These videos demonstrate that Seyh Abdul Kerim is Khalifa of Sheykh Maulana Nazim in America.
It also answers, very clearly, later on in the video why Sheykh Abdul Kerim goes to different masjids in Lefke (it is upon the request of Seyh Maulana).
Untitled from Haqqani OSMANLI on Vimeo.
SAHHIBULZAMAN and SEYH of MEHDI (a.s.) SEYH MOHAMMED NAZIM KIRBISI from Yusuf Dikici on Vimeo.
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BismillahiRahmaniRahim
Well, shahzad, I believe that THIS should settle any uneasiness you have. You can’t get it any clearer from the Source – and you dont have to, mashAllah, be a direct murid of Seyh Mevlana for 19 years (!) to understand what Mevlana said here. Alhamdulillah we’ve known this all along, but it might help you to understand a little bit, if you’re still around….
to those who doubt, are you still there…? if you need a “second opinion” turkish translation, I believe that Seyh Mevlana used extremely accessible language to directly and unequivocally express his sentiments. but here you go in case:
bizim – our (http://www.turkishdictionary.net/?word=bizim)
halife – you seem to know this one already
Amerika’da – in America
But again, this is just for those who doubt, shahzad. As Osmanli said, the caravan will continue and it has continued with the permission and blessing of Seyh Mevlana and the blessing of Seyh Abdul Kerim Hz. and His Family members.
selam aleykum
Bismillahir Rahmaanir Rahiim
MashaAllah, it just can’t get any clearer than this. i’m sure there are those who will still argue, because that is what they enjoy doing, the only way they can keep attention on themselves. For those who sincerely want to know the truth, it is before them. For those who are intent on spreading falsehood, no amount of “proof” will deter them. But Allah knows what is in hearts.
Mashallah, That is so clear, almost as clear as when Moulana said “his work is finshed in America” why do you ignore that one?
eh shahtan, now you put words in Maulana’s mouth with quotes.
don’t expect to get approved here any longer.
Maulana said “there is not much more work to do in America”, and that was 2 years ago. Now when Maulana is bringing Seyh Abdul Kerim to Anatolia, people are complaining. Yet still, in 2010 Seyh Abdul Kerim is Maulanas Khalifa in America. Alhamdulillah. Weren’t you questioning that?
Anadolu, İslamdolu from Haqqani OSMANLI on Vimeo.
Oh it’s me putting words in Maulana – watch the video “not much work to do” you’ve just made that up!
00:16 minutes in the video
Salaamu Alaikum Wr Wb
BismillahHirRahmanNirRahim
Meded
Brother/Sister Shahzad do you have any understanding of the turkish language ?
From the begining Sultan states”.. his working on a building once its finished I shall bring you to here, there is not much work in America to do, leave a wakil (a representive) there, with permission i shall bring you here…”
Go and learn turkish my friend. As myself im turkish and can speak it and understand it, and my family from my mothers side is from Sultans village, doubt me if you want on the translation of this video.
Seriously please enough hate, and bickering your behaviour doesn’t suit you.
Allah Hafiz
BismillahirRahmanirRahim
Am I the only person here with a sense of irony? You are praising Sheykh Hisham for being the son-in-law of Sheykh Mawlana. A relative. Not even through a blood. And…Abu Lahab was the Uncle of the Holy Prophet (AS). And he was his worst enemy…
And the majority of Prophets were opposed by their relations. Nuh (AS) by his son. Lut (AS) by his wife…
So why is it a praise to call Sheykh Hisham the son-in-law of Sheykh Mawlana?
Judge the situation on the merits. The man is, unprovoked, attacking another representative of Sheykh Mawlana without any basis or reason. And you are defending him.
Do you know what you are? You are stuck in a story that you would rather believe than the truth. In this story, Shaykh Mawlana is (hasha astagfirullah) an old man who cannot really be the Sultan al-Awliya anymore. For that reason, he has appointed two brothers, Sheykh Hisham and Sheykh Adnan, to represent him and to do all the work of the Tarikat. They are the only doors to Mawlana and everyone else is either just a Zikr leader or a liar making claims. Sheykh Hisham is blessed by Grandshaykh Abdullah Dagestani and is the son-in-law of Mawlana and for that reason is infallible and cannot make mistakes. As for Sheykh Abdul Kerim, he is just a false person claiming to be a Khalifa of Mawlana whereas he is a nobody. (hasha astagfirullah.)
Yet when the the Truth comes out, as in this video, you deny it. You would rather believe the fairy-tale than the Truth. When Sheykh Mawlana is supporting Sheykh Abdul Kerim, you wink to each other and say, yes there is a secret behind this action. You fool, do you think that the Sultan al-Awliya is duping people??? You would rather believe the fairy-tale than the Plain Truth that is in front of you. As Allah (SWT) says in the Quran, their hearts, their eyes, and their hearing has been sealed. We do not deny that Sheykh Hisham is representing Sheykh Mawlana. We will never deny the word of Sheykh Mawlana. But you do. Allah Allah, trying your hardest and squirming to get out of the Order of Sultan al-Awliya. It’s okay. People did that so they didn’t have to follow Hz. Abu Bakr. You know what we call them today? Shiites. Also, people didn’t believe that Shaykh Mawlana Nazim was the real Representative of Grandshaykh Abdullah Dagestani………
Wake up Shahzad Bhai. Be on the side of Haqq. Mahdi (AS) is coming soon, and his sword is taking names…
BismilllahirRahmanirRahim
Mash’Allah. Well said, Ghulam Rasool.
Sheykh Abdul Kerim ! Mash’Allah! Insh’Allah I hope one day to follow him in his generosity. Sheykh Mevlana’s choice of name for our Sheykh fits him perfectly, Mash’Allah.
Brother Ghulam Rasool – i didn’t praise Shaykh Hisham for being the son-in-law of Moulana, if you read my post i said clearly, “if you cannot respect Shaykh Hisham as Khalifa, then at least respect him for being the son-in-law of Maulana” it was a response to OsmaniTurk who called Shaykh Hisham a dog!
Although Shaykh Hisham is related to Moulana through blood as they are both Sayyids.
PS: According to the Hanafis it is not permissible for a Sayyid woman to marry a non-Sayyid
The more i am learning about Shaykh Abdul kerim the more i like him, as i said in my opening post i don’t know much about him, but was enquiring after seeing the initial video against him. As i said i have been a murid for 19 years and only recently heard about Shaykh Abdul Kerim. Althought the defensive gang on this blog have assumed wrongly that iam some “Michigan lacky” – i don’t even reside the USA!
There are clearly some very sincere people on this blog – “Sufi” for one but others need to re-evaluate what they are protecting Haq or EGO!
Salaamu Alaikum Wr Wb
BismillahHirRahmanNirRahim
Brother/Sister Shazad,
Read carefully of all the brothers/sisters whom are writing to you, please do not incite more anger here, you will get no benefit here or hereafter seriously stop, shaikh hisham done a mistake admit it, him being a shaikh a khalifa a awilua or not, the public mocking and slander was injustice, go and view the video’s here and see how much Sultan loves Shaikh Abdul Kerim and refers to him as my Khalifa, there are always 2 sides to a tale, listen to both, so far here its so so so obvious and so so so clear, do not deny your eyes and heart to the truh to the clear picture put here infront of you.
Allah Hafiz
Sufi, You’re right i’m taking leave from this. Whatever Shaykh Hisham did, it certainly brought up the hate that people have of him too. If people believe it was wrong for Shaykh Hisham to do that then two wrongs do not make a right.
I do believe this is from Moulana to test Shaykh Abdul Kerim, but that is my opinion.
Keep me in your duas.
Btw, i’m Shazad, i don’t hide my identity, i’m Male!
