Recently there have been some videos posted attacking Sheykh Abdul Kerim openly and the Osmanli Dergah from Michigan. They are claiming that Sheykh Abdul Kerim is opening a dergah in Cyprus next to Maulana and that this is an act of craziness.
What is craziness is to think that Sheykh Abdul Kerim Effendi would or could do anything (especially in Lefke) without Sheykh Maulana Nazim’s explicit order and direction. Maulana specifically wanted a Dergah to be opened and run according to Ottoman/Osmanli ways in Cyprus.
This is what he ordered Sheykh Abdul Kerim to do, and that is what he is doing.
This is a continuation of his 2008 message where Maulana ordered Sheykh Abdul Kerim to work in Maulana’s area. Available on video here.
They say Seyh Effendi isn’t praying at that dergah, but goes elsewhere. Of course he goes elsewhere.
People who have never been to Cyprus are being taken for fools. The dergah next to Maulana’s house is not visited by Maulana himself. In fact, countless times Maulana was the one praying in these masjids with Sheykh Abdul Kerim right next to him.
When was the last Jummah Khutba you heard from Sh Maulana?
Want some pictures of ‘not praying at the Dergah’?
Now we know Maulana doesn’t come pray very often to the Dergah next to his own house, but Maulana visited the Osmanli Dergah in Lefke to open it himself.
Wouldn’t it be real craziness to think that Maulana would visit a place like this when it is against his wishes?
One can see Maulana openly praying in the dergah, blessing it. 
http://www.yursil.com/blog/2010/03/sheykh-mevlana-new-dergah-cyprus/
Or do you think that Awliya are just tricking you (Hasha Astahgfirulllah)? This is a clear message that the dergah is opened by Sheykh Maulana. Then they are second guessing Sheykh Maulana by saying he is being ‘patient’ with people who are doing work all around him. This is a sign of a deep disease. In this pseudo reality world these people create, what Maulana does is actually the opposite of what he really wants. For them, he doesn’t really want a Dergah, he just opens it up for some twisted game!
It is said on this site: “THE PRESIDENT OF CYPRUS IS THERE, AND THEY HAVE HIJACKED AND PREVENTED SUFILIVE TO BROADCAST THAT IMPORTANT EVENT AND THEY CANNOT SAY IT IS PRIVATE AS THEY WERE BCASTING IT THEMSELVES. ”
These people are upset that the President of Cyprus came and they were not able to broadcast. Like their past history, it is clear they are quiet until it becomes an issue of politics and gain. Could it be Maulana wants a direct feed of his sohbets unassociated with contrary messages?
What has Maulana said about Khalifa, about Democracy openly?
http://www.sufismus-online.de/TheocracyDemocracy
On top of that, all Islamic countries are now making advertisements for democracy, not theocracy, which would be following the Sharia. No! They want democracy, because the Europeans want it, they would never want a theocracy. And now our people are trying to copy this. Also in the private lives of people they want to copy the western people. It makes them proud to be like the western people.
What are these people saying about the same? They make Sahabis into political parties and shariat into democracy. What is real craziness is how these people reconcile these obvious conflicts in their minds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQNE-GcHhHU#t=6m45s 6:45
InshaAllah this Osmanli Dergah will be a big success because of Sh Maulana’s blessing and permission.
Many people will be assisting in this effort, including Cafer Iskenderoglu.
They are complaining about Sheykh Abdul Kerim by calling him crazy, and by doing so they have fulfilled the hadith: Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said: “Engage in the Dhikr of Allah in such abundance that people comment that ‘you are insane’.” (Ahmed, Abu Ya’la, Ibn Habbaan)
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BismillahirRahmanirRahim
Allah (CC) says in the Holy Quran, “Those who slander such of the Believers as give themselves freely to (deeds of) charity, as well as those who give according to their means, — and throw ridicule on them — Allah will throw back their ridicule on them: and they shall have a grievous chastisement.” (9:79).
And Our Holy Prophet (AS) said “He who is two-faced in this world will have two tongues of fire on the Day of Resurrection.”
Michigan should be careful. To take the honor of another Muslim, particularly a KHALIFA of the Sultan al-Awliya, is a grave sin.
As salamu aleikum,
I’m neutral in this dispute between Sh. Abdul Kerim and Sh. Hisham. I don’t have any ties with one of them. But I consider it very strange to build a naqshbandi dergah in Lefke. Very strange. Of course I don’t think sh. abdul kerim would this w/o the permission of sh. Nazim.
You are saying that sh. Abdul Kerim is a khalifah? Did Sh. Nazim say that, if so please give your proof…
BismillahirRahmanirRahim,
“Rumi”, your comments & questions, suggest a serious lack of knowledge & awareness about the matters you casually speak of.
The answers are in the first few paragraphs of this post. Go back and read again. If you want further “proof,” see http://www.naksibendi.org, or find the videos online.
But don’t fool yourself by saying you’re neutral; we are not fooled by the disclaimer.
Bismillah
Shukran for that Shakir. i would also say that it is either misguided or willfully fitnah making to refer to this situation as a “dispute between” the two shaykhs. The statements made by Sh Kabbani were publicly made to his students as part of his subha (spiritual teaching) and then dutifully posted publicly by his students who post every subha he gives. This was not an issue that was kept between the shaykhs to discuss nor brought as a dispute for Sh Maulana Nazim to make a judgment on the matter. Sh Effendi Abdul Kerim is not disputing anything as he has no need to get into a childish spat with Sh Kabbani. It is Sh Kabbani who is spreading slander, lies, and publicly making disrespectful statements. Nor is this the first time that he has publicly raised issues in an inappropriate time/place in an attempt to discredit Sh Effendi Abdul Kerim.
Those who say that they are neutral or staying out of it, and those who suggest that we who are the mureeds of Sh Effendi Abdul Kerim should stay out of it are hypocrites for issuing such statements for that means they think they have a right to advise on how we should handle the situation and are, themselves, not really staying out of it. Those who admit they do not understand the situation or are not a part of the tariqah to have any reason to be involved should keep their thoughts to themselves and allow us to sort things.
Bismillahi Rahmani Rahim
As salam alaikum Yursil
May Allah give Shaykh Effendi long life and more and more power to spread true teachings of Mawlana Shaykh (qs). May the blessings of Allah and the continuous madad of Grandshaykh Mawlana Nazim be always with him and now also with the new osmanli dergah oponed following Mawlana’s approval.
Recently, Mawlana said in an interview in turkish translated afterwards into english: ‘Biz Osmanliyiz, Pek Shanliyiz’ (We are ottomans and we have honour), yet an stubborn claimant to high spiritual knowledge dares to speak even to the extent of ignorantly (mis)quoting (so, instrumentally ‘using’) his Shaykh to say: stay away from turks! La hawla wa la quwatta illa billah!
But I would have never ever expected to hear from someone claiming a high spiritual position to use the internet tool in order to blatantly damage, once and again and again, rejoicing at it (spiritually ‘instructing’ with it) the sacred honour of the wife of another muslim man. How in the earth can this be part from manhood! How in the earth can this be ever understood! It is so shameful and the slanderer lost completely the sense of shame.
He wants to test Shaykh Effendi Hazleteri ehh? La illaha Illa’Allah.
Certainly awliya go through tests that if they were given upon us we couldn’t simply bear for a single minute.
May Allah give complete protwection to the honour, the sacred honour, the inviolability of the honour both of our beloved Shaykh and his beloved wife.
And may Dhulm be shut down unless they repent of it.
Nureddin
Bismillahi Rahmani Rahim
BTW, this post is now translated into spanish in our peruvian osmanli blog here:
http://peru-islam.blogspot.com/2010/04/ataques-desde-michigan-contra-sheykh.html
Salams.
BismillahirRahamnirRahim
Salamu’alaykum,
@ Rumi: You said it is strange that a new Dergah opens up in Lefke? Why? Sheykh Maulana is not attending the place next to his own house, there is no training going on, there is just projected sohbets which one might get at any broadcast.
As far as proofs, the proofs are everywhere. The obvious proof of Maulana’s explicit orders available here: [text, audio]
Then there is the really plain proof that Maulana is plainly telling Sh Abdul Kerim that the work is finishing in America and that Maulana is assigning Sh Abdul Kerim to Anatolia (which includes Turkey and Cyprus), and bringing him ‘to this side’.
Video: http://naksibendi.us/sohbet/1226
BismillahirRahamnirRahim
Salamu’alaykum Nureddin,
Ameen inshaAllah
Salaamu Alaikum Wr Wb
BismillahHirRahmanNirRahim
MaShaAllah the evidence is so so so clear in the video of
http://naksibendi.us/sohbet/1226
And myself being turkish, the words are accurate (english subtitles) this is Haqq, though there are many jealous eyes on people on murids on shaikhs many Allah remove those eyes away from our glare so that we may not get affected, these videos by the other Shaikh should really know better of making such accusations and slander, he has no authority in the first place to say such matters, he is not the leader of the tariqah Sultan Awilua Shaikh Muhammad Nazim is, broadcasting and complaining and insulting is not a Sohbet its a public humiliation.
May they all repent and wake up from there senses.
Bismillah hir Rahman Ni Raheem
salam, i thin all of us should stay out of this , we are laymen people and we dont understand . InshAllah this dispute will end because this is not good for the tariqa because people may look and say the haqqani tariqa is crazy .
Mawlana shayk hisham May Allah Azwajal give them long life and good health are representing mawlana shayk nazim adil haqqani and we are demanded to respect and love them and this also goes for syedi shayk Abdul karim .
I hope this dispute ends soon , this has really hurt me to be honest .
Sufi – i did have a listen to the suhba, the ‘evidence’ is not as clear as you suggest, why is the complete suhba not available.
>>@ Rumi: You said it is strange that a new Dergah opens up in Lefke? Why? Sheykh Maulana is not attending the place next to his own house, there is no training going on, there is just projected sohbets which one might get at any broadcast.
Yursil, you come across as a very intelligent person but your above comment is strange – “there is not training going on” – when was tariqa some sort of martial art that had to be practised in a “temple” – training from maulana is ongoing, in or out of the dergah.
i heard about the talk that Shaykh Hisham gave from this site and was deeply saddened that another Shaykh was being attacked, but having listened to the complete suhba for myself, i tend to agree that it is madness to form another dergah in lefke. The photos don’t indicate anything apart from defense for stooges. I don’t believe Maulana would give permission for another dergah, may be he woould if it were a mosque?
I could be wrong…
Bismillah
To those who say “stay out of it” – again, i say then you should not speak at all either as you are entering into it and this makes you a hypocrite. To those who say that we are laymen who do not understand – know that this blog is written with the knowledge and permission of Seyh Effendi Abdul Kerim AND Seyh Maulana Nazim who is Sultan over the tariqa. So if Yursil is posting this, it has been posted at the request of and with approval from those who are better than we are.
i understand that mureeds are hurt by this situation. You are not the only one hurting, and certainly we are hurting as well. But this is not about the egos of the mureeds, it is about what is right and what is wrong. To which i ask: who is doing the hurting? It is one man who has chosen to misuse the purpose of sohbet to level accusations and a campaign of disrespect and misinformation against another shaykh. One person has publicly attempted to discredit another, has called him names, compared him to the worst enemy of the Prophet (salalahi alahi wa salaam), has spread filthy lies about Seyh Effendi Abdul Kerim. So who is it that is behaving with a lack of respect and love?
Again i say, this is not mureeds getting into the middle of a dispute between two shaykhs. If it were a dispute between two honorable shaykhs it would not have become public. It would not have been presented to all who follow one shaykh for them to laugh and mock during the sohbet, which was broadcast live and is available on their website for folks to continue to listen to. If it were a difference of opinion between two honorable men, the issue would have been taken privately to Maulana Nazim to reconcile it. That is not the situation. So, now it is public, now it is out there for everyone to see. Then people are forced to decide between supporting overt bad character and falsehood or to support the one who remains patient and who has maintained his character in the face of such venom. Which do we wish to emulate?
As to “proofs”, they are readily available to anyone with a sincere wish to see them.
May Allah forgive and guide those who need it and protect the honor of those who are attacked unjustly. May Allah give patience and peace to those who are sincere seekers. Ameen.
BismillahirRahmanirRahim
Shahzad,
You may delude yourself to thinking Maulana is training your ego directly, without ever having said a word to him, but this isn’t the case. This is exactly why he has authorized deputies, otherwise everything in this tarikat would be a virtual experience. Learning simple manners that Maulana orders, such as starting every written letter with BismillahirRahmanirRahim occurs with training.
What is not clear about the video in Maulana’s private quarters? He literally said Sh Abdul Kerim is to be brought to ‘this side’ and that his work is finishing in America and he needs to concentrate on Anatolia.
The photos don’t indicate anything except as a defense for stooges? Maulana himself is coming to the dergah, praying, and talking about the place. He has given land from his OWN PROPERTY to Shaikh Abdul Kerim to build. a dergah in Cyprus.
Unfortunately, right now you aren’t sounding like an intelligent person. Maulana has specifically said, anyone who interferes with Shaykh Abdul Kerim’s work, he will interfere. Don’t put any deputy above Maulana.
Repent and go to Cyprus before you say anything more, you’ll only earn problems for your own self.
Assalamualakum Yursil, forgive me for going of topic but your comment above has affected me greatly as me and many other mureeds who live in the UK have no kalipha or representive in our area, what do you and Sheikh Abdul Kerim QS suggest we do in such a situation?
Salaamu Alaikum Wr Wb
BismillahHirRahmanNirRahim
@Shazad, How can you say its not complete ? If you know turkish OR are turkish like myself, you can hear the words yourself ? do not please come here and make doubts or accusations, its black and white very clear, how clear do you want it ? Also Sultan Effendiminz has given permission for the dergah, whatever Sultan does, no one not even the khalifahs must question it, isn’t it so ? so why is so and so questioning it ? and mocking it ? and calling names ? listen brother Shazad, do not try to obscure your view from a clear picture do not paint another which isn’t there, if you see a clear picture do not deny it or ignore it, if you have doubt do not put up your opnions or ideas, go directly to Sultan and see for yourself.
Simple as that, yes? sorry if i came across strong in anyway though Im really confused about how people cannot see such a clear cut picture though put “but where is the complete footage” or “what about this or that” etc etc
If Sultan orders something, accept it, no one has the right to denounce it or go against it, doing so is going against Sultan which is going against Prophet(saw) and going against Allah(swt) simple as that
P.S
Would like to add regarding the training comments, we are always in training, spiritual training! don’t mix up the physical and spiritual, without you knowing we are recieving spiritual medicine/treatments from him whenever we are in his dergah, this i heard from when he was visiting London. So visit, to recieve those blessings those treatments, as each dergah of Sultans there is a blessing, a spiritual blessings.
WaAllahu Halim
BismillahirRahmanirRahim
Salamualaykum Ubeid
Spiritual connection to Maulana is different than training the ego. There is safety and progress made with a spiritual connection, I am sure, but shazad questioned my comment on training. If you want to train your ego, which is taking the spiritual connection to the next level, my personal suggestion is to keep the company of a Shaykh or representative directly for some routine time as you are able. Thats just from what I know. Every sohbet on the matter I have heard discusses the need for a guide to instruct you.
BismillahirRahmanirRahim.
Medet.
To all those who are misguided enough to term this to be a “dispute” or a “conflict.” A dispute is two-sided. It indicates that there is fighting on both sides of the aisle. This is not the case.
Sheykh Abdul Kerim Efendi has not attacked anyone. He has been subject to this newest attack, and attacks stretching back for years, many times. Masha’Allah, like a true Khalifah of the Sultan al-Awliya, he has showed us the most beautiful manners. He has not responded with dirty words or false accusations. Only where it has been necessary to negate slander and libel has any response been issued by Sheykh Abdul Kerim Effendi.
So this is not a dispute. This is not a conflict. This is not a fight. These are the repeated unprovoked attacks of Michigan on the integrity, honor, and sanctity of Sheykh Abdul Kerim el-Kibrisi, the Khalifa of the Sultan al-Awliya.
To those who want a proof of the validity of the Khilafat of Sheykh Abdul Kerim el-Kibrisi. The proofs are abundant and clear. Are you so blind that you will next ask for proof of the light of the sun? May Allah (SWT) guide you to understand the CLEAR words of the Sultan al-Awliya.
Oh and to the “Dog of syedi shayk nazim.” Perhaps you should consider who you are barking for, as we have only one Mawlana, and that is Mawlana Shaykh Nazim Adil el-Hakkani.
Brother Yursil, i have been with Moulana for 19 years (not that duration counts for much) and have seen many representatives claiming that they are working under Moulana’s instructions, but there actions and the actions of their followers prove otherwise and in the process have seen many mureeds derailed from the path. This can be said of Shaykh Hisham too, what is important is that followers of representatives are not taking the words of representatives over Moulanas.
If Moulana has stated that Shakh Abdul Kareem is a Khalifa (in the real sense, not a muqqadam, who leads dhikr and has a more limited role) then i have no problem in accepting him as such. And if Moulana has stated that he is happy with a Dergah (again, not a mosque, where prayers will take place) then i will have no problems in accepting this either.
I did meet Shaykh Abdul Karim for the first time in Lefke in March, but was in unfortunate circumstances where one of his followers (i feel seen the same person in pictures looking so humble infront of Shaykh Abdul Karim) started a fight (whirling a camera) in the dergah infront of Moulana – even if i had not heard anything from Shaykh Hisham, i have to say this left me slightly suspicious about this ‘New York’ group who claim to be following Moulana to the letter!
I do accept that the actions of followers is not always a reflection of the Shaykh, but i can’t help feel that in this situation it may be the case.
Brother Yursil i have always learnt alot from your postings and hope to continue to do so…
BismillahirRahmanirRahim
Salamu’alaykum,
What is Shaykh Abdul Kerims words saying? He is saying the same as Maulana and he always has. Of course, Shaikh Abdul Kerim is khalifa of Shaikh Maulana you see it in words and in results. I heard it myself number of times from Maulanas mouth when introducing people to Shaikh Abdul Kerim.
If you saw something unfortunate, I suggest you should have asked about it or understood what was going on. There is context before and after you came. There is a lot of fitnah going on and its one of the primary reasons Maulana doesn’t attend dergah often, and instead you were watching the same live broadcast everyone else around the world is. Did you speak to the persons involved? Did you speak to Maulana when you went?
Besides what one murid does deserves to call Shaykhs stupid? A murid is a murid, still learning.
Next time come to New York and see for yourself who is following Maulana.
Anything I post that is good really came from my association with Shaykh Abdul Kerim Effendi. I am glad you find benefit, because I found benefit in him.
Brother Yursil, GrandShaykh Abdullah Dagehstani said that mureeds are not like beads on a tasbih, together they learn from each other – i hope we can continue to do so.
I did not get a chance to ask why the fight took place as i was merely trying to take evasive action as the camera whirled past my chin!
I am however surprised that there is always a “context” to whatever Sheikh Abdul kareem or his followers do, but you can not afford that same excuse for anyone else?
Besides i did not call the Shaykh stupid, but do believe he is a mureed of Moulana and still learning as is Shaykh Hisham.
>>I heard it myself number of times from Maulanas mouth when introducing people to Shaikh Abdul Kerim.
Brother Yursil, have you not heard the same about Shaykh Hisham, if not more?
Brother Sufi, as you said “If Sultan orders something, accept it, no one has the right to denounce it or go against it, doing so is going against Sultan which is going against Prophet(saw) and going against Allah(swt) simple as that ”
Sultan has also said that Shaykh Hisham is “The Shaykh of America” – do you accept it! Accepting! Or are you denouncing what Sultan has said, thereby denouncing Prophet (saw) and going against Allah – Simple as that!
The complete speech is available, Moulana gave during the opening of the Michigan dergah.
BismillahirRahmanirRahim
I know all of the context I need to react to the direct calling of a Shaykh as stupid and crazy and fake, which is what just happened.
You didn’t answer my question, did you speak to Maulana on your trip to Cyprus? Did you bring this topic to him?
I have heard that Shaykh Hisham was Maulana’s representative also, but no, not at all more.
Michigan was opened years ago, do you live decades in the past? A lot of egos have come into action, claiming titles such as Maulana for themselves. A lot of situations around the world have changed, the President is Barack Hussein Obama, and definitely some Naksibendi totally screwed up tarikat in America from claiming the millenium is going to be a disaster to state dept speeches, and Maulana’s message for today is crystal clear.
Besides, being stuck in America is good for some people. Seyh Abdul Kerim is Maulana’s *worldwide* representative.
Why are you counter questioning Br Sufi with a decade old message from Maulana when his current and express wishes are so crystal clear? Why then are you questioning whats going on in Cyprus and switching the topic now to America?
To answer the question, i did not ask Moulana why a fight had taken place in the Dergah in front of him, what do you think i should have asked? I think Moulana in a sense answered it during his suhba after the fight, where he said that “people who have no inner peace will never display peace outwards, that is why there is some much violence in the world.”
Can you give any evidence from Moulana to say that Shaykh Hisham is not a representative anymore?
A decade old message, Moulana said that he is asking Shaykh Hisham to lead the WHOLE tariqa in a suhba last year – listen to it on BeforeArmageddon! And in another video he is asking Shaykh Hisham to go to Africa and to Europe etc – Are seriously going to ignore all of this?!
I’m not sure Shaykh Abdul Kareen is a “worldwide” representative, from the video you posted i think is dominion is restricted to Anatolia – “his work in America is finished”. I think you need to rewatch this video that you yourself posted!
BismillahirRahmanirRahim
Don’t be arrogant. Sheykh Abdul Kerim is told to leave a representative of his in America, which he has while he is working in Cyprus and Turkey. Do Muqaddims do that? I am not saying anything about anyones status except that others have their OWN authority and permission from Maulana. One persons permission does not negate anothers. And finally, MANY others have also led sohbet in Cyprus. I have been personally there. They just don’t make it to BeforeArmageddon. You are making really shaitanic confusion. You want to lower his status? You want to put him down? InshaAllah you will be counted on those who are against Sh Abdul Kerim. InshaAllah.
Did you speak to Maulana at all?
You didn’t answer my question – you made a serious accusation – Can you give any evidence from Moulana to say that Shaykh Hisham is not a representative anymore?
>>while he is working in Cyprus and Turkey – No, Moulana said his work in America is finished, listen to it again it is crystal clear.
>>One persons permission does not negate anothers –
True
I completely accept your statement, but it was you who just negating Shaykh Hisham’s authority.
Don’t be blinded bro.
Salaamu Alaikum Wr Wb
BismillahHirRahmanNIrRahim
Destur Meded
Brother Shazad, your question of “The Shaykh of America” yes Ive heard afew sohbets from Sultan effendiminz relating to this, nothing more, im not denying this so why bring it up ? Seriously im wondering about your intentions here if its sincere or not…
Sultan Awilua Mawlana (The ONLY ONE to be refered to as Mawlana) Shaikh Muhammad Nazim effendiminz, said, this tariqa is number one mental house
why you think he says this ? ive witnessed for myself there are many crazy ones though at the same time they are sincere and loving just there love for Sultan drives them crazy, this is one example. Bringing up the fight during the whirling/hadra to knock down Shaikh Abdul Kerim is a low blow, what about us ? we are not perfect im sure we all have made mistakes and embrassed our Sultan yes? so do not use such a example to knock a shaikhs reputation down please let it be Shaikh Abdul Kerim or Shaikh Hisham. You have no right no authority to do so, not one of us has.
Brother Yursil speaks the truth regarding Sultan Instructing Shaikh Abdul Kerim to leave a representative if you listen he says in turkish to leave a wakil (a representative) whilst Sultan brings him over to him.
Also Brother Shazad you mentioned that Sultan said that Shaikh Hisham is to lead the WHOLE tariqa you either taken that out of context or it doesn’t exist, please send me the link of it, im not denying it just wish to hear it for myself
As i remember many years ago repeated so so many times that Shaikh Hisham is Shaikh is of America (Along also Shaikh Abdul Kerim) Shaikh Hassan for Germany(Shaaikh Jamelidudin also), Shaikh Abdul Hamid Africa and when in London, and Shaikh Adnan the WHOLE world. This is a true event and constantly discussed in forums whenever mentioned.
And Allah Knows Best, May Allah halt this fitna and unite us all sincerely for the love of Sultan Awilua Mawlana Shaikh Muhammad Nazim Effendiminz.
My name is Nasruddin Hodja. You might have read or heard about me. I would like to take part in this discussion. I’ve been with Maulana for 30 years.
I will not be discourteous and most of my posts will be questions.
If you agree I will roll.
BismillahirRahmanirRahim
I didn’t negate anything about anyone. You have been negating since your first post.
If you are having trouble reading, the line is:
I have heard that Shaykh Hisham was Maulana’s representative also, but no, not at all more.
‘not at all more’ is in response to your comment
“Brother Yursil, have you not heard the same about Shaykh Hisham, if not more?”
It doesn’t mean ‘not anymore’.
Regarding my question to you, I am getting the feeling you didn’t exchange four words with Maulana.
Bismillahir Rahmaanir Rahiim
Asalaamu alaikum.
Shazad, i would caution you. You are confused and only creating confusion. Do you not realize that you will answer to Allah for your every word? Do you not fear that you will have to answer for uneccessary argumentation and smearing the name of Seyh Effendi Abdul Kerim? You keep coming back with argument that makes no sense, that is irrelevent, and that only creates further pain to mureeds and confusion for others who read this. It does not matter whether you understand or accept what is evident. You should take your questions to Sh Maulana Nazim or listen to those who are obviously more in the know than you are. But to continue to comment here with your useless and obnoxious opinions is not only shameful, but detrimental to your own self. The situation is what it is: a shaykh was spoken of dishonorably, publicly. You have not said that is wrong, so you must support it. Instead you seem to keep looking to prove Sh. Kabbani’s words when there is no proof, no validity to them, nor was it appropriate for them to be said anyway. It is far past time for you to simply close your mouth, still your typing fingers. Do you think that Sh Maulana Nazim does not hear who is creating fitnah, who is saying things that it is outside their place to say? Are you not ashamed to call yourself a mureed of our Sultan while openly disputing something you know nothing about and questionning the love he makes so apparent for Seyh Effendi Abdul Kerim? Have you no shame or decency at all? Perhaps you will answer in this life to Maulana. Most certainly you will answer to Allah. So you should consider sparing yourself the punishment that comes from your words.
>>Brother Shazad, your question of “The Shaykh of America” yes Ive heard afew sohbets from Sultan effendiminz relating to this, nothing more, im not denying this so why bring it up ? Seriously im wondering about your intentions here if its sincere or not…
The reason why i bought this up, if Shaykh Abdul karim is to leave America will that not leave you any alternative but to follow Shaykh Hisham?
Aaminah , i accept i’m not in “the know” and accept i am the worst of all mureeds, and that is precisley why i am not saying from myself but asking about what i have from someone who is in the know – Shaykh Hisham. I believe Shaykh Hisham is trying to protect you and teaching us all the danger of accepting someone above Moulana (not to say that you personally are doing this)
Yursil – apologies for misquoting you but you followed your statement up with “definitely some Naksibendi totally screwed up tarikat in America from claiming the millenium is going to be a disaster to state dept speeches” which does sound like you don’t accept him as a Khalifa?
BismillahiRahmanirRahim
Maulana said for Sh Abdul Kerim to leave a representative, that is who we would follow.
It means I accept that some Naqshbandi did those things, it has nothing to do with being a khalifa or not.
BismillahirRahmanirRahim
Medet Destur,
Dogs may bark but the caravan continues.
There is no honor anymore.
Since when does a Saint or a Seyh stoop to such slander? It really is ahir zaman.
Congratulations Michigan.
Not even Yahudis or munafiks are doing what you are doing. Apparently internet slander is your modus operandi – direct slander requires courage. Then again slander has always been the tool of the weak.
Be busy with yourself.
We shall see what is ahead whether it is a horse or a donkey – once the dust settles.
Till then, donkeys continue to bray and dogs bark.
Seyh Efendi’s caravan continues strong, inshAllah.
Bismillah
Shazad – You really only compound things by lying about what you are doing. What you have said speaks for itself. You are not asking to understand better. How is it “protecting” anyone for Sh Kabbani to call another shaykh crazy and compare him to the worst enemy of the Prophet salalahi alahi wa salaam? To publicly mock another shaykh? To let his mureeds laugh at the shaykh? No one is saying that anyone is over Maulana – actually, i take that back, Kabbani’s people keep referring to HIM as Maulana when there is only ONE Maulana. There is NO teaching anything good by calling a shaykh out of his name and speaking of him disrespectfully. You continue to defend what is overt hateful and jealous behavior on the part of Sh Kabbani. Again, you are defending what is wrong and arguing against those who are speaking the truth. You twist the subject, demand “proof” of Seyh Effendi Abdul Kerim’s authority. As i said, and really you are frankly stupid if you do not take the advice – nothing you have said is worth anything. Nothing you are saying is beneficial or true in any way, so you should stop saying anything. You should stop speaking and compounding your sins. If you wish to follow Sh Kabbani, by all means, follow him and seek his guidance. But then do not come to demand answers or start arguments with others. Stay to your way, stay to your ignorance, stay to your complete lack of the most basic of adab. You will answer to Allah for it anyway and i feel very sorry for you.
Salaamu Alaikum Wr Wb
BismillahHirRahmanNirRahim
Meded Ya Sultan,
Brother Shazad, you are really digging your own grave here, you said in your post
“The reason why i bought this up, if Shaykh Abdul karim is to leave America will that not leave you any alternative but to follow Shaykh Hisham?”
My orginal post and the video of Sultan with Shaikh Abdul Kerim answers you, here i say it again
“Sultan Instructing Shaikh Abdul Kerim to leave a representative if you listen he says in turkish to leave a wakil (a representative) whilst Sultan brings him over to him.”
Clear enough
It seems you have a great deal of Love for Shaikh Hisham Alhamdulilah Sultan instructs us to give respect to his khalifas, please show yours.
Considering that their Shaykh calls people Abu Lahab, I am actually not surprised by this kind of behavior from his fans.
Bismillaheerahmaneeraheem
During the first Cahiliye the arabs were the scum of the earth…what can we expect from those in the second Cahiliye?
We must never forget that race, nationality or lineage means jack if there is no Takva. Hazreti Muaviye was a pillar of Islam but his own son Yezit called for the slaughter of the Ahlil Bait. Saad ibn Abi Wakas is an ashara mubashara but his own son was a general in yezit’s army that slew Hazreti Husain and his family. I actually agree with Hisham Kabbani, the Prophet’s own relatives were his bitterest enemies – what of his relation to His (s) representative? Irony, together with faith, modesty and intelligence have really been lifted from the world.
BRR
Salam alaikum,
May Allah (cc) bless Seyh Mevlana and Seyh Abdul Kerim Hazretleri and bring those who are against them fall to their knees!
Yursil, Sufi, Aminah – may Allah bless all of you. Hak will always triumph.
BismillahirRahmanirRahim
Medet,
What is most disturbing is the level of passion and effort involved in slandering Sheykh Abdul Kerim Effendi. Sh. Hisham KNOWS Sheykh Effendi is a Sheykh, a deputy, and a direct representative of Sheykh Mevlana. Sheykh Abdul Kerim Effendi is not a secret. Sheykh Abdul Kerim al Kibrisi Effendi’s presence in America is not circumstantial. He is Kibrisi. He grew up serving Sheykh Mevlana Nazim al Kibrisi with His Father, Haji Fuat Rabbani QS in – (Guess where?) Kibris.
He LEFT Kibris to go to America – why? – The result of obeying His Sheykh’s order – to represent him there, more than 35 years ago. He was given explicit instruction to go to a new and strange country, conduct weekly Zikr for the benefit of the public, to open a Dergah, to teach Islam, to train murids in tasawwuf, to consruct and open a Maqam representing GrandSheykh Abdullah Faiz Daghestani’s (QS) Tomb so murids and everyone who visits can obtain the blessing of ziyarat. I’ve not begun to mention Sheykh Mevlana’s recorded words speaking about Sheykh Abdul Kerim Effendi in exacting detail on who he is, who he is representing, on his happiness with him on numerous occasions recorded on both audio and video.
There has never been any doubt as to Sheykh Abdul-Kerim Effendi’s position and standing. Does that sound like just a Muqaddim to you? You, Shazad, 19 years old murid, who is Mash’Allah spending so much time with Mevlana should know better before raising questions of this nature and definitely before involving yourself in a back-and-forth regarding Sheykh Abdul Kerim’s validity. Especially someone in the “know”, someone long-term and not tourist, who is spending time with Mevlana could surely and simply ask Him about Sheykh Abdul Kerim Effendi. And I’m sure a 19-years long murid should be given a satisfactory answer. Or just spend a little time reading the content of http://www.Naksibendi.org, or http://www.naksibendi.us to see the consistent similarities of Sheykh Abdul-Kerim Effendi’s words and that of Sheykh Mevlana, and the high manner and deference Sheykh Abdul-Kerim Effendi relates to Sheykh Mevlana. If one were so inclined, one would see that there really is no mystery regarding this ‘New York’ group, O’ Sincere Shazad.
But Sh. Hisham is Absolutely aware of all of this.
Holy Prophet (ASWS) has said, “Fitna is sleeping. May Allahu ta’ala’s curse be upon those who awaken it.”
If this assault is not in direct contradiction to Holy Prophet(ASWS) ‘s words, KNOWING all the facts full well and yet STILL spending such an effort to record a video hurling a litany of insulting names, shouting scandalous slanders, then what is it? For Shame! To see the energy going into these videos, one has to wonder why? Followers of Sheykh Abdul Kerim know the history of these things. Followers of Michigan know all too well. But the head of Michigan? Curious and Suspicious.
The History is there. As IF. As IF someone, anyone can visit Cyprus, spend all his time with and around Mevlana closely, speaking with him closely, visits and occasions of which are recorded on video, praying with him closely, making Zikr with him closely (Sitting and in Hadrah), travelling with him closely and then turn around and dare to open his own dergah without consent and more-so in competition(!!) with the Sultan ul Awliya, right under the Sultan’s very nose???
Uff, The person claiming this alone, obviously doesn’t think very highly of Sheykh Mawlana. That he would let this happen. That he would allow this.
BUT. But of course that’s not what happened or what is happening.
What IS happening is Slander of the lowest and dirtiest kind. Calculated, choreographed, empty last stands of slander and lies. SAD. What a stain on the legacy of one who would do such a thing.
Osmanli said it better than I can. But I’ll try anyway.
When separated by several hundreds of miles and hours and hours of travel, dogs comfortably chained to their backyards, burning to be macho, will bark at Lions. How easy is that? But with the chain loosened, and brought face-to-face? A dog remains a dog. And a Lion will continue to be a Lion. And the Truth is always the Truth.
BismillahirRahmanirRahim
Selam aleykum,
My name is Nesrettin Hoca. I have a few questions:
1. Why is Seyh Hisham kabbani called a Maulana when there is only one Mevlana and that is Mevlana Seyh Nazim?
2. Why does Seyh Hisham call Seyh Ebdul Kerim Ebu Lahab and his wife Umm Lahab when I have never seen or heard Seyh Mevlana call even the wahabis by that name?
3. Why does Seyh Hisham hate the Turks when everybody knows that Seyh Mevlana, almost all of our Grandseyhs and all the Ottoman Sultans were Turks?
4. Why does Seyh Hisham twist the hadis by saying that the Prophet either said or implied that the Turks are full of corruption?
5. Did ever Seyh Mevlana himself say any of this? If not, whose example is he following?
6. Even if there is a disagreement, why does he resort to gypsy tactics and call names OVER
THE INTERNET?
7. Why is Seyh Hisham so angry?
I suppose there is a good reason why the Holy Prophet (s) commanded us to love the arabs BECOS he is an arab…otherwise…Corruption comes from the two horns of sheytan in Nejd – everybody knows that. Were they Turkish…nooo…they were ARABS. We will never forget Akaba, and Yemen.
Bismillahi Rahmani Rahim…
Salam brothers and sisters,
MashAllah this is amazing. I am not sure why some ppl cannot accept this, are their egos that powerful over them? I don’t get, what is so hard to understand and why is it so hard to accept. Allah forbid that anyone takes any major steps without their Murshid’s permission. I think what’s wrong here is the slander against Sheikh Abdul Kerim…slander which someone decided to do on their own. Did Maulana Sheikh Nazim order this person to slander and mock and call Sheikh Abdul Kerim and his family names? NO! AGAIN NO! So, if there is anyone NOT FOLLOWING SHEIKH NAZIM’S (Q) ORDERS it is the person causing all this trouble fitnah, slander etc……AND ALLAH KNOWS BEST AND ALLAH WILL REWARD THOSE WITH PATIENCE.
Anyone heard Maulana Sheikh Nazim’s latest sohbet from March 26,2010?
“Maulana recited A’uzubillahi minasy syaitan nirrajeem, seeking protection from shaitan, who likes to instigate quarrels and pour fuel on burning flames. Shaitan suggests to Man, that if he were to constantly stir up trouble for his enemy, then that enemy would be so engrossed tackling these problems, that he would have no time to cause trouble for him. This ideology is firmly entrenched in our hearts today, Man is always finding ways to make things difficult for others. Man always views others with suspicion, he is always jumping to an evil conclusion about the intention of others, and since he feels that everyone else is plotting against him, he pre-empts this by striking first – to make a problem for the party he believes is plotting against him. A suspicious mind always believes that others are constantly conspiring against him, he interprets every action as someone devising a plot to wound him in the present and even in the future. Maulana says that he is bringing a Divine warning for Mankind, to cease such evil behaviour / thoughts / assumptions.”
BismilahirRahmanirRahim
selam aleykum.
Wonder how sh hisham is going to back up his accusations now…
anyway, the way that he delivers it during his speech is very hard to reconcile to a person of such high status as he is claimed to be….
obviously sanity is in short order for those who supports the theory that democracy is from Islam. hasha astarghfirullah!
From Abu Dawud, Kitab al-Adab, The Prophet (asws) said: “He who is two-faced in this world will have two tongues of fire on the Day of Resurrection.”
To those who claims to be neutral, they should act accordingly and stay out of this. otherwise they’re only causing confusion and fitnah or of course they could be lying and have their own agenda.
From Abu Dawud, Kitab al-Adab, The Prophet (asws) was asked: “Apostle of Allah! What is back- biting?” He replied: “It is saying something about your brother which he would dislike.” He was asked again: “Tell me how the matter stands if what I say about my brother is true?” He replied: “If what you say of him is true, you have slandered him [i.e. it is backbiting], and if what you say of him is not true, you have reviled him [i.e. it is calumny, a worse sin than backbiting].”
And the way that this fitnah is handled by the osmanlis, mashallah! its enough to wake people up and see who the real defenders of the truth are. Biz Osmanliz! Pek Sanliyiz!
BismilahirRahmanirRahim
SelamunAleykum.
Dogs may bark but the caravan continues.
this kabbani dosen’t past for the dog ok.
in turkish saying: “HAVLAYAN KOPEK ISIRMAZ”
HE JUST BARKING BARKING BARKING
haw haw u khow
he is saying that he is a ARABbbbbb. realy?
yes he is a ARAB BUT CINGEN ARAB.
if he is a real seyyid or serif.
that mubarek blood in his body ,is not gonna let him speak like that.
he is getting old.he is a grandfather.he sould be busy whit his grandsons.
I am praying that,his grandsons is not gonna be like him insallah.
seytan became seytan because he was jealous.
why he is so jealous like that?
because we are OSMANLI OTTOMAN OSMANLI.
SAPINA KADAR HEMDE.
THEY DONT LIKE BE UNDER THE OSMANLI TURK REAL TURK.
if you looking for seytan on tihs earth.look at him.
if you didn’t go to HAC yet it is ok!
when you reach the HAC time make intention for stone seytan kabbani.
time is very near all the seytans goning crazy.
WAKE UP KABBANI WAKE UP….
OSMANLILAR COMING! OTTOMANS ARE COMING!REAL TURKS ARE COMING!!!!
Salaamu Alaikum Wr Wb
BismillahHirRahmanNirRahim
Destur Meded
Alot of tension and alot of emotions here, though please please refrain from strong comments, yes a injustice has been said and done, but please do not lower yourselves and bark back with a mannerism where its not in your nature and that shall be questionable on Qiyamat, pray that InshaAllah this shall get resolved, i pray it does soon very soon.
May Allah bless our Sultan Awulia Mawlana Shaikh Muhammad Nazim with long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long life and strong health and as he said to crush Batil and to be under its feet, and also to bless Sultans family and his sincere loving murids, may he be forever the beacon of light that lights up darkness from within.
Allah Hafiz
Yursil is this your idea of being on Haq
BismillahirRahmanriRahim
Telling the truth? Yes, it is.
not letting me post my comments!
Aaminah, this is a public forum not a secret society, people have every right to ask questions, you should not get so defensive and go off on a emotional diatribe. It’s upto you if you think that i am lying (exactly the same thing you are accusing Seyh Hishaam of doing against Seyh Qubrisi) strange how we become the very thing we are condemning.
As i said i have no personal affiliation with Seyh Hishaam or Seyh Kebrisi, i have met most of the khalifas of Moulana and benefit from all of them as i see a unique quality in them all reflecting from Moulana, i onmly heard about Seyh Kebrisi in the last few years and have never had an opportunity to meet him as i do not reside in America, but saw him for the first time this year in Cyprus. Having had personal experience of khalifas who have made claims beyond themselves and damaged many that followed them, i think it is important to make people aware of some of the dangers that lie in following someone in a cultish manner
One of your comments was caught as spam and in a different folder. I just approved it.
I’ve seen aspects of the “new York branch” which to me resembles what i experienced some 15 years ago with a charasmatic khalifa of Moulana who was praised by Moulana even more so than Seyh Kebrisi. After getting a sizeable following he moved to the next stage of claiming that he woud not align himself with the other mureeds and khalifas, we then setup our own dergah, occasionally inviting Moulana to get legitmacy, but as mureeds we saw Moulana as a GrandSeyh, but this man was our Seyh.
There were violent and emotional exchages with people who disagreed with us and who claimed that our Seyh was false, which gave us more reason to beleive that we were on Haqq! There were many other intrigues which lasted some 5 years, finally the Seyh claimed that he was a Seyh of his own branch completely independent of Moulana too. It was at this point that Moulana and Seyh Hishaam spoke against him publicly, bringing down a cult that left many damaged souls in the process. This Seyh now has a huge following of One – Himself!
Shahzad, you don’t know anything about Seyh Abdul Kerim… this much is clear… if you want to know, ask me privately.. stop making this a public demonstration of your own instability by denying the obvious. Michigans words have already been proven wrong. If you fear this outcome for Seyh Abdul Kerim Effendi, don’t worry. Leave it in Maulana’s hands… like you said, the other one ended up in disaster. Are you living in today or living in some possible tomorrow? Seyh Abdul Kerim’s family has been serving tarikat for five generations, from where do you get the fear for this? You are thinking people are putting Seyh Abdul Kerim above Maulana, but all I see is a completely unfounded distracting argument.. it is Seyh Abdul Kerim Effendi which has produced the best and most beautiful work for Seyh Maulanas sake.
You want to stand against him for fear of some future? Maybe within this there is a sign of how deeply you were tricked by a minor dajjal.
Bismillahir Rahmaanir Rahiim
Asalaamu alaikum.
Shahzad, yes this is a public forum. Which means the world gets to witness your lunatic ravings. There is nothing emotional about me telling you that you should FEAR ALLAH for your words. There is nothing beneficial in anything you have said and you continue to compound the payment you will face for the fitnah you contribute so happily to. It is clear from your comments that you are affiliated with no one but Shaytan, as you lack the most basic aspects of adab. Just because something is a public forum does not mean that you have a right to be abusive and disrespectful. It should make you think twice about what you say. But you have no modesty, no fear of Allah, no Islam at all that i can see, so i expect nothing from you. i merely caution you, for your own sake, to pull yourself back from an abyss that you are creating. You can take or leave the advice. You are certainly free to continue making a fool of yourself and earning wrath for Judgment Day. Do not let my “emotion” stop you from your folly by any means, LOL.
Salaamu Alaikum Wr Wb
BismillahHirRahmanNirRahim
Meded
Brother Shahzad, you yourself have experienced what can say probably a heart break of events, though im 100% in saying this you won’t experiecnce this with Shaikh Abdul Kerim, he is sincere.
Aaminah i’ve not been abusive in any of my postings, please show me where i have and i will repent from it. i have merely asked some questions but rather than answering the questions i’ve received emotional responses.
I think you need to teach osmanliturk some respect before teaching others – The picture of new york dergah you paint is not looking so rosy.
Yursil – what is the most beautiful work you speak of? i hope osmanliturk is not one of them.
my email is shazad.dad@gmail.com – i would like to speak to you in private
look above i edited the comment to include one example..
I can’t take responsibility for every person on the earth. Everyone has their own views. Most of them are better than myself. But Haqq is still Haqq. Truth about this Dergah and truth about Seyh Abdul Kerim is still truth. As far as emailing me, my email is my first name @gmail.com
BismillahHirRahmanNirRahim
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAk81FRH_e0
Look at the greeting of Sultan and Shaikh Abdul Kerim MaShaAllah.
Bismillahir Rahmaanir Rahiim
Asalaamu alaikum.
Shahzad… You do not take hints, perhaps Maulana will have to hit you upside the head to teach you… The fact that you do not even give salaams tells us that you do not intend peace upon your brothers and sisters in this “forum”, nor have you even once begun in the Name of Allah. Your questions are all disrespectful – every one of them. You have never said that you see anything wrong with Sh Kabbani misusing sohbet to rant against a fellow shaykh in hateful terms, so you must approve of what he said. That is disrespectful. You have twisted the conversation away from the real issue to pose your own questions that had no place in this particular conversation – that is disrespectful. You have assumed the worst of Sh Effendi Abdul Kerim, affirmed that you feel you have reason to be suspicious of him and that it is your place to question him and his work – that is disrespectful. You continue to assert that there is “cultish” behavior in our group while pointing to nothing true or specific. Nor have i given you even one single “emotional response”, nor has Yursil, nor has Sufi (who both have frankly been exceedingly kind to you). It is interesting that you claim your right to speak in a disgusting manner in a “public forum” but then attempt to censure everyone else. Very interesting, and very hypocritical. Rather than accepting any of the “proofs” or examples given to you, you continue to question in the same way. It is clear you are not seeking truth because it has been facing you all along and yet it is you who respond emotionally and irrationally and refuse to look at what stares you in the face. And yet again, you completely miss the point – which is that you are going to answer to Allah for every word you have typed here. Wouldn’t it be better, for your own soul’s sake, to stop arguing with me and others? To subsume your own ego for one minute? i will not be answering for your comments, nor will anyone else be answering for them. It is on you and if you wish to continue to add to your sins so be it.
Aaminah, It’s quiet easy to copy and paste Asalaamu alaikum and Bismillahir Rahmaanir Rahiim – does not mean that you actually mean it – you tend to type it but what comes from you is not exactly peaceful! – i say it before i type.
You have questioned my Islam
>>But you have no modesty, no fear of Allah, no Islam at all that i can see, so i expect nothing from you
Can you take a measurement of your own Iman and let me have a reading! Stop projecting your own state on me!
Your words smell off wahabism – if nothing else Shaykh Hisham was right that some of the followers of Shaykh Kebrisi are like wahabis – who else questions the Iman of other Muslims?
I think you have overly stretched the definition of the word “respect” to the extent that if one were to breath out of their left nostril you will consider it disrespect! But you have not given me a single example where i have been “disrespectul” – i’m not on this forum to personalise attacks as i don’t know any of you, but i am getting to know you “virtually” – and you never know if you extend your kindness enough, you may see me at the dergah in new York
Wa Alaikum Asalaam and Bismillahir Rahmaanir Rahiim
Shahzad, are you serious? Michigan just called Sh Abdul Kerim, Abu Lahab, a Kaafir.. and then he said his followers are worse than him, so he called us all kaafirs… really if some people are upset on that and react you have no right to say anything.
Salaamu Alaikum Wr Wb
BismillahHirRahmanNirRahim
Meded ya Sayyid
In the teachings of Sutlan, we must greet, talk, welcome our brother or sister as if it was him (Sultan) to show the same greetings to show the same welcoming to show the same mannerism’s etc, please do not lose this teaching this advice, from the highest of all stations, please refrain your tongue and calm yourselves, seriously your harming your ownselves if you lose self control of what you type as there is a recompense for it also a burden of it.
Bismillahir Rahmaanir Rahiim
Asalaamu alaikum
Shahzad, nothing but kindness has been extended to you here. Good advice has been given to you and you ignore it to keep showing off just how low and stupid you can get. i gave you specific examples and you say i did not. Just as Yursil and others pointed to specific answers to your inappropriate questions and yet you claim you’ve been given no answers. Why are you still here but to make fitnah? Again, i have done nothing but kindly and patiently – and yes, peacefully, LOL – advised you to consider how you will answer to Allah for your comments. SubhanAllah, but you are a hardheaded fool who keeps digging his own hell. AlhamdulAllah if i never have to see you at the dergah, but alhamdulAllah if you should be relieved of your mental condition such that you are fit to visit the dergah and benefit from it. May Allah guide you, as you certainly have taken no guidance from the awliya. To you be your way.
Brother Yursil, don’t make matters worse than they are already, i think if he wanted to use the word Kaafir he would have.
On a seperate note altogether – Grandshaykh said that we all have the potential of being a ‘Pharoah’ and called many of his murids Shaytans! never mind Abu Lahab.
BTW Aaminah, a Dergah is a mental hospital as Moulana has said, which is why i intend to visit the Dergahs!
BismillahirRahmaanirRahiim
Shahzad:I think you need to teach osmanliturk some respect before teaching others – The picture of new york dergah you paint is not looking so rosy.
you saying that !now listen to me good.
1)who are you?
you khow how to say respect .go to that cingen of michigan.teach him a respect.
who is he?
who gave him a permission to speak like that?
he dosent have EDEB thats why he is speaking like that.
he attack first.
you think we not gonna say anyting?
he is attacking to grandson of the FATIH SULTAN HAN CENNET MEKAN.
we are the lion of OSMANLI.Whoever attack our SEYH SULTAN.
they have to be ready for everytinhg.
MiCHiGAN-i kabbani is not brave enough to come to ERLER MEYDANI.
He has to learn how to speak whit EDEB.they calling him a seyh.
SEYH can not speak like that in public.
he sould have good manor.
“Edeb bir taç imiş, Nur-i Hüda’dan,
Giy sen o taci ,emin ol her beladan.”
Edeb is crown from divine present,
wear that crown and you will be protected from all the trouble…..
He khows how to sale his turban in auction.if he khows little bid meaning of wearing a turban.
i dont think he was gonna make that sohbet about our SEYH SULTAN.
Shahzadddddddddd!!! i tihnk you are one of theme.
did you understand or not?
if you wanna see rose garden of dergah?
go to up state they will show you their rose garden.
you can only spaek like cingen of michigan.
dont speak to much.dont defend BATIL.
I’m not making matters worse, they made the matters worse. They called us Abu Lahab, and worse. Abu Lahab is CURSED outright in the Quran for eternity.
Of course, but he does not call his murids Pharoah’s, we are with him an inshaAllah we find safety from that. Left alone, we are worse than Pharoahs.
by what measure are my posts blocked
Bismillah
Shahzad, i know what the dergah is and you need not speak to me like i am a child. You claim that you have been with Maulana for 19 years and yet your speech is like one who has never heard of tariqah. How can you accept that Sh Effendi Abdul Kerim is the doctor that you need if you are defending another shaykh’s right to call him names? Please do not answer that – i do not need to know how you rationalize. Your comments continue to be completely irresponsible but alhamdulAllah, you don’t answer to me. Again, Allah is watching and listening to all and you clearly have no shame. i only do not understand why you would not find some other place to be since you think so lowly of our shaykh and us. You are not bound to keep us company here, so perhaps you might consider that.
We speak only truth, though not all are capable of hearing or understanding.
“Elephant in the Dark” .
Some Hindus have an elephant to show.
No one here has ever seen an elephant.
They bring it at night to a dark room.
One by one, we go in the dark and come out
saying how we experience the animal.
One of us happens to touch the trunk.
“A water-pipe kind of creature.”
Another, the ear. “A very strong, always moving
back and forth, fan-animal.”
Another, the leg. “I find it still,
like a column on a temple.”
Another touches the curved back.
“A leathery throne.”
Another, the cleverest, feels the tusk.
“A rounded sword made of porcelain.”
He’s proud of his description.
Each of us touches one place
and understands the whole in that way.
The palm and the fingers feeling in the dark are
how the senses explore the reality of the elephant.
If each of us held a candle there,
and if we went in together,
we could see it.
osmanliturk where did you learn such good manners?
Aaminah, the more you curse me, the more i want to visit the Dergah!
Bismillah
LOL, if this is what you call cursing, i wonder how it is that you do not speak vocally against the disgusting behavior that occured during that so-called sohbet out of Michigan. Clearly you are living in a backwards world and do not know the difference between haqq and batil, good and bad. AlhamdulAllah… you still answer to Allah.
Grand sheikh usde to swear at shekh nazim but moulana used to smile back .
Why all the serious and long faces here?
YAWRUMMMMM shahzad!!!!
GELENE HOS GELDIN GIDENE GULE GULE.
WELCOME TO THOSE THAT COME,
FAREWELL TO THOSE THAT LIVE.
Grandsheikhs swears were swears of approval on the inside… the heart knows. The heart knows what this is also. Besides, Michigan is far from being Seyh Abdul Kerim’s murshid, that is for Maulana alone.
We are very happy alhamdulillah, because batil didnt approve of Haqq… its a badge of honor.
BismillahirRahmanirRahim
Asalaamu alaykum,,
@Nasruddin….at least Grandsheikh sadi it to Maulana’s face and not behind his back..and Grandsheikh swore, he didnt slander or backbite of be abusive to another mans wife….Why
Because a true awliya doesnt behave in such disgraceful manner!!!!
Tell me….what has SH acheived by spewing the poison that has been putrefying in his belly for so long????
What has he gained from it?? The stench of it is so vile….that the fitnah he has created, the confusion he has caused had spread so wide and far!
You see, he has only damaged himself, murids are seeing now, people are beginning to open their eyes to his tactics, questioning his motives, asking why he would do such a disgraceful thing….He has even made some doubt the tarikat and even their iman!!!
Bravo to him.!!
In everyway, he has only damaged himself……
Yursil, if you can accept Grandsheikhs swears, can you not accept that these swears may in fact be from Grandsheikh? as i’m sure you know that Moulana said of Shaykh Hisham that Grandsheikh is happy with him and Prophet (saw) is also happy with him. Although it was “decades” ago, what is time infront of the awliya?
Anon, tariqa is constant re-evaluation, would you not agree?
OK.. enough is enough. comments I don’t like will be deleted now.
shazad, didn’t you just give me an example a few moments ago of Maulana disapproving of someone who was approved of before? People make their own choices, Awliya hope they make the best ones.
that’s right i i did, but slightly different when Grandsheikh and Prophet (saw) are approving, would you not say?
Why delete, its just about to get interesting. Do you not see the wisdom in all of this?
Shazad…ofcourse i agreee with you!!!!! Alhamdulillah..
And re-evaluation is taking place right now, thanks to SH vile speech, he has made people too look closely and ask, and re-evaluate…who are they following? who are the true ones, who are the sincere ones, who are after power and glory, and who are after the their Lords pleasure…
Indeed, this re-evaluation has opened eyes…ALHAMDULILLAH!!!!!
Only yesterday after watching Maulana’s sohbet i saw the displeasure in Maulana’s Holy eyes when they were told SH is in Washington!!!!!!!!
So many, more and more asking Who is Sheikh Abdul Kerim!!! MashaALLAH! MashaALLAH!!!!
Looks like it is all backfiring for the Michigan lot!
Didn’t you say that the person received even higher praises?
no there is no wisdom in this discussion, just a lot dealing with a teflon brain.
Can you apoligise on my behalf to Shaykh Adaul Kerim if i have disparaged him in anyway, if i see him some day i will apologise to him directly. We are all mureeds of the same Sultan – even kalifas are children in front of him, we (mureeds)are less than children..
I did say that Yursil but i also said that Moulana did disaprove too of the same man, when has Moulana disaproved of Shaykh Hisham?
BismillahriRahmanirRahim
Shaykh Abdul Kerim Sohbet
http://vimeo.com/groups/naksibendi/videos/1143372
“So now…We are not here of course to say this. Because some people starting to put fitnah and confusion from every side. We say. We are not going to give answer back. And we are not giving answer back. We are just saying certain things for our people to understand, where we are standing point..saying because some coming to me saying “Shaykh, why are you not saying same things to them why, Why are you not attacking?”
We are not going to attack. We will not fall in the same level.They can attack much as they want, we are not going to attack back. Because we love Shaykh Maulana. And if it is necessary we are going to help them . When the time comes we will help. InshaAllah we will find that in our heart to be able to reach to them, to help. “
Salaamu Alaikum Wr Wb
BismillahHirRahmanNirRahim
Many thanks Brother Yursil for that video, Alhamdulilah Allah senden razi olsun kardes, beautiful sohbet, also would like to add is it shahzad or shazad, or are the 2 the same ?
May Allah bless us all.
SubhanAllah! that is a true mureed.
BismillahirRahmanirRahim
Medet,
I like how this Shazad lives in his own imaginary world where because HE hasn’t met Sheykh Abdul-Kerim Effendi Hz until last month, he feels he needs to plant himself here and act the devil’s advocate(apt choice of words) about Sheykh Abdul-Kerim Hz, and passive-aggressively defend Michigan’s outrageous attacks, openly vilifying the character of a beloved deputy of Sheykh Mevlana, a Sheykh, a saint, – and then criticize others here for defending their love with emotion, which is only HUMAN. Subhan’Allah. What an obtuse person you are Shazad. Can’t you see that so many people here love Sheykh Abdul-Kerim Hz, and are defending attacks on him because of their love for him. Don’t you see that he has never openly tried to assassinate the character of anyone by name from this tariqat out of respect for Sheykh Moulana’s sunnat, which is the same.
19-years long murid, and you don’t see what’s right in front of you, yet you thickly want to be the center of attention here. I’ve washed my hands of you Shazad. You, nor Michigan and their putrid bile, nor any such similar-minded “advocates” can take away anything form Sheykh Abdul-Kerim Effendi Hz. He has continued his work from the beginning following his Sheykh to the letter of the law, embodying Sheykh Mevlana’s sunnat every step of the way, and I and thousands of others believe and are willing to sacrifice their life on the trust that he will continue to do so until he leaves this world – May Allah grant him Long Life, Strong Life and Healthy Life!! Ameen!
I don’t know Sheykh Mevlana personally, nor have I ever spent time with him, or spoken to him physically. But I know Sheykh Mevlana through Sheykh Abdul Kerim Effendi Hz, and knowing Sheykh Abdul-Kerim Effendi Hz and the magnificent, majestic, and wonderfully generous person that he is, I understand only a drop of what His Sheykh, Sheykh Mevlana must be, but I can appreciate on that level who Sultan-ul Awliya is.
What can one learn about Sheykh Mevlana through Michigan and the vomit-ous words which he spewed unilaterally on Sheykh Abdul-Kerim Effendi Hz? We know who resorts to such underhanded tactics, time and time again. We know this is not the first time. But the class and grace with which Sheykh Abdul-Kerim Hz has handled all the other episodes of dirty maneuvers to sling mud at him, is evident here and now, even in the wake of the most vicious and vitriolic incident yet. Do you see the sunnat of Sheykh Mevlana here? A Sheykh is one who leads in the example and sunnat of Holy Prophet (ASWS). What do you see here? What do you see from Michigan? Or will you play blind man even now? Or are you a plant native to Michigan soil? In a world where the Rightly-Guided Sheykhs are giving their sweat, blood and tears in Tariqat-al Aaliyah to get people to WAKE UP from Heedless stations, you are the stubborn cliche’ which refuses to budge. It’s really tired Shazad. Play another card, make yourself interesting, or call it a day. You’ve caught just about all you can with your bait. All that’s left for you to hook is the tired “old boot”.
Ma’as-Salaam
Bismillahir Rahmaanir Rahiim
Asalaamu alaikum.
i feel that i have perhaps been remiss by not stating pointedly that i am from Michigan myself and have lived all but perhaps a year total of my life in Michigan. i have never become associated with the Michigan branch of the tariqa for many reasons, all of which can simplest be attributed to the mercy and protection of Allah. i have had opportunity to see what the method of this branch is like and to hear of/from others who have been involved to some degree. In fact, since i took bayat i have been asked repeatedly why i did not take bayat to the shaykh that i am in closer proximity to. But Allah guided me with sure signs to Seyh Effendi Abdul Kerim, and i may be a fool in many ways but not so much that i would ignore clear and obvious signs. Prior to those signs, i was given a dream of Maulana Nazim, before i knew who he was. It seems odd to me that having known of the Michigan branch for some years, i did not even know they were in any way connected to Maulana Nazim, nor did i know Maulana Nazim’s name, having never heard him referred to by anyone from the Michigan branch, when Allah graced me with the dream in which he appeared. i knew only that the shaykh who spoke to me in my dream was the Sultan, though i couldn’t explain how that was knowable to me. Later in the dream i also heard another shaykh leading dhikr in another room with Maulana. When i first set eyes on Seyh Effendi Abdul Kerim in a video i was immediately drawn to him and listening to him i knew that he was the teacher i had been looking for, and that it was his voice i had heard in my dream. There were other signs as well, there is no point in enumerating them all here. But i want to say quite clearly, i could have chosen to follow the Michigan group but i was wary of it, i was not drawn to it. By Allah’s Will i was drawn to Seyh Effendi Abdul Kerim. Having not even met him in person yet, i can say i have never regretted my decision to follow him and i know something of him and thru him something of our Sultan, Maulana Nazim, whose name and leadership is always affirmed. And i know it was not my choice, it was not my own wisdom that guided me but Allah. AlhamdulAllah. Seyh Effendi does not need to defend himself, he does not need to stoop to address these false accusations. His teachings speak for themselves and show that he is a shaykh of honor and wisdom, giving us a glimpse of the honor and wisdom of Sh Maulana Nazim. As i said in an earlier comment, the proof is there for anyone who is a sincere seeker, and inshaAllah the sincere will be guided.
As-Salaamu `alaykem
All I want to say is 1st, Shaykh Hisham is a very big Awliya of our time, He is the Qutub ul Mutassarif of this universe and for someone of his calibre to speak against someone cannot be lies. As Awliya cannot lie as its haraam. So I believe that whatever Shaykh Hisham has said is the truth and the love that Mawlana Shaykh Nazim has for for Shaykh Hisham and Shaykh Adnan is unimaginable. Also Shaykh Hisham is Mawlana Shaykh’s son in law, so he is related to the Sultanu`l Awliyaa. So how can the Sultan’s Son in law lie about these things. In everything that happens, there is wisdom.
Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim,
I find it very odd that the same person who claims to represent Shaykh Mawlana turns around to attack an action that was taken as a result of Shaykh Mawlana’s DIRECT orders – and as we can see from the numerous amounts of indisputable evidence above, this Dergah was indeed opened with the permission and blessings of Sultan al-Awliya.
Whats even more disturbing is that this so called ‘shaykh’ has the audacity to make such unfounded accusations as to claim that Shaykh Abdul Kerim is trying to challenge Shaykh Mawlana when he is most likely the only person in the world who can say that FIVE generations of his family has been serving Shaykh Mawlana; from his grandfather (rah) to his grandson.
It’s no mystery the Shaykh Abdul Kerim Effendi is greatly loved by Shaykh Mawlana and his a very big responsibility and role in the tarikat now and in the days to come, as Shaykh Mawlana personally gave him the honorable title, Sahib al-Saif, indicating his high position during the time of Imam Mahdi (as).
The fact that Shaykh Abdul Kerim has always showed patience and good adab when faced with these sorts of attacks in the past, including many by the Michigan shaykh himself, only brings more honor to him and shows him to be a true deputy of Sultan al-Awliya, while those who are persistent on making fitna only fall to lower and lower levels, disgracing their name in the heavens and on earth.
May Allah (swt) continue to bless Shaykh Abdul Kerim with his work and grant both him and Shaykh Mawlana long and healthy lives in the years to come. Everyone can say whatever they want in these dark times when confusion and fitna is rampant throughout the world, but when the time of Mahdi (as) comes and the dust settles .. everyone will see who is a horse and who is a donkey.
As has been already stated on numerous occasions above, “The dogs will bark, but the caravan continues its journey” May the blessings and support of Sultan al-Awliya continue to be with the caravan of our noble shaykh, Shaykh Abdul Kerim al-Kibrisi.
Some people on here who are not on the level of Khaliphas and making harsh comments about Sheikh Hisham Kabbani(qs) need to fear Allah and shut up.
At least emulate the one you are claiming to follow and be quiet.
Even if he were a dog (Astagfirullah) he is the Sultan’s dog he has his reasons for barking.Let him be.
Your job is to show respect (the least of which is to remain quiet) not to bark back.
If you can’t respect him as a deputy atleast respect him as a member of his family.You think Moulana made such a poor choice for a son in law.
Majnun at the mere sight of a dog of the TOWN of Laila would get up out of LOVE and RESPECT.
This is my final post on this matter.I hope brother Yursil clears it for posting.
As a final remainder for those who have intelligance please read up on Surah Yusuf.
Bismillahi Rahmani Rahim
Asalaam Alaykum,
I’ve been reading the comments on this post over the last couple of days and it has been a learning experience to say the least. I’m relatively new to Sheikh Abdul Karim’s tariqat or any tariqat for that matter, so this entire episode has been eye opening for me. I met Sheikh Abdul Karim about 11 months ago and took initiation about 3 months ago. I was very suspicious of any religious authority at the time, but now I embrace it. I embrace it because I see a true example of it.
As for this long list of comments, I’ve read all of them and I’ve been hesitant to say anything because I feared I would say something incorrect and its better not to say anything at all. But now I think I see a more complete picture.
To the ‘New York group’; Mashallah, your righteous ferocity towards these slanders leaves me impressed and inspired. The respondents saw right past the excuses and ‘unbiased questions’ and did not budge an inch, truly like Haqq would not budge for Batil even one iota, no matter what guise it comes in. I am very inspired and moved by your defense of Sheikh Abdul Karim.
This episode leaves me even more greateful to know Sheikh Abdul Karim and the sincere ones around him. I am hopeful that I will reach to safety and something worthy with such a genuine guide, but I also am warned that if murid’s with many years of tariqat can be so heedless, I better be very careful on this path, its a heavy burden with many snares of the ego waiting in ambush. May Allah help and guide us all. Ameen.
Wasalaam.
Bismillahi Rahmani Rahim
As salam alaikum Yursil
Below I am copying an email I sent to the sufilive people. I did not really expect them to take down the videos, but at least there are some words that need to be said to them. Shaykh Effendi, masha’Allah, is a true saint that leaves his issue to the hands of Allah and every night prays to Allah that anyone who is attaching him may be pardoned. Not only that, he is ready to help the wrongdoer. That we know for sure. That we have also seen very recently. These are simply facts. Yet it is for us as murids to speak defending his honour as we know that if it is only up to him he would never raise his voice to defend himself. May Allah give long life to Shaykh Effendi Hazleteri (qs) and may he be raised to even higher and higher station by the hand of Sultan al Awliya.
Let everyone reading this post and comments to deeply think about something: why is it that Mawlana Shaykh Nazim has granted permission to establish a osmanli nakshibendi dergah closwe to him? … Think on it … It is not really difficult not esoteric, only for awliya to see. No. May be it is just because he is sending a subtle sign to every intelligent murid for them to start paying more attention to osmanli teachings.
Mawlana is Osmanli. He is the first and foremost osmanli nakshibendi shaykh in this time. He has said: ‘Biz Osmanliyiz Pek Shanliyiz’ openly in an interview, speaking to turkish authorities (just as he did in Shaykh Effendi’s dergah years ago, too).
Part 1: http://vimeo.com/10172276
Part 2: http://vimeo.com/10484549
Part 3: http://vimeo.com/10520156
(watch the series of the three videos, in turkish with translation into english, and rejoice to see our Osmanli Sultan speaking with such heybet and honour that fills our heart with love for his ottoman forefathers)
Mawlana has expressly said that Shaykh Effendi is Khalipha. But even asking for such a proof is a sign that something is not going on good either in the intelligence or the heart, if you just know a little bit about Shaykh Effendi.
Anyway, if yoy still need it, have it here, and, again, look at our ottoman grandshaykh delighted with Shaykh Effendi, giving him permission to pray friday prayer:
http://vimeo.com/10319303
If some khalipha does not like that, let him swallow it and fix it deeply in his heart!! If some murid does not like it, the same goes for him too.
Not to go around foolishly saying: it is a hadith, you must stay away from turks (astaghfirullah, once again, as he did in the past, confusing turkish identity with osmanli identity, while we all know that Shaykh Effendi and Mawlana are defending osmanli identity for turkish people, not the false secularist modernist identity at all). Daring to use a hadith to make twisted views acceptable. Astaghfirullah.
These are recent words of Mawlana Shaykh Nazim Sultan of Awliya, whether you like it or not:
“Just reported through history of mulook, kings, that Sultan Ahmad that built the Blue Mosque in Istanbul, and he was sultan bahrayn wa ‘l-barrayn, hakkan sultan, saying whole barriyah, continents and oceans, Allah granted to them such an honor, such a greatness, that whole non-Muslim world they were trembling from haybat as-salaateen, that greatness dressed them. Now Turkey taking them away from their country, from their lands, no value now.
But Ottomans, up to end at the beginning of 20th century, whole world was trembling from their greatness. Now they left it, they sent awya and what happened, you know and they know also.
That one Sultan Ahmad, Allah grants him Jannat al-Firdaws, was sitting on `Arsh al-Mamlakaat, his throne, and anyone anytime saying the name of the Seal of the Prophets (s), he was standing up for honor of Sayyidina Muhammad (s)…. (Mawlana stands, then sits.) …..
Anyone said holy name of Sayyidina Rasoolullah (s), he was standing up and sitting, even hundred times, he was standing hundred times and sitting.
What they are doing now, [the] Salafi `ulama? [Is it that] At the time of salateen (kings) [there were] no `ulama[?].
If it was haraam or bud`a [innovation] why they are not saying [it so]? Their `ulamas [ottoman 'ulamas] just filled hundreds of libraries for their knowledge that they are taking from Holy Qur’an and holy hadith of Rasoolullah (s) … ” (From sohbet on January 20th, 2010)
So, just for the record, to make people focus on the main issue that we are defending here, this was the letter sent to sufilive that up until today they have not answered.
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“This is a copy of your message that you sent to SufiLive.com
Name: Nureddin Cueva
Email: [I am deleting it so that no spam can get in my email]
Bismillahi Rahmani Rahim
As salam alaikum
What a regrettable act it is to have on your website those two ‘suhbas’ attacking and slandering one of Mawlana Shaykh Nazim’s khaliphas, that is, Shaykh Abdul Kerim Effendi Hazleteri (qs). You have totally lost any sense of shame. How can you even compare one of Mawlana’s khaliphas with the strongest kafir enemy to Holy Prophet (saaws)? La hawla wa la quwwata illa billah. Akhir of Akhir zaman indeed!
Did you become so blind that you are using such words for him and his wife that neither an average non muslim public [figure] would dare to use and make public regarding another public figure due simply to a universal common sense of shame? Do you call that ‘bravery’? Is it not simply sin and dhulm?
How do you dare to touch the honour of another muslim’s wife through internet? Think for a second if you would like another person to attack not only you but also your wife speaking from the safety of internet. Would you accept that? Of course not. Where in the world can that be acceptable? Do I really need to quote ayats and ahadith for that purpose? Shame on you!
Repent. By maintaining these videos on this website you are also being part of this shameful and antiislamic act, a part of this sin. In any case, if you don’t like something, you should learn the basics of adab of disagreement first and not to make a self revealing public show of ridiculous and childish attitudes that are only bringing down your position for every one with a simple honest mind to see that such bitterness and slanders and most vilifying and very low attacks are not compatible at all with any real tariqa teachings, let alone simply Islam.
My beloved Shaykh Abdul Kerim Effendi Hazleteri (qs) is beloved to Sultan al Awliya Grandshaykh Mawlana Nazim al Haqqani (qs).
May Fitna-makers be shut down totally if people doing it do not repent. From Lima, Peru. Nureddin Cueva García
Biz Osmanliyiz Pek Shanliyiz”
May Allah bless Shaykh Effendi and protect him against any vicious and low attack. And may the hearts of the attackers repent and finally come to join with a Lion of Islam, Shaykh Mawlana’s best Lion in tarika. Allahu Akbar!
What a blessing you have given us Ya Rabbi sending such a great wali as Shaykh Effendi to our lives, even when we do not have any right at all to meet him, not to talk about meeting his majestic and oceanic shaykh, Mawlana Shaykh. Such a Sultan of Awliya about whom Shaykh Effendi has said time after time, again and again: “My neck is under his feet”. “He is the biggest wali ever sent to this Ummah”. “If it not because he is supporting us, my body could not remain standing upon this feet for a single day”.
That is real love. Real adab. And a real Shaykh and Grandshaykh, for everyone to know it and to see it.
If you say you are naqshbandi, either accept it gladly or swallow it.
Salams
Nureddin
Aaminah, i’m not going to question your choice, you can only but benefit from something that is done with sincereity.
I had a listen to the sohbet from Shaykh Abdul Kerim, and feel that he handled himself with honour and dignity.
Hyder Ali
If people here claim to follow him, then they should at least do the same.
defending the love you have for him should not stoop to calling the Son-in Law of SULTAN a dog! Do you think that the SULTAN would make such a choice for a son-in-law as you claim!
Whatever you make of the comments from Shaykh Hisham, at least it was from khalifa to khalifa.
Bismillahi Rahmani Rahim
Salam brothers and sisters,
I am also of the naqshbandi tariqat, but a different branch. From the day I learned about the Naqshbandis in USA it’s always been Sheikh Hisham attacking Sheikh Abdul Kerim Effendi AND Sheikh Effendi defending himself without calling anyone names. Now who is the trouble maker…the one who slanders or the one who defends himself??? The whole reason why I became a friend of the Osmanli Naqshbandis (Sheikh Abdul Kerim) because of their good adab. Never have I personally heard Sheikh Abdul Kerim call any of the other reps of Maulana by any disrespectful names. MashAllah…if a Sheikh has no adab how does one except his students to have adab??????
To sit here and try to compare what Sheikh Hisham did to what Grand Sheikh had said to Maulana is a puuure joke and a lame excuse for what Sheikh Hisham is doing. Grand Sheikh was the Murshid of Maulana so he had every right to train his mureed the way he saw right, is Sheikh Hisham the Murshid of Sheikh Abdul Kerim? What exactly was the benefit for Sheikh Hisham to go and slander someone behind his back and mock him and have people laughing in the background? where is the adab? where has this ever happened in the history of tariqat where people are callign each other Abu Lahab, and some blind followers make it ok???!!! This is bida’at in Tariqat. This is total lack of adab to sit there and call your own Muslim brother names and compare him to Abu Lahab…there is no need to be called ‘outright’ kafir as the word ‘Abu Lehab’ says it all…so please people don’t make any excuses for Sheikh Hisham. This was his last and final battle for attention and he lost it beyond anyone’s imagination. May Allah help him during this difficult time and May Allah continue to Bless Sheikh Abdul Kerim with honor and dignity…
May Allah bless you all and May Allah open the eyes of those who are following blindy
Alhamdullilahi Rabil Alameen
Bismillahi Rahmani Rahim
A few Ayats:
O you who believe! People should not ridicule others who may be better than themselves, nor should any women ridicule other women who may be better than themselves… (Surat al-Hujurat, 49:11)
Qur’an 49:11 Surah Al-Hujurat (The Inner Apartments)
O ye who believe! let not some men among you laugh at others: it may be that the (latter) are better than the (former): Nor let some women laugh at others: it may be that the (latter) are better than the (former): nor defame nor be sarcastic to each other nor call each other by (offensive) nicknames: Ill-seeming is a name connoting wickedness (to be used of one) after he has believed: And those who do not desist are (Indeed) doing wrong.
Qur’an 49:12 Surah Al-Hujurat (The Inner Apartments)
O ye who believe! avoid suspicion as much (as possible): for suspicion in some cases is a sin: and spy not on each other nor speak ill of each other behind their backs. Would any of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? Nay ye would abhor it…but fear Allah: for Allah is Oft-Returning Most Merciful.
Surah Al-Humazah (Gossip monger)
Woe to gossip mongers. Who pile wealth which will not last forever. They will be thrown in the fire which reaches to the hearts in tall columns over them.
“Woe to every (kind of) scandal-monger and-backbiter”. Al-Quran(104:1)
Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim,
With all this going on, its quite sad. I took bayyah with Shaykh Hisam two years ago but never fully embraced the tariqa so obviously I am not a murid in this tariqa. Now today I know a group of SHaykh Effendi’s mureeds. They are very welcoming, and have us of other tariqat come to do dhikr with them.
All this talk and certain things I hear within the Haqqani tariqa, I have to say, it reminds me WAY TOO MUCH of the Hare Krishna movement after Srila Prabhupada died. I was a Hare Krishna for a couple years and I can be honest in saying this inner back and forth and rivalry is all too cult like and reminiscent of the Hare Krishnas. I know of a couple people, including myself, that have been interested in the tariqa but have since lost all interest in taking bayyah in it because of this cultish mentality.
May Allah SWT guide and protect and send his blessings down upon Shaykh Effendi and Shaykh Hisham. May he rectify us from error and transgressions. Amin.
BismillahirRahmanirRahim
Salamu’alaykum,
Wayfarer, actually the way you are understanding this issue needs to be reevaluated.. There is really no back and forth, there is really only attacks on spiritual authority coming from one direction. There have been statements made by enemies throughout the years, culiminating in this recent slander, and only two years ago Seyh Abdul Kerim Effendi made some matters clear by just giving the facts and thats it.
Some murids are heartbroken and they love to defend their shaykhs, they respond with some fervor, but this is exactly the least anyone could expect.
The only thing left is to say, let us continue our zikr.
Bismillahir Rahmaanir Rahiim
Asalaamu alaikum.
Shazad, you wrote “Whatever you make of the comments from Shaykh Hisham, at least it was from khalifa to khalifa.” This is why i say that you should stop while you are ahead. You are defending Sh Kabbani’s right to say much worse things while telling others not to say anything? And, it was NOT “from khalifa to khalifa”. It was a sohbet done in front of his students, broadcasting live to others around the world, and knowing full well that it would be posted publicly afterwards. And it was denying Sh Effendi Abdul Kerim’s khalifa status. If it were khalifa to khalifa, such dishonorable words would not have been spoken, and it would have been handled behind closed doors without the laughter and mockery that occured. Then there would be no discussion at all because any disagreement would have not met the ears of any of us. If someone wishes to make a public fool and charlatan of himself, then it is only natural that others will publicly state that is what they see him doing.
As to the arguments about the shaykh being part of Maulana’s family, that is rather useless argument. Perhaps the wisdom in the marriage was a hope that the wife might, thru her beautiful manners and exemplary blood line, be able to counter the attacks of ego that the husband suffers so publicly. It is not the failure of Maulana, if a man chooses to not live up to all he is capable of. Perhaps there are other reasons we will never know, but Maulana made a good decision at the time that we accept. Now he is making a different decision and it is your turn to accept. It is interesting that people see no problem with believing the worst of Sh Abdul Kerim, believing the rumor and lies and assuming that Maulana made a “mistake” in choosing him as khalifa – but cannot see what is right before their own eyes. Who behaves honorably versus who behaves dishonorably?
And for others to tell their brothers and sisters to “shut up”? If you worried for one moment about the sins you are compounding upon yourself, you would indeed stop speaking lies and venom. It is a good thing that you have decided to stop being a hypocrite and desist in your postings.
Allah protects those who serve Him. So we shall see in coming days who is protected and who falls from their station. As Khalil reminds us, we are all at risk of our egos and must fight to stay righteous. Some people have too quickly handed over their righteousness to their egos, and may they repent and return to Allah. Others have striven to subsume their egos in even the most trying of times, and may Allah reward them, ameen. In all this are lessons for those of us who are of such lowly stations, that we might be reminded the ego is a never-ending enemy to us, and that we might make a firm decision of whose example to follow if we are sincere.
looks likes only some posts get through. selective posting…
Every blog reserves the right to not post excessive vitriole… What has been allowed to post shows sufficient foolishness, why subject everyone to worse? Contrary to popular belief, this is not a public forum where everyone has the right to express themselves in as disgusting a manner as they desire. It is a personal blog.
yes it is… usually its my spam software, but its also under my discretion.
Bismillahi Rahmani Rahim
As salam alaikum Shazad
As osmanli nakshibendis we do not deny SHisham’s ijazat (definitly our Shaykh does not). But SH denies Sheykh Abdul Kerim’s ijazat. However, as the videos already posted plainly indicate, to deny that is simply to say something totally false.
SHisham’s ijazat is not only for America, but it is does not exclude Shaykh Effendi’s ijazat in America too nor the fact that Shaykh Effendi’s ijazat is also not only for America.
So stop false arguments with us. Don’t be stubborn and don’t make ridiculous statements.
A slander is a slander. That is the point. And ijazat does not give inmunity to slandering or violating another muslim honour and starting so low and vicious attack on another muslim honour, or does it? Of course not. Ijazat also does not give right to make antiislamic teachings under the flag of nakshibendi tarikat, such as defending democracy.
Ijazat is supposed to be acted upon loyally, that is, transmitting the teachings as received from the Grandshaykh of tarikat. Now, everyone can take a look at the three videos I indicated before, and reflect for a second: hearing this khalipha or hearing that khalipha, did I ever imagined such majestic teachings from Grandshaykh? My answer: hearing Shaykh Effendi, definitily I did. As for others, well, first you have to abandon praising democracy I guess.
Each one has a job, but the job that comes with ijaza is NOT to deny another khalipha or to compare him with the most stubborn and damned enemy of Holy Prophet (asws)! Or does it? Of course not.
Where is ego in all of this? It is clear for everyone to see.
Salams
Nureddin
Salaamu Alaikum Wr Wb
BismillahHirRahmanNirRahim
Alot of comments since last night, though ONLY one has caught my attention which I was really baffled on to really see…
From Brother/Sister Peace..
“”"”"”All I want to say is 1st, Shaykh Hisham is a very big Awliya of our time, He is the Qutub ul Mutassarif of this universe and for someone of his calibre to speak against someone cannot be lies. As Awliya cannot lie as its haraam. So I believe that whatever Shaykh Hisham has said is the truth and the love that Mawlana Shaykh Nazim has for for Shaykh Hisham and Shaykh Adnan is unimaginable. Also Shaykh Hisham is Mawlana Shaykh’s son in law, so he is related to the Sultanu`l Awliyaa. So how can the Sultan’s Son in law lie about these things. In everything that happens, there is wisdom.”"”"”
Ok I understand you love Shaikh Hisham, though your gravely mistaken, the Qutb of this time this era this age, is Sultan Awuila Mawlana Shaikh Muhammad Nazim Effendiminz not anyone else, please get your facts straight here, really baffles me when I see such comments. Regarding Awulias you must know there is a hierarchy in Awulia meaning ranks, the head is Sultan Nazim without a doubt, without him Shaikh Hisham Shaikh Abdul Kerim Shaikh Adnan Shaikh Hassan etc are nothing, they all are supported via Sultan Effendiminz, without him they are powerless, though they have there own mind and free speech the speech of Shaikh Hisham publicly mocking cursing another Khalifa is non excuseable and a grave sin, of calling one of Sultans Khalifa’s Abu Lahab, please think before you type anything here.
May Allah take away such fitna as its a test to us all being Khalfias or murids its a huge test so please don’t get involved in emotional speeches or slander etc, hold your tongue. And talk back with wisdom and adab.
Allah Hafiz
Shazad,
‘If people here claim to follow him, then they should at least do the same.”
Yursil’s blog exists to represent Sohbets from our Sheykh Abdul Kerim Effendi Hz, Zikr, Ilahis, and other relevant activities of the Osmanli Dergah of Sheykh Mevlana Nazim al Hakkani Hz, out of love and devotion to our Sheykh, and our Tariqat.
The same love and devotion, which will defend the honor of our Sheykh no matter what the cost. And still, you, here in the comments section of this post, are allowed to post your own comments in defense of your Sheykh, (Sh. Hisham), in scrutiny and suspicion of Sheykh Abdul Kerim Hz’s association and legitimacy as a deputy, seemingly in opposition to everyone here including the owner of this blog. Wow. Just you against the world? Impressive.
Not Really.
In Actuality, Dignity and Grace is what allows you to even post comments here, despite your repeated stubbornness to see reason in this one-sided assault. Because you have an agenda. But we know that. We are merely defending our Sheykh. And still allowing you to defend the attacks in question. Dignity and grace? I think we can agree that Yursil has that in spades. But I think you’ve gone far enough. Now you are sitting here and actually telling us how to respond? It’s difficult to take you seriously. But your Sheykh’s attacks? That we take VERY seriously. see above.
And to your other predicament – the manner of behavior on display in your video is unfit for a Sheykh. (Oh, I meant your Sheykh’s video.) We know this because of our own Sheykh’s example. I think lovers of Sheykh Abdul Kerim Effendi Hz are calling it what it is. Abu Lahab and his wife were kafirs, no? Cursed in the Quran, yes?
Ibn Umar (peace be upon him) said:
The Messenger of Allah (صلى الله عليه وسلم) said,
“When a person calls his brother (in Islam) a disbeliever, one of them will certainly deserve the title, If the one addressed is as he has asserted, the disbelief of the man is confirmed, but if it is untrue, then it will revert to him(the one who addressed).”
I think we can all agree this means that if the person you call a kafir is not one or does not have the traits of a kafir then you yourself will be held as kafir.
How, oh how, will one worm oneself out of this mess?
Hyder Ali – is Shaytan a kafir?
shaytan is within all of us when we act according to our egos… leave shaytan and return to your true self. stop defending obvious batil.
But is he Kafir? simple question
Where is this video by moulana?
Ask a Shaykh.
In my pocket for now, for better times. Let the shaitans dig their own grave first.
Dear Shahzad. A Hadith for you:
A’isha the wife of Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him), reported that one day Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) came out of her (apartment) during the night and she felt jealous. Then he came and he saw me (in what agitated state of mind) I was. He said: A’isha, what has happened to you? Do you feel jealous? Thereupon she said: How can it he (that a woman like me) should not feel jealous in regard to a husband like you. Thereupon Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: It was your devil who had come to you, and she said: Allah’s Mes- senger, is there along with me a devil? He said: Yes. I said: Is devil attached to everyone? He said: Yes. I (Aisha) again said: Allah’s Messenger, is it with you also? He said: Yes, but my Lord has helped me against him and as such I am ab solutely safe from his mischief.
Yursil is not calling you a Sheytan or a Kafir as your beloved Kabbani is calling our Seyh. He is saying your Sheytan is overwhelming you.
Shazad – Nice try – I think you got your answer.
Stop distracting from the real issue. There is no honor in being slippery.
I am a murid of Sultan Effendimiz, seyh Mevlana Nazim Adil el-Hakkani. I have not met Seyh Abdul Kerim, I have not met Seyh Hisham. But I am watching the “sohbet” (more like
“gheebat”) that Seyh Hisham is giving and I must say something.
To those who are claiming that the Prophet (AS) did not love the Turks:
You have no understanding of Islam. And you have no understanding of this Tarikat. And you have no understanding of Seyh Mevlana Nazim El-Hakkani.
When we talk of Turks, when we talk about the glorious history of the Turks, when we talk of the glorious history of Islam, we do not mean these dirty gypsy secular Turks who rule Turkey today. We mean the OSMANLI OTTOMAN TURKS!!!
The one who is not Osmanli, the one who does not love the Ottomans, that one does not have Islam. Why? Because then they do not love the Khalifas of Allah, the Sultans of the Ottoman Empire, who ruled correctly and protected Islam. They do not love the Seljuks who protected the Abbasid Khilafat from falling.
And they do not love our Grandseyhs. The majority of the great Evliya, from the Pir of our Tarikat Khwaja Shah Nakshibend el-Buhari, to Seyh Abdul Kadir Jilani, were TURKS. Our Grandshaykh Abdullah Dagestani was an OTTOMAN TURK. Our Grandseyh Halit el-Baghdadi was a TURK.
The secret of Islam is with the non-Arabs. Shall I tell you what the Arabs who you love so much did after the Prophet (AS)?
The only Arab dynasty was the Ummayad Dynasty. Do you know what their claim to fame is? Hunting down and killing the grandchildren of the Holy Prophet (AS). After them was the Fatimid Dynasty, a Shia Arab family that ruled from Egypt and tried to bring Islam down.
Wallahi, if it were not for the Turks who Allah (SWT), the Holy Prophet (AS) and his Sahabi and the Awliya love, we would not have Islam today.
It was the Turks who fought in the fields of Canakkale and were murdered to the last man for the love of the Prophet (AS).
Do you know who was opposing them you foolish ones? The Arabs. The Arabs were teaming with Lawrence to bring down the Ottoman Empire from inside.
The Arabs slaughtered the soldiers of the Khalifa, the Shadow of Allah on Earth, in the desert plains of Yemen.
The Arabs today are whining and complaining. Yes, they should complain. Because they have lost their honor, they have lost their dignity. And how did they lose it?
By betraying the Turks.
O you Arabs who make shirk by praising your own selves! The Holy Prophet (AS) commanded us to love you for you have taken all good qualities out of yourselves.
You are today the gypsies of the Earth, and worse than the Arabs of the First Jahiliyya.
Come back to Islam! Come back to Tarikat! Come back to the Sultan al-Awliya! Don’t be like Sheytan who could not submit to Adam (AS), saying I am greater than he is!
Submit to the Ottoman Turks! Otherwise your honor is gone forever.
Also know this: There is a difference between being an Arab and having the Holy Blood of the Prophet Muhammad (AS) and his Ahlul Bayt running in your veins.
Let it be known! The Turks have this Holy Blood coarsing through their body, the Blood that makes them the Divine Protectors of Islam.
Also, from my own personal belief: Because the Turks are so beloved to Allah (SWT), the Holy Prophet (AS), and the Holy Ones, I truly believe that Mahdi (AS) will be a Turk.
Hence, submit before Mahdi (AS), or this is the promise coming from Heavenly Stations; your head will not stay on your necks when he takes the Tekbir.
Salaamu Alaikum Wr Wb
BismillahHirRahmanNirRahim
Meded
Sorry to get involved again, would like to bring up this hadiths, not sure if you mentioned it though
Prophet, peace upon him, himself. He said, “Constantinople will be conquered—what an excellent army is that conquering army! And what an excellent commander is its commander!” This hadith is related by Imam Hakim in al-Mustadrak and is affirmed by Imam adh-Dhahabi, This hadith is understood by the scholars to be a reference to Muhammad al-Fatih, the great Turkish general.
Allah Hafiz
BiSMiLLAHiRRAHMANiRRAHiM.
BiZ OSMANLIYIZ PEK SANLIYIZ!!!
eyyyy dog of cingen of micgian!!!
listen to me now……
i just feed our dogs today.
i think no one giving you food, thats why you guys are hungry and barking.
i came to feed you guys.especialy shazad.
i love you so much because i like dogs like you barking.
i gonna throw your bones you will be quiet
why you are so jealous?
you guys are not doing anything.your seyh kabbani is not doing anything too.
all of you sitting and attacking people,
he is very old now,he jealous all the young people
shame on him.
because he doens’t like turks and Osmanli
he knows who they are, thats why hes scared and attacking,
Osmanli held the flag of Islam 700 years
Osmanli ruled the continents with Shariat
not Arabs, cingen arabs like kabbani haha hahah
we love real Ahlil Bayt, we die for real Ahlil Bayt
kabbani is not a seyyid he is not a sherif
he is the chief of dogs like you
in Turkish saying; “TENCERE YUVARLANDI KAPAGINI BULDU”
means;the big pot rolled and found his cover
you guys are the pot and your seyh is the cover of that pot
i am the best cook
i am gonna cook that pot
we gonna boil and burn that pot and finish it…
if your seyh was a real seyh he was going to have a good manner
and that manner would have passed to you guys.
and you not gonna write kafir and other things in your comments
we’re doing the job and WE ARE THE BEST ONES.
you guys are just sitting and getting jealous
keep it like that until Azrael comes
salaam alaykum
bismillahiramahnirahim
it s okay, brothers, just leave them to me, we the Chinese, the Yajuj Majuj kind knows how to deal with crazy dogs. Just let me and my people, we will take care of dogs in no time.
salaama alaykum
Assalamualaykum
Bismilahirahmaniraheem
I have attended many sohbets of Sheikh Hisham and feel that i have learnt a great deal from him, but when i saw the video that was made attacking Sheikh Abdul Kerim i felt uneasy and disturbed. Its obvious who is wrong and who is right, if we call ourselves Haqqani then we must start defending Truth even if it hurts our feelings. It is obvious that Sheikh Abdul kerim is a kalipha of Sultan ul Awliya and that he is carrying out his orders and it is obvious that Sheikh Hishams attack on him was cruel and unjust
Auzubillahi Minas-shaytanir Rajim
BismillahirRahmanirRahim
Medet
Yesterday Sheykh Abdul Kerim visited me at my apartment in Manhattan and I had the opportunity to speak to him about these issues. Although I felt very ashamed to ask him, I brought up the attacks that Sheykh Hisham had launched against his character. Sheykh Abdul Kerim very reluctantly addressed the issue.
He smiled and said that this was not the first time that he had been attacked in such a way. Sheykh Abdul Kerim said that he knows his work and he is going to continue working for Sheykh Mevlana. As for Sheykh Hisham, Sheykh Abdul Kerim said he did not know about his work. Sheykh Abdul Kerim said that he is not going to attack any Muslims no matter what they are saying. Sheykh Abdul Kerim said that all of the accusations being hurled against him are baseless. He said that if Sheykh Hisham can produce ANY EVIDENCE of a SINGLE CLAIM that he has made against Sheykh Abdul Kerim, Sheykh Abdul Kerim will shave his beard, take off his turban, and go to Sheykh Hisham clean-shaved and bald-headed to become his servant. This is what Sheykh Abdul Kerim said to me.
I want to make something clear on my own behalf, as a murid of Sheykh Abdul Kerim: Sheykh Abdul Kerim did not insult or malign Sheykh Hisham. I am witness to this upon my own honor. He was clearly saddened that such attacks should be hurled at him from a murid of the Sultan al-Awliya. But because I asked, he addressed this subject.
I also want to make something clear to everyone: Sheykh Abdul Kerim was Sheykh Mawlana’s first Khalifa and murid in America. He was sent to the United States by the order of Sultan al-Awliya in the 1970s. From the time that Sheykh Hisham set foot in the United States in the 1990s, Sheykh Abdul Kerim was his strongest supporter. He protected him under the order of Sheykh Mawlana where there was no other protection. He helped him enter places where Sheykh Hisham admitted he could not have entered himself. He was the pillar from which Sheykh Hisham derived his support.
Ya Rabbi! Show us the Truth as Truth and show us Falsehood as Falsehood.
Ya Rabbi! Make those ones who are attacking the honor of Sheykh Abdul Kerim, the Beloved Servant of the Sultan al-Awliya, come to beg forgiveness from Sheykh Abdul Kerim.
Ya Rabbi! Let us to keep the manners that fit to Nakshibendis and Ottomans, not the manners of gypsy street dogs.
For the sake of the Most Honored One in Creation, Sayyiduna Muhammad (AS).
For the sake of the Sultan of the Awliya, Sheykh Mawlana Nazim Adil al-Haqqani (KS)
Bismillahi Rahmani Rahim
Amin, Amin, Amin Mesut. We won’t stop defending our shaykh. He is praying for all the poeple attacking him. We know for sure that if he wanted, he could have shut down the mouth of the attackers but he is being very patient. And we are praying for him, but in fact we are the ones who are in need of his prayers.
You received the blessing of his visit, alhamdulillah.
May Allah give a long life to Shaykh Mawlana, our only Mawlana, and may Allah a long life to Shaykh Abdul Kerim Effendi and may those years be filled with more osmanli nakshibendi work.
Bismillahi Rahmani Rahim
hisham your actions are of a pig , your action are of a sheytan, your actions are of a dog.. you spread lies,and make fitna , you are only finishing yourself … you say that sheik abdul kerim is taking drugs…LIAR….. something you could never prove , and you dare still to speak, you finished yourself.. we know about you…. scared like a little girl in new york city…. i give you no selam . go to hell…. you earned it…… you and your porn star murids. i think its chico time in michigan… long life to shiek mevlana, long life to sheik abdul kerim, , may ALLAH close all the ways of the sheytans in michigan.
BismillahirRahmanirRahim
well hisham…..if everything in creation was to come together to try to hurt some one…..they can not do as much damage to that person as he can do to himself. you are a great disgrace to the Naksibendi order…… you just know how to sit on your thousand dollar couches behind cameras and slander and talk shit just like the snake you are. Sheykh Effendi Abdul Kerim is living in the mountains with his murids…worshiping day and night. you can not be half the man he is……you just know how to auction off jubahs and hijabs, then eat drink and shit the money. Masallah sheytan must be very happy with you.
BismillahiRahmaniRahim
selamun aleykum our brothers.
masallah everyting good.we are finishing theme ha haha……
Ya Eyyuhel Dogs of Michigan and CiNGEN-i KABBAN-i SEYTAN-i
by the way this is your new name YAWRUM
get ready because we gonna make new song for you guys.
we gonna play and you guys are gonna dance.
everybody look at one point now:
our big SULTAN SEYH MEVLANA wear NAL-i SERiF on his turban and elhamdulillah our SEYH ABDULKERIM EL KIBRISi wears too.MASALLAH.
if you guys dont khow i ll tell you and you know.
only OSMANLI SULTANS can wear it.
THEY ARE OUR SULTAN.
WE ARE READY TO DIE FOR OUR SULTAN AND WE ARE READY TO DESTROY FiTNE MAKERS.
ALLAHU EKBER.
today in his sohbet i see that he dosent have nal-i serif masallah.because he is not coming from royal family.
his family only khows how to sale ANTIQUES
YOW CiNGEN-i KABBAN-i SEYTAN-i what you did ?
you make big shit and you sit on it, who is gonna clean it now?
grow up little bit grow up.
WAR IS STARTED.
JUDGEMENT DAY WE ARE NOT GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE
YOU GUYS ARE BIG LOOSER LOOOOOOOOOOSERRRRRR…………
Let me remind you again everbody:
if you looking for seytan on tihs earth.look at micgihan-i seytan-i kabban-i.
if you didn’t go to HAC yet it is ok!DONT WORRY
when you reach the HAC time, make intention for stone to cingen-ikabbani seytan-i.
THIS IS JUST A BEGINNING YAWRUMMMMMMSSS…
Bismillahi Rahmani Rahim
this is a message from hajji bilal. to all michigan fitna makers.
you claim to be representing hakk but your over their hugging the biggest tyrant, george w. bush..
you and your people have no proper manner slandering, and making lies about sheik abdul kerim effendi. learn manners!!!
My name is Amir Amza Aslamkhan, Im not using any alias, no fake name, nothing to hide myself, because I WANT all of you people defending Sheikh Hisham, to know who I am, know what I look like, and know I have nothing to hide, and to be able to contact me with what ever they like..I am Sheikh Abdul Kerim’s murid, and have been for 12 years now., You people might not know who I am, but Sheikh HIsham does, show him my picture, and ask, he knows., last time he saw me, I was a little kid running around,being a kid, but things have changed. I just have to say, that I honestly laugh when I see all of these comments of you people beating around the bush, using all these high tech words, and being oh so philosophical when your trying to say a simple thing., that you don’t like Sheikh Effendi right?, OK, BUT, be sure that you keep all of your talking over in Michigan, because if you people ever come to New York, and talk like that, I PROMISE all of you, that I will be there to handle it! You people better stay over in Michigan, because you guys aren’t ready for how we New Yorker’s and Jersey boys settle things!!! Lets it be known! Sheikh Effendi is holding my leash, think about the day I’m released…..
BismillahirRahmanirRahim,
Ameen, to the du’as of Mesut and Nureddin!
Thank you Mesut, for this powerful reminder, may it profit us all.
Bismillahi Rahmani Rahim
As salam alaikum Abdullah
We love Shaykh Effendi and we will stand to defend his honour. By Allah, the slanderous statements against him and his wife are crimes in Islam. But I have seen Shaykh Effendi sometimes when we were getting passionate in our language about some muslims that were attacking him to correct our language so that at the end, while we remain against falsehood, we hope with a prayer that the wrongdoer repents from his action.
Once he told me, about a certain muslim leader that I met before coming to this tarika: it is easy to go around sending people to hell in our language, but the nakshibendi way is different. And he mentioned me the famous dua of Sayyidina Abu Bakr as Siddiq (ra) asking Allah that only he may be in Hell, with such a big body that no one else may go inside but him.
We totally reject the statements made against our Shaykh, but we cannot use a low and derogatory language as reaction. That is not his sunnat.
Salams
Nureddin
Bismillahi Rahmani Raheem
I am absolutely shocked to see how you all sit here and talk about the conflict between Shaykh Hisham and Shaykh Abdul Kerim because it was the Sultan himself, our master Sayyidi Shaykh Nazim Adil Al Haqqani (qs) who said “when two lions of Islam are fighting, the dog should keep quiet”
we are worse than dogs, you should not even be speaking on the matter nor is it for us to speculate on the matter.
and I have seen here Mawlana Shaykh Hisham dubbed ‘shaytan’? Astaghfirullah – are u really saying that the son in law of the Sultan, the Sultan who gave his daughter’s hand in marriage, gave her hand to a ‘shaytan’? Astaghfirullah, again we are worse than dogs we shouldnt even be speaking on the matter
Allah raise the rank of our master Sayyidi Shaykh Nazim (qs) and give him long long long life
and raise the ranks of his Khalifas
Salaamu Alaikum Wr Wb
BismillahHirRahmanNirRahim
Meded
ya Slave of Love, if another shaikh dubbs another Shaikh the likeness the character the personality of Abu Lahab and many other slanders, do you not think thats a injustice.
Yes your right we are worse than dogs, though do not obscure the picture yet again this has come up and been answered look at answers already been posted to such a comment like yours.
Brother and Sisters are speaking out of love and care and shere frustation of the on going dilema with such accusations and slanders thrown at the one whom they love, and also of whom Sultan loves, yes Sultan loves both (all his Khalifas) we all do, hence the frustation in this, don’t you think Sultan also already knows this ? this name calling ? of course he does, we as dogs (myself being the worse dog) are expressing it here and our concerns, better here rather than outside i believe, as long as its kept to adab, i haven’t met Shaikh Abdul Kerim at all though have seen many video’s and have friends whom known Shaikh Abdul Kerim for many years and always talk highly of him, with Shaikh Hisham ive met him and sat with him in sohbets in the past during the 1990′s and 2000′s though his recent sohbets aren’t sohbets as i said they are public slander aganist another Khalifa which I find and many more here find it very wrong, this isn’t the example of the Prophet(saw) neither of our Sultan Effendinminz.
Again i end it with May Allah end this fitna and close the door of it and throw away the key.
Allah Hafiz
Bismillahir Rahmaanir Rahiim
Asalaamu alaikum.
Slave of Love – If you really believed that this shouldn’t be discussed at all, then you would not comment yourself, much less commenting in a way that openly support Sh Kabbani (who is NOT Mawlana, subhanAllah) and not in any way supporting Sh Abdul Kerim or saying that there is anything amiss in the lies and slander coming from Michigan. Again, you showed support for the side that created the fitnah, so you must be of the fitnah makers. Do not be a hypocrite and tell others not to get involved then.
Brother Nureddin – May Allah reward you for reminding us of the proper way to address this situation with the adab of the Naksibendi. Some, in their love and zeal for defending our shaykh, have erred over into an overly emotional speech that shows their own shaytan is enjoying this fitnah too much. We should speak in an honorable way that presents the truth, but not in a way that curses, using lowly language, and dishonors the adab of the Prophet salalahi alahi wa salaam. May Allah forgive those of us that have allowed our mouths to go too far, and bless those who of us that have remained an example befitting Seyh Effendi Abdul Kerim & Maulana Nazim’s teachings, ameen. May we continue to learn from their sunnat and improve upon our own manners in times of such distress, ameen.
BismillahirRahmanirRahim
the most sinister thing about hisham and his peoples words is that in reality they apply to themselves, in every way
every fitna and slander that hisham is making and saying is really about himself and the seytanic actions and intentions that he has done and continues to do
…so let him sink into his fitna and burn in his words
those who know, know
those who dont know, or understand otherwise, should carefully re-examine their position
the evidence is clear
when the dust settles we will see what is riding ahead, a donkey or a horse, or some maggot-filled hell-fire burnt hishami corpse rotting in the dustbin
May those who are looking for the Truth find it
and those who find it accept it
and those who accept it, live and die following it
and may they be risen with the True ones in the hereafter
Astagfirullah
I never expected a reply for I am not going to be involved in this, like I said its not for us to speculate, we are dogs, both Shaykhs sat together in the time of Grandshaykh Abdullah Al Faiz Daghestani (qs) and both have their blessing form Sultan ul Auliya – why are you speaking of something you have no knowledge to comment on?
I am simply saying not to slander Shaykh Hisham ie not calling him mawlana, he has done tremendous work in the name of Sultan Ul Auliya – Sufi Muslim Council here in the UK is just one of those things, Sunni Conferences in Manchester are another with big Auliya such as Syed Irfan Shah Mashadi attending
I havent said one bad word about Shaykh Abdul Kerim – why? because I am in no position to, I am a dog, but you seem to think its Ok slandering Shaykh Hisham who is also one of the Sultan’s Khlaifa’s – if you deny this perhaps some video evidence is in order
All Im saying is dont slander, in what position are you to even speak about these two wonderful Shuyukh? we are unworthy to speak of them
Again I leave you with this question – did the Sultan give Hajah’s hand in marriage to just anyone?
dont speak if you are in no position to – this is all im saying – I AM NOT TAKING ANYONES SIDE
Allah Eternally bless Sultan Ul Auliya and his Khalifa’s
BismillahirRahmanirRahim
Mawlana is only one in this tarikat, no Khalifa can be ‘Master’.
What a backwards person you are if you think anyone is slandering S hisham. He is openly calling someone kaafir, Abu Lahab, and he is saying a khalifa is fake, and is doing drugs, and then he is putting it on the internet and you are telling people not to respond? Then he is saying the wife is Umm Lahab and crazy and worse than him?
What if someone called your father Abu Lahab and a drug user? What if someone said this about your mother? You would think highly of the Shaykh that said this? You would stay quiet and watch your lineage insulted?
What can I say except repeat, what backwards people you are. What kind of defense can you give for the Holy Prophet (AS) if you cannot defend his representatives from slander?
Salaamu Alaikum Wr Wb
BismillahHirRahmanNirRahim
Meded
Slave of Love, yes Alhamduliah both shaikhs and others sat in the company of GrandShaikh, whats your point here please brother/sister, and when replying please do say to whom your replying to, to lessen the confusion of the post you have done
In my eyes and in many old murid eyes there is only ONE Mawlana only one master, that is Sultan, without Sultan not one of these shaikhs spoken here can or will had ever achieved anything. Yes we need to control adab and not to lower ourselves of name calling, very true, as we are accountable on the day of judgement so to is everyone even murids, shaikhs, Khalifas ALL are accountable, and this ways a heavy burden upon Sultan as he is carrying it.
And yes Shaikh Hisham married into the family, so to did Shaikh Adnan Effendiminz
no one is denying this so again why bring it up 
the MAIN topic here is the slander accusation onto Shaikh Abdul Kerim that is all, and everyone is upset and talking with shere frustation and disgust of the past events. Some may keep to adab some aren’t I just hope that this ends, we should all pray for this fitna to end and to be resolved, over 128 comments I think its enough.
May Allah PLEASE end this fitna and bring it into light and for it to be sealed and closed.
May Allah forever increase the maqam and health and blessings upon our Sultan, being Sultan Awulia Mawlana Shaikh Muhammad Nazim Effendiminz.
WaAllahu Halim
Bismillah
Asalaamu alaikum.
Slave of Allah – There is no where that i said that Sh Kabbani is not a khalifa of Maulana Nazim. In fact, several commentors have specifically said that the issue in question is NOT whether or not he is khalifa. The ONLY person questionning if someone is khalifa is Sh Kabbani smearing and claiming that Sh Abdul Kerim is not khalifa. If you cannot read then you should not presume to speak. But, you are also wrong – Sh Kabbani is NOT Maulana. There can be only one Maulana and that is Maulana Nazim. By calling Sh Kabbani Maulana, you are taking his side, elevating him. By not saying point blank that his slander and lies against Sh Abdul Kerim are odious, you are taking his side. Also, several commentors have already answered to the matter of the marriage – we respect Maulana Nazim’s choice. That does not mean that Sh Kabbani is infallible and could not have fallen from the station he was previously at.
Either way, you are wrong because if you are truly “not taking anyone’s side” then there is no point in you speaking at all. Also, you clearly don’t know anything at all about the situation, so it is you who is speaking without knowledge. In the end, you either support lies and fitnah being strewn around, or you support sharing the truth and answering to false allegations. There is no middle ground other than to keep silence all together and obviously that is not what you have done.
BismillahirRahmanirRahim
Spin the black circle, eh, Michigan? Spin, spin, spin…
The black circle keeps spinning, and they are so busy chasing their own tail that they have no idea which end is up. You called my Sheykh a drug user? A medicated Zombie? A fake? Not even a murid? Abu Lahab? Good. Have you even seen or met Sheykh Abdul-Kerim Effendi? Have you ever listened to his sohbet? S Hisham, you have but you only see your own reflection. Isn’t that what Holy Prophet (ASWS) said? A believer is a mirror to his brother? You others, supporting S Hisham – Obviously have not seen my Sheykh. I have. He is never busy with that which doesn’t concern him. Only Allah and His Holy Prophet and His Sheykh. He reminds us of the beloved ones of Allah. He “HIDES” the faults of others. You know. Like what Prophet (ASWS) did. Like Sheykh Mevlana does. Thousands have come to Islam, and are his murids because of his living example. Yes, the Sunnat of Sultan ul Awliyah is alive in him. In my short time as his murid, I have personally seen people off the street take shahadat by his hand. In the dergah? Countless take bayat and begin to embody the sunnat of Rasul’Allah (ASWS). Those who make mistakes from his mureeds, he corrects. Those that attack him, he prays for. Guess whose sunnat that is. That is Abu Lahab? Congratulations to you Michigan and Michigan supporters – all of you wolves and vultures masquerading with names like “slave of love” and “peace”. Your disguise is thin and you fool few of us. You are the representatives of the 2nd Jahilliat if you call a man like that Abu Lahab. If you are sincere, you will ask yourself, who is representing what. Wake up! Every word you speak you will be accountable for. Those are Holy Prophet (ASWS)’s words, not mine. Sheykh Abdul-Kerim Effendi Hz, speaks this same hadith, reminding us EVERY single night of Zikr. For Years! We are accountable. The son-in-law of Sheykh Mevlana, if he is a creature of Allah, he is accountable. One of you said that because he is the Mutaserrif, and he doesn’t sin. He has convinced people that he doesn’t sin, and is never at fault? Subhan’Allah! Even Sheykh Mevlana is not saying that. I’m SURE Holy Prophet(ASWS) didn’t even say that. By the way, only one Mawlana. Even if you are a son, or a son-in-law. Surely, if we are basing anything on relation, Sheykh Mevlana’s sons have a better right to that title. More right to being a Khalifa, no? But we all know, (Sunnis, not Shias), that is not the sunnat of Holy Prophet (ASWS) or of Tariqat. Will you still deny reason? “Of course, it’s all so hazy, boundaries are mixing, we cannot comment, etc…” – Pah! Maybe to those who are blind. Our vision, Alhamdulillah is still intact.
This is Tariqat ul Aaliyah. If you don’t understand what is slander and what is truth, better give up on life, forget about the highest Tariqat in the way of the sunnat. You people coming in here, trying to convince us of something other than the truth, convince yourselves. Stay home, because you don’t stand a chance. In order to function in even a secular society, you need to know the difference between good and bad. Law and crime. If you support S Hisham, and defend him, you are with him. Good. You belong with him. If I didn’t know Sheykh Abdul Kerim Effendi Hz, and saw S Hisham’s videos, I would have a very low opinion of Sheykh Mevlana. Alhamdulillah, that I have Sheykh Abdul Kerim Effendi to show me otherwise. You people have no protocol. Sheykh Abdul-Kerim taught us about protocol. He told us explicitly, that whatever we think about other deputies of Sheykh Mevlana, not to interfere. But S Hisham is not following those rules, is he? That protocol doesn’t exist in his dojo. Yes, of course we will defend our Sheykh. With our lives. You people entered into Tariqat, and don’t understand that? Why are you here? Go back to your playground. We are not fooled. Go play your games. Continue to try and fool people, photo-shopping pictures to distort the face of the Awliya. It only reflects your own crookedness. Yes, we know.
But for those who are serious, and want to grow up? I hear there’s an Osmanli Dergah opening in Cyprus. I hear people will be trained in Tariqat, in Sunnat, in Discipline, and in Protocol, and the living example of Sultan ul Awliya, once again. With our Sheykh Mevlana’s approval, We in New York, have had that for years, under our blessed Sheykh, Sheykh Abdul-Kerim Effendi Hz.
Wake up, people. Mahdi (AS)’s sword is coming. And it cuts from both sides.
Bismillahi Rahmani Rahim
hisham you have lost your mind , jealousy is eating you person inside out at least try to hide it a little bit. if hes not reading out of that book hes speaking out of his ass.
claiming that the son in law loves more ,,, obviously… that is a great example of a desperate
person talking out of his ass,, no…. i love how many times you bring up that sheik Abdul Kerim effendi is Calipha… what an obvious threat you see this as… another sign of a deperate weak man…and on the video about democracy you did take a side for it, dont say your not saying this way or that ….YOU LIAR….. i throw you in a dust bin… let alone your pointless lectures, lies and false accusations…
Murids of Hisham Kabbani,
Understand that your Sheykh is not working on your hearts to clean you. Try to understand the way of Sheykh Mevlana Nazim (qs) and then use your judgment to see which deputy is teaching that way. Then follow.
The purpose of following a Tariqat is to know why you are in this world and what you have to do here. Sheykh Abdul Kerim Efendi is always telling us to ask ourselves what is the reason of our creation. Look at the teachings of your Grandsheykh and understand. He is constantly saying in every sohbet that we are here to make your egos servants to Allah subhana wa ta’ala in order to gain Allah’s eternal pleasure in Akhirat.
This is what Sheykh Abdul Kerim Efendi is teaching us. How to make our Nafs from Ammara to Mutmainah. That is the general aim of our Grandsheykh for all his Murids.
Oh Kabbani Murids, your Shaykh Hisham is not doing this. The first step of fighting your ego is to try to make it the self-blaming ego, Nafs al-Lawwama. To achieve this, a Sheykh has to constantly blame his Murid until the ego of the Murid understands that it’s only blameworthy and doesn’t deserve to be praised. Then the ego starts blaming itself and learns to praise Allah subhana wa ta’ala who alone deserves to be praised.
Beware! Hisham Kabbani is praising you all the time. I am speaking from experience. I have been with you in Michigan. I have seen Hisham Kabbani closely. I have the right to speak. Most of you have not even seen Sheykh Abdul Kerim Efendi. Therefore, you have no right to speak about him until you come to our Dergah and meet our Sheykh.
Beware of the Hadith of the Holy Prophet (sws): ’Those who praises you, throw sand in their faces.’ I am reminding you of the way of the Sahaba-e Ikram. When a man came and started praising Hazrat Umar (ra) during his Khilafat for his expansive empire and fame, he said: ’My brother, you would have done less damage to me if you had cut off my head instead of praising me.’
Hisham Kabbani is teaching you to constantly praise each other as well. He teaches you to call each other ’Shaykhs’. This is completely against the practice of Sheykh Mevlana Nazim (qs) and the Holy Prophet (sws). Imagine what would happen if the Sahaba-e Ikram were all calling each other ’Prophets’.
A true Shaykh must make his murids understand their selves and their true value before Allah subhana wa ta’ala by showing them their reality. In the words of the Holy Prophet (sws), ’Those who know themselves know their Lord’. Remember the declaration of Allahu ta’ala over and over in the Holy Quran, ’I have created you from nothing’, ’I have created you from a Nutfa (a dirty drop of siemen).’ This is what our Grandsheykh is constantly telling us to realize in every single Sohbet. Know and understand that you are nothing before your Lord.
Hisham Kabbani is teaching you the opposite. He is constantly feeding your ego with pride, jealousy, anger, hatred, arrogance and stubbornness. These are all sicknesses of your Shaykh’s ego that never got cleaned and he is passing them on to you. These are the characteristics of the people of Hell and even the Holy Prophet (sws) is condemning these characters without any hope of intercession. Remember his Hadith, ’Whoever dies with anger will go to hell.’ ’Whoever has a drop of Pride in his heart will not enter Paradise.’ ’Be not jealous of each other.’
Hisham Kabbani is leading you on the way to hell and Sheykh Abdul Kerim Efendi and his murids are trying to save you from it. So listen to them.
Understand the hypocrisy of Hisham Kabbani. He goes and hugs the Kafir and Zalim George Bush and his officials and the British parliament members who have been the # 1 enemies of Islam for centuries, and he curses and slanders Sheykh Abdul Kerim Efendi, a true believer who’s working for Islam all his life and a follower of Sheykh Mevlana Nazim (qs) for over 40 years.
O misguided murids of a misguided Shaykh, think for yourselves and look at your situation through the teachings of your Prophet (sws) and your Grandsheykh. Don’t believe anyone who tells you not to think and not to understand for yourselves but wants you to be like robots or zombies. They are exploiting you through your ignorance. ’Tafakkur’ – to reflect is a much repeated holy order of your Creator, your Prophet (sws) and your Grandsheykh. Read the Sohbet of Sheykh Mevlana Nazim (qs) titled, ’Tafakkur is like a Saruh (rocket) that takes you up’.
Hisham Kabbani is trying to make you into an army of brainless creatures who will have no understanding of right and wrong and will believe whatever is told to them and follow whatever order is given to them. That’s how American soldiers are trained and that’s how Yazid’s soldiers were trained in Karbