums, blogs, Facebook sites and other websites were put there only a means of testing the mureeds. Now that the test has ended we must remind mureeds of Mawlana Shaykh that there is no conflict between us, Shaykh Adnan and Shaykh Hisham. We also wish to say that there is no way that anyone can separate us, Shaykh Adnan and Shaykh Hisham. We are always one face, one body, one person, one spirit and one soul.

    We are looking to better future for everyone and to put in mind that at any moment there can be a test. As Allah said:

    أَوَلاَ يَرَوْنَ أَنَّهُمْ يُفْتَنُونَ فِي كُلِّ عَامٍ مَّرَّةً أَوْمَرَّتَيْنِ

    Are they, then, not aware that they are being tested year-in, year-out?(9:126)

    We remind the mureeds of Mawlana Shaykh that in the way of tariqah tests never end, so be careful and maintain your discipline.

    We remind the readers that Shaykh Abdullah Daghestani (q) and Sultan al-Awliya Mawlana Shaykh Nazim (q) authorized both Shaykh Adnan and Shaykh Hisham to call, advise and guide people from any country to tariqah and to Sultan al-Awliya Mawlana Shaykh Nazim.

    May Allah swt bless everyone and we congratulate you as we prepare to enter the holy month of Ramadan.

    Sincerely,

    Shaykh Adnan Kabbani and Shaykh Hisham Kabbani

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      Burhan

      August 5, 2010 at 4:50 pm

      As-salaamu alaikum,

      I’m not a mureed in this tariqa, but saw that message and was not impressed. It’s very suspect and sounds like a post hoc explanation for something that in fact went down very different. Testing mureeds by Facebook and blog postings? Come on. This is depressing. If they wish to end something, end it honestly and forthrightly, don’t dance around with scripture and weird claims of testing. Just keep it simple. Subhan Allah.

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        Rabbani

        November 12, 2010 at 2:05 am

        Nor would you ever become a murid if you believed this foolishness. Let us hear a direct and confirmed letter from Sheikh Adnan, I think not. What is correct, is the hearts have been assigned to the leaders they deserve. We get the leaders we deserve. Mawlana Sheikh Nazim is our leader and only real example to follow, as Sheikh Adnan often says.

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67. 

    Jonathan Dupree

    October 19, 2010 at 3:32 pm

    With the name of Allah, Peace be unto those who follow the guidance from their Lord.

    So if this was all just a test than who is the successor of Sheikh Nazim?

    Something very fishy is going on indeed.

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68. 

    massi

    December 16, 2010 at 6:48 am

    I was reading this page today. What a mess Gibril is. He counters Sheikh adnans letter point by point but insists he is not attacking Sheikh adnan. His mind is certainly muddled. Senility I believe. Or sheer madness. Listen, you foolish one. SHEIKH ADNAN WROTE THIS LETTER. So when you attack this letter , you are attacking Sheikh Adnan. I have seen nuts in my time, but never a nut and bolt like you

    Massi

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69. 

    shakir

    December 17, 2010 at 2:36 am

    Gibril rambles on. Pay no heed. He talks no sense. Never did anyway. Lapdog of Sheikh Hisham. Rambling Dude just Rambles on. Or should I say Rambling Monologue Man. I have seen him humbled by a girl. She knew far more about the teachings of Muhiyudin Ibn al arabi than he would in a thousand years.

    Shakir of Spain

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70. 

    Abu Ali

    December 25, 2010 at 6:49 am

    Assalamu alaikum, May Allah give Shaykh Nazim a long life because after he leaves this abode this tariqa will finish. Allah knows best. A million will claim to be the main shaykh of the tariqa. The public fighting seen on this forum is a good indication of the begining of the end. There is nothing worse than tariqa politics.

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      Water

      December 28, 2010 at 10:20 am

      Salaam Abu Ali,

      You can’t seem to hide your shiftiness. You mean, the Nakshibandi way, the main branch of all tariqats, the sunnat of Prophet SAWS, into which all other tariqats are melding, will finish after the worldly death of Shaykh Mawlana Nazim, May Allah continue to grant him long and healthy life? Interesting. You don’t seem to have much faith in Allah and His Prophet. Do you mean to say this Ummat will be left alone without a guide? When since the beginning of Adam (AS) did that happen, man living on this earth without a guide? Never.

      Furthermore, I’m sure I can think of some things that are worse than tariqa politics, but rest assured, no matter who claims what, there will ALWAYS be a true successor. Always has, always will. Otherwise, the next day is Qayamat for any believers left on this earth.

      – to think what you are saying, “…this tariqa will finish”. You are no one to say such a thing. Go and sit down somewhere and think about your death. Salaamat.

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        MD. Murad ul HOQUE

        February 3, 2011 at 12:09 pm

        ***A’uzubillahi minash-shatanir Rajim!***
        ***Bismillahir Rahmaanir Rahiim!***

        May ALLAH’s (Supreme) Peace & Blessings be upon our beloved Prophet Muhummod {S.A.W}, whom is ALLAH’s Beloved Messenger!, and upon his {S.A.W} companions, wives, families, the (Four) Mujtahid Imams, and all Awliya and Anbiya [AMiN]!
        ================
        Greeting’s my dear respected brothers in Islam!

        BROTHERS!! Why do we waste our time in discussions which may not benefit us in the akhira, when we could have conversations on things that would 101% (insha ALLAH) give us fortune in the Life Here After, such as the word, la ilaha illALLAH! There is no god but ALLAH! or subhan ALLAH! Glory belongs to ALLAH; shall we see how much wonders one can say about the Oneness of ALLAH or the Glory of ALLAH, instead trying to degrade one another or trying to seem like as if anyone of us are any better than the people here or those we see when we step outside of our houses!

        This isn’t written just for the poeple by the name of, Water, or Abu Ali, Shakir, Jonathan Dupree, Massi, Rabbani, Burhan or anyone else, but to all of us as a reminder, because I am not any better than anyone, it’s more possible that i am the worse, and ALLAHu alam..
        RasoolALLAH {S.A.W} said, “Love for your brother (in Islam) and your neighbour whatever you love (to have) for yourself”; therefore we all love Jannah (Paradise) for ourselves, hence, we should love Jannah for our brothers in deen and our neighbours, by reminding one another of the Mercy of ALLAH, the Kindness of RasoolALLAH {S.A.W} and the Patience of all the Anbiya and the Awliya.

        May ALLAH the Guide help us in our character, deeds, speech, mannaers and enable us to love one another for the sake of ALLAH Jalla jalaluhu!
        (AMIN)

        Takbir!
        ALLAHu Akbar!

        Takbir!
        ALLAHu Akbar!

        Takbir!
        ALLAHu Akbar!

        Salam.

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71. 

    VoxHumana

    December 29, 2010 at 8:00 am

    I am truly saddened by the infighting within the Tariqa. I pray to God Almighty to give us the strength and guide and show us to the Truth – Insya-Allah. To all my brothers and sisters, let us not fight but let us unite and come together as one ummah. Amin.

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72. 

    Gregory Andrews

    January 27, 2011 at 6:50 pm

    Bismillah hir Rahman ar Rahim:

    From the servant of Mouwlana Shaykh Nazim al-Haqqani, Sultan al-Athfiyah wal Awliya

    I would like to express my sadness that there is now in-fighting between our brothers. Let us not argue.

    Allah ta`ala says: “Hold tightly to the Rope of Allah and divide not”

    Honestly, let’s end this talk of testing. After looking at this, people are going to run away from our tariqah. Forget it, leave it behind

    And Allah knows best

    Gregory “Mustefa” Andrews

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    KR

    February 3, 2011 at 8:39 pm

    What does it matter who is the next in line after MWS Nazim ? SHK or SAK? the fact is all this bickering and nonsense about who should be or who is, is the work of Shaytan. I have a 15 year old brother and sister who do not care so long as the teaching from grand shaykh are followed. People maybe wiser than me on this forum and alhamdulliah good, but if a child can see that all this is nonsense surely everyone who is of a mature age should step back and look at it from a view point of the ‘innocence’

    Alhamdulliah I am a Murid of Shaykh Naizim and MSH and MSA are his deputies to help guide us.
    quoted from Grand Shaykh that MSH and MSA are like a Tasbi (prayer beeds) split in half. They are EQUAL.. lOGICALLY TO GAIN FULL CAPACITY OF THE WHOLE TASBI THE TASBI MUST BE UNITED!! ONE WITH OUT THE OTHER IS NO MORE THAN THE OTHER.

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    Md. Murad ul HOQUE

    February 10, 2011 at 4:21 pm

    …. how long does it take for these message to come up? I’v placed in a few more, yet there not here…

    Subhan ALLAH.

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