Salaamu Alaikum Wr Wb
BismillahHirRahmanNirRahim
brother Shazad, point one
the sohbet brought up emotions and frustation of the on going dilema which others here has addressed not hate, as you have seen for yourself, do not please confuse the two
secondly ask yourself why so much emotions being brought up here.
thirdly history shows that this isn’t the first time of slanders and accusations, though never ever made publicly of this scale before in the history of the tarqiat as far as im aware of.
forth and final you have to weight it up the evidence which shows Shaikh Hisham truely falling out of adab, with the name calling and addressing a fellow khalifa to the likes of Abu Lahab, also i have heard that Shaikh Abdul Kerim helped Shaikh Hisham when he first arrived to America, please brother Yursil and others correct me if im wrong here, so why the slander, and accusations, this shall be brought up in the divine courts most definitely, and yes your right 2 wrongs do not make a right, though you have to consider the points ive addressed to you. And Indeed everyday is a test and we are also being tested, though throwing curses to a fellow muslim brother, from a khalifa to a khalifa, of what ive learnt if you curse someone injustly it shall redirect back onto the curser. And Allah knows best.
Again i pray that this fitna ends, for whatever reason why it was opened may it be closed for good InshaAllah.
Allah Hafiz
Shazad,
We gathered as much you were male and that your name is Shazad. And? So what you don’t hide your identity. Your flippant remarks and you antagonizing Hakkanis gives your identity honor? Mash’Allah! This is special. As for hate, We hate the action against our Beloved Sheykh. I truly wonder if you would deliberate with the same “diplomacy” if it was Sheykh Mevlana Hz himself under the same type of attack. Or will you sit quietly, and say – It is “GrandSheykh’s test”.? Or will you defend him with your life? Holy Prophet (ASWS) was under the same type of attacks in his time. What did the Blessed Sahabis(RA) do? Convince your own self with your confusion.
There are 124,000 Awliyah in this world. Do all of them go about “testing” themselves in the opposite of the tradition of the Holy Prophet (ASWS) and their head, Sultan ul Awliyah?
What secret is this? Maybe only the 19-years long murids know the mystery behind such polar opposite behavior. You are making confusion only to yourself to say it is a test from Sheykh Mevlana Hz, and even if it is, what is your role in it? None. What authority do you have to plant yourself within that capacity, to judge with that stick? None.
With his video, Sh. Hisham made a witness out of maybe thousands to his diatribe and character assassination of Sheykh Abdul Kerim Effendi Hz, and the resulting condescending laughter from his murids in a verbal assault which was un-provoked, and un-retaliated. Thousands who include murids and non-murids. Hakkanis and other Naksibendis, and maybe all other tariqats, as well as Muslims, Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, have been exposed to this slander. Will you count them and say they have not?
Many who watch or have already watched this video will know nothing but confusion about a matter unrelated to them. They will only know the vitriol of a man dressed in Sunnat, a deputy of Sultan ul Awliyah insulting another deputy of Sultan ul Awliyah. Each will assign him or herself to one or another side, without knowing all or any of the facts. Or they will think to stay far away from this matter, maybe even shutting their heart to Tariqat because of the lack of manner on display. So now, according to you, AFTER Sheykh Abdul Kerim Effendi Hz “passes his test”, who will go out and enlighten the confused? To all those who have watched it and made up their minds about Sh. Hisham, Sheykh Abdul-Kerim Effendi Hz, Sheykh Mevlana Hz, Naksibendis, Tariqat and even Islam, Who will undo that damage>You? Sh. Hisham, the owner of that video? No. You won’t. He won’t. Yursil and a few others are trying to untangle the matter here, but the vast amount of damage is done – The enemies of Islam who have watched that video are laughing. Who is to blame> The owner of the video is to blame.
You, Shazad, of course will NOT be helping in any of that. You’ll sit in your comfort zone, Mash’Allah, attempting to joust and parry our Sheykh’s defenders. How noble of you, Shazad, Male.
Confuse yourself. Others are already confused. We are not, Alhamdulillah. If we are guilty of anything, it is the extreme nature of our reaction to the extreme nature of one-sided attacks on our beloved Sheykh, who works day and night to put the love of Allah and His Holy Prophet (ASWS) in our hearts in the tradition of His Sheykh, Sheykh Mevlana Nazim al Hakkani. Fitnah is awake because of this video. Wake up!
So either Defend HAKK and Hakkanis or Attack HAKK and Hakkanis. But don’t think you are slick enough that you can sit on the fence, then when the dust clears, run to whichever side is the victor, and finesse your way to safety. There were people like that in the Prophet (ASWS)’s time as well. Trust me when I say that fence is imaginary, and it will NOT be a safety net for you.
At least you have the sense to step down – One has to wonder what your purpose and role was in this entire debacle. Good Luck to you in whatever that is. It is “confusing” nonetheless.
Sheykh Mevlana Hz is the definition of honor and his name gives honor to those who follow his sunnat, because it is the Sunnat of the Holy Prophet (ASWS). Sheykh Abdul-Kerim Effendi’s honor is Mash’Allah intact, and will continue to be raised higher and higher in the sunnat of his Sheykh.
There is one left, however, who hasn’t behaved in keeping that same honor, that manner. And it is no secret who that one is, and there is no question in our minds that he is DIS-honorable for doing so.
Mas’Salaam
Bismillahir-rahmanir-rahim
As Salamu alaykum!
Can somebody please tell me what this is all about?! Shaykh Hisham did this, Shaykh Abdulkerim did that….?!
Mevlana Shaykh Nazim q.s. is still alive, is still in power, he is the connection to Muhammed a.s. and through them we connect to Allah almighty! You’ve got the whole tree in front of you to climb, but you keep on discussing about its branches…?! Is this the right behaviour of real Naqshbandis? Real Ottomans? To keep discussing about such stupid things?!
Yeah, before somebody answears: I watched this vid right now, I understood what Mevlana q.s. said…..so what? You want one Khalifa for the U.S.? Allah s.t. made mankind as His s.t. Khalifa on earth, and you keep on discussing about one for each continent….peanuts…..c’mon, get yourselves together brothers and sisters! This is not our way…and to quote Muhammed s.a.w.s.: “There is no benefit in a case in which Brothers (Muslims) do not come to a same conclusion!” Both sides do not come to a same conclusion: guess what…
As Salamu alaykum!
BismillahirRahmanirRahim
Salamualaykum
It’s not about one or more khalifas, its about assault, takfir, and fitnah
http://sufilive.com/Abu_Lahab_Umm_Lahab_part_2-2351.html
Watch for yourself.
Bismillahir Rahmaanir Rahiim
Asalaamu alaikum.
Dear brother Hamad,
It is not befitting of an Osmanli to speak when he doesn’t know what the discussion is about. No one has ever suggested that there should only be one khalifa in the U.S. No one has ever questionned Sh Kabbani’s status as a khalifa of Sh Maulana. Rather than ranting foolishly and ignorantly, you should either A) stay out of something (if you didn’t know what this was really about, what led to all this discussion, you should have considered yourself blessed to have avoided the fitnah), or B) educate yourself fully before speaking. As Yursil has said, this entire situation was caused by a video that you can watch for yourself. Then, having watched it, having educated yourself as to what the situation is, you can either defend the fitnah within that video or you can distance yourself from it. There are, unfortunately two sides to this issue: one side is that which speaks dishonorably and manipulates from a place of power to spread filth against another shaykh, and the other side is those who would shed the light of truth on those accusations. If you do not know which side you are on, you would do best to keep your comments to yourself and not advise those who are on the side of truth.
BismillahirRahmanirRahim
Selam aleykum,
I have seen the videos and investigated everything…i think Seyh Abdul Kerim is right and Seyh Hisham is wrong. Thank you.
p.s. Osmanli turk – you are very funny and i think you have a good heart.
Bismillahir-rahmanir-rahim
Dear sister Aaminah, I’m really sorry! I didn’t know that you’re on the side of truth, mashallah!
“Whoever thinks that I’m right, is wrong!” (M. Shaykh Nazim q.s. quote…..nice one, right? 
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As you can see in my former post, I asked what is this all about, brother Yursil (shuqran) posted this video which I didn’t know, now I’m “educated”, mashallah
My position ’bout this….I’m not worth to call myself anything! If you claim you’re Ottoman, it’s yours, I didn’t post that I’m one! Fact is: Sh. Hisham and Sh. Abdulkerim are khalifa of Mevlana Sh. Nazim q.s., enough videos proving this, Mevlana q.s. saying both are…and all of you take this quotes from both sides personal – I’m repeating what I’ve posted yesterday: We connect to Mevlana Shaykh Nazim q.s.! We won’t be judged for the words and deeds of others, but for ours.
They don’t like each other? So what! Is this our concern? Guess not! You’re too occupied with the faults of others to check your own ones….Yes, that’s my last post, even if you answear, I’m not going to read it inshallah!
Let the dogs bark, the caravan keeps on travelling….that’s what I’ll do inshallah…(no, I’m not calling anyone of you a dog, this is a metaphor….”too many Abu Lahabs and Umm Lahabs around here”
Salams
BismillahirRahmanirRahim
With Hamad now we can see the fruits of teaching people to call people Abu Lahab and Umm Lahab in sohbet, what a great gift of manners your Sh taught you
Hyder Ali,
It is clear from your comments that your knowledge of Tariqa and Islamic history is limited, looks like you have been watching far too many cartoons about ottoman conquest!
>> I truly wonder if you would deliberate with the same “diplomacy” if it was Sheykh Mevlana >>Hz himself under the same type of attack. Or will you sit quietly, and say – It >>is “GrandSheykh’s test”.? Or will you defend him with your life?
Read Mercy Oceans book 1 and 2 where Moulana himself expresses how Grandsheikh would test him through other mureeds or by himself, sometimes using swear words!
Infact Shaykh Abdal Aziz Dabbagh asked his mureed to bring his fathers head to him, read Kitabal Ibriz!
That aside, Sahaba fought each other, do we condemn them! Some of the Sahaba sided with one group some the other, and others walked away from the conflicts.
Mureeds fought each other and when the Shaykhs passed away, Deputies fought each other!
What does all this teach us? that fundamentally human nature remains the same, unless there is a real desire to change ones condition, come what may!
All the tariqas are not the same, if they were, we would not have over 40 different turuq. If you already know how and what a teacher will teach, why bother joining a tariqa!
You speak of democracy and how Moulana condems it. Why does he condemn it, because unlike Islamic governance it teaches that everyone has the right to rule and everyone has the “right” to redress wrongs. But islamic governance teaches to accept those that are in authority – the Sultan and his wazirs – The Sultan has the right to redress the wrongs of his wazirs not anyone! if we all start condemeing the wazirs, what difference would there be between us and the khawarij!
Similarly if our Sultan redresses the “wrongs” that have occured here, then let him clarify it. I have had word from Cyprus that Moulana knows (what else do we expect!)about what has occured in the last week, so if he condemns, attacks, confirms he as a Sultan has the right to, we do including have no right!
Not sure why everyone here is using the Bush philosophy of “you’re with us or against us ” I thought you were Osmanlis not Bushites
BismillahirRahmanirRahim
“everyone has the “right” to redress wrongs.” – That is Shariat, not democracy. In democracy there is no protection for the minority… the majority dictates what is justice, therefore they make new laws to suit themselves.
In Ottoman times the porter could redress a wrong committed by a Vezir. Justice is justice, and it is defined by Allah. That is the difference.
Sahabi sided with one group or the other.. exactly, and then they fought each other. And within the sides of the Sahabi there were leaders and followers. Exactly. And there were some who walked away. OK.
So which group are you in in today’s action?
Those who walked away also stayed silent, but you haven’t been silent. You’ve been correcting others, for example, correcting the sincere words of Hyder Ali with this nonsense.
You’ve even gone to the extent of quoting Maulana completely off-base to reaffirm your own ideology. You will backtrack every proof with every other comment full of some twisted interpretation.
Now we have one side attacking, and this side is putting a simple facts for you to read, hear and listen. Come to your conclusion and/or leave them alone. But every fact that has been put in your face, has been twisted to try to see things in some unimaginable way.
So you heard from Cyprus that Maulana knows.. MashAllah, of course he knows. What else did you hear? Did you understand yet where Sh Abdul Kerim is in Maulana’s eyes? Did you realize yet? The Sultan isn’t sending you to us to fix things, is he?
Maulana has a direction on everything which overarches and guides us all, we don’t do anything without looking to seek guidance from the Holy Ones.
Seyh Maulana was tested by Grandsheikh.. so? What is your point? Where are the cursing from Maulana today? Is Michigan like Shaykh Maulana that they can curse everyone and test them? Are you now putting some deputy above him now? Will Maulana now be cursed by his murids? I think such days are coming soon, Ahir Zaman, because they don’t like what Maulana is doing.
BismillahirRahmanirRahim,
All the ‘reading’ in the world, does not make a mureed.
Why are you continuing this? Do you just want the last word, and aim to drive those who respond to your fitnah, into the ground with your flawed understanding?
What good is it to boast of your myopic perspectives on what the holy saints have said or done, when you have lost all semblance of manners?
And now you are hinting at how Shaykh Maulana should deal with the filth that you started?
Your arrogance and stubbornness, knows no limits.
>>In Ottoman times the porter could redress a wrong committed by a Vezir. Justice is >>justice, and it is defined by Allah. That is the difference.
Of course, but the porter could not redress the wrongs himself, he would need to go to someone with authority, which is the point, Not simply point up the injustices on a blog and sit back!
>>Seyh Maulana was tested by Grandsheikh.. so? What is your point? Where are the cursing from Maulana today? Is Michigan like Shaykh Maulana that they can curse everyone and test them? Are you now putting some deputy above him now? Will Maulana now be cursed by his murids? I think such days are coming soon, Ahir Zaman, because they don’t like what Maulana is doing.
you seem to be missing the point.
I’m not actually redressing any wrongs here, I’m making awareness of the injustices and facts known. Plenty examples of that in history. Redressing will be taken care of by the Sultan, of course. I don’t have any executory power in my hands. What I do have is a medium of sharing facts, videos, pictures…
And whats the point?
Bismillahir Rahmaanir Rahiim
Asalaamu alaikum.
Let’s make this very simple… small words so everyone can understand IF THEY SINCERELY WANTED TO UNDERSTAND:
There are three options in this situation.
Option 1: You support the idea that slander and lies and vitriole are an acceptable way for one shaykh to speak of another. You support name-calling and disrespect, and you think it’s great that it was done publicly as well. You care nothing about truthfulness or adab. You only care about ego-boosting and enjoy eating the flesh of your brothers and sisters.
Option 2: You support telling the truth, no matter who that truth is for or against. You support justice. You are offended that anyone would speak so disrespectfully, and even more offended because it was also dishonest. You cannot wrap your head around why someone would behave so badly but you cannot condone it. You also cannot understand why someone would spew garbage about a man who has sat back and patiently watched it unfold. Maybe you love this man and his wife, who are being spoken of. Maybe they are like your own parents. Maybe you do not know them at all, but you can clearly see that they are loved by the Sultan who you serve. AlhamdulAllah.
Option 3: You decide that you don’t want to “pick a side” and you don’t want to be involved with this situation. You decide to stay out of things all together because you know the limits of your knowledge and wish to not get involved in something that either doesn’t pertain to you or you at least would rather remain silent than to say something you will answer to Allah for.
The funny thing is this: so many commentors have gone for a fourth option. They have taken option 3 but decided that, although they say they don’t want to pick a side, although they claim to be “neutral”, they somehow have a right to continuously attack or advise those who chose option 2. Well, if you attack those who chose option 2 (being the option of speaking the truth), then you are in fact supporting option 1. You are just too hypocritical and dishonest to stand up and say so. But Allah knows what is in your hearts. And you are so transparent that the rest of us can see it as well. Some people keep promising that they are done meddling in this and yet they keep returning and trying to stir the pot some more.
Yes, in real life, you really are for or against the truth. You can legitimately stay out of discussion and wait for the truth to manifest itself without your interference. AlhamdulAllah if that is the path you choose. But if you know the truth and keep trying to hide it, to mix it up, to confuse what is what, then you have chosen a side afterall and everyone can see which it is.
salaam brothers and sisters,i am from slough uk,i watched the video of shaykh hishams attack on shaykh abdul kerim,now my view on this whole matter is that its between shaykh hisham,shaykh abdul kerim and the sultan himself..end of discusion,we are all chooseing sides and in some posts being rude to another,this is not the way of islam and of our tariqah,i understand some people are form shaykh hsihams camp,if that is the right word to say and others are in shaykh abdul kerims,in my view they both are with mawlana and are his khalifah and mawlana knows about this all,the test is for the mureeds,some people might say its not between two people because shaykh hsiham attacked shaykh abdul kerim,i understand your view point,but were not scholars,yes it was made public but still its between these two great people,hadrat ali and hadrat aisha went to war,i know shazad haz sed this but i feel as sultans followers we should leave it to him and and try to correct our wrongs inside,saying this i can understand peoples sadnes in this video and i felt the same but i will not condemn shaykh hisham nor wil i condemn shaykh abdul kerim,if this is sitting on the fence then im afraid ur wrong,this is called knowing tht mawlana has blessed them both and all issues are for him to comment on,i hope this makes sense and forgive me if i sound silly or have sed anything rudely,i love you alla nd pray tht we all enter paradise even non muslims,may allah forgive us…fatihah for mawlana
Bismillahi Rahmani Rahim
Asalaam Alaykum,
Brother Ateeq, you sound like a reasonable person, but I think you fail to realize the gravity of the situation. When I saw Sheikh Hisham’s sohbet attacking my Shiekh, I was shocked. He went all out and basically declared war on Sheikh Abdul Karim. I am new to all this, but even I can see that this was beyond the bounds. He did cross a line. Not only did he attempt to insult Sheikh Abdul Karim, but he indirectly insulted Sheikh Nazim. Knowing full well that Sheikh Nazim has welcomed and honored Shiekh Abdul Karim with various symbolic gestures, gifts of land, etc. And to turn around and attack him basically amounts to Sheikh Hisham saying that Sheikh Nazim does not know what he is doing (astaghfarallah). What is sheikh hisham saying between the lines here? Is the saying Sheikh Nazim is gullible, being duped, a simpleton, wrong, a senile old man? Astaghfarallah! Sheikh Nazim has controlled his own nafs and reached such high stations, you don’t think he would recognize a trickster taking advantage of him? What do you think any reasonable and dignified person from sheikh Nazim’s standpoint would think in such a situation? Not only has Sheikh Hashim attempted to insult Sheikh Abdul Karim, but he has embarrased Sheikh Nazim. There is no room for neutrality here. Lets face facts brothers! I know you all mean well by saying lets be netural, but you cannot justify a wrong action on Sheikh Hisham’s part.
Sometimes it is wrong to be polite and neutral for the sake of being polite and neutral. Its not reasonable to run in a burning house to save a child, but stopping to take your shoes off. Our egos can use virtue as a tool against us too. The Prophet SAWS and early Muslims had to kill to protect Islam’s message from being extinguished. We have to kill a defenseless animal everytime we eat meat. Are those things nice , neutral and polite? No, but Haqq demands it of us. I think Sheikh Abdul Hakim’s group has every right to defend their Sheikh so vigorously and I stand with them. Sheikh Abdul Karim is the most noble person I have ever met and these LIES cannot be ignored.
Wasalaam.
BismillahirRahmanirRahim
selam aleykum
@Ateeq
>>”my view on this whole matter is that its between shaykh hisham,shaykh abdul kerim and the sultan himself”…>>
If you have watched and listened properly to the videos, you will know that not only does he slander and say all kinds of vile things about Sheykh Abdul Kerim Efendi, he does the same to those ones following Sheykh Efendi. don’t know about you but that doesn’t sound like, “between shaykh hisham,shaykh abdul kerim and the sultan himself”.
Now, personally, i wouldn’t give a rat’s ass about being slandered but the truth of the matter is that he dragged all of us in when he made all those preposterous claims about our beloved Sheykh! Since he said that Sheykh Efendi is not a Sheykh, what does that make the rest of us? Do we stand aside and keep our peace when the person that we love have been slandered so vilely? maybe, if its in private between the two of them. But in this current situation and condition? don’t know about you but definitely not for those who are real defenders of the Truth.
>>”but i will not condemn shaykh hisham nor wil i condemn shaykh abdul kerim”.>>
we all know that what s hisham did warrants condemnation, so why would you not condemn those wrong action/words? and what possible reason is there that you should condemn Sheykh Abdul Kerim? What did he do? Keeping his peace and following Sheykh Mevlana’s orders? is that to be condemned??
you mentioned that this is a test for the murids, yes! this is a test to see which side we will be on, the side of Hakk or the side of Batil.
Now think about this, if you really believe your view of
>>”both are with mawlana and are his khalifah”, >>
then that means that you do not agree with the vile things that was spat out by s hisham. what does that make you?
be careful…do NOT be one of those who spreads fitnah and confusion.
BismillahirRahmanirRahim
Salam Alaykum,
Did you already make beyat with Sultan Sheikh Mehmed, Sheikh Nazim did renew his beyat.. see it at this video:
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/5503886?fr=yvmtf
En at 1 minute and 26 seconds you hear Sheikh Nazim say: renewing my beyat to Sheikh Muhammed “Mehmet”
Altug
BismillahirRahmanirRahim
I’ve turned off comments on these posts. This is my own personal reaction and definitely I did not even talk to Seyh Abdul Kerim after reading this and listening to the apology. These are my words 1000%. All my words from the beginning have been my own 1000% except for when I quote from sohbet.
Sheykh Abdul Kerim is Halife of Sheykh Maulana, he is an ambassador representing him to the public. He is doing this job for years. His family is remembered and honored in this Way. Do not attack anymore.
The apology is a start to a beginning.
There was no right to say anyone is crazy, drugs, Abu Lahab and Umm Lahab. Your followers laughing along with you. This is what I hope is being apologized for.
I will add, that S. Hisham asking for an apology from Seyh Abdul Kerim . Seyh Abdul Kerim said not one word to him. But murids from around the world came to show their solidarity with their beloved Seyh Abdul Kerim. Seyh did not call him Abu Lahab, Seyh Abdul Kerim did not call him madman, Seyh Abdul Kerim said inshaAllah we will HELP THEM. So what apology is he looking for? There are thousand+ comments on this incident on various posts on my blog. I cannot apologize for everyones words.
You think Seyh Abdul Kerim made these responses? No. That is not his work, but people out of love made these responses. Video responses, text responses, letters, phone calls. Each one is responsible for their own work. I shared just a handful of them on the website so Michigan could see how their words were HURTING others.
Since President of Cyprus came these attacks started for no reason in public, and they have been going on for years before. In NY Times your people said we are excommunicated from Naqshbandi’s and other ridiculousness, it is not us who sent Kaafir reporters to you. It is not us giving world wide sohbets making slander about you.
So many videos were sent to me asking me to share with the world, I did not. Just one I showed as a taste.
Stop the attacks, and my advice is don’t apologize with one hand and attack with the other about halife. Seyh Effendi is not after any chair. He says openly he wants to die when Maulana passes. So that is no excuse for these attacks.
I hope we will one day hear a real apology for calling Seyh Abdul Kerim Abu Lahab and us his murids worse than Abu Lahab. A real apology for mental institution comments. A real apology for drugs comments. A real apology for comments about sending j-nns. A real apology for an attack everyday for over a week. A real apology for saying Seyh Abdul Kerim is doing against Maulana’s wishes. Let us hear that, that will be a miracle.
Let us hear that Seyh Abdul Kerim is following Maulanas orders in the US and that the whole world doesn’t belong to one person except Maulana.
Everyone has their work to do, why do we interfere?
So Seyh Abdul Kerim did nothing to you.
But maybe you are asking for apology from murids…
I cannot apologize for the thousands of people that visited my site and sent comments, video, emails, started websites and youtube videos. I give this forum to show the truth of how your words hurt people around the world, and you saw the truth that the attacks were hurting people.
I personally did not curse anyone.
Maybe we will go to Michigan, who knows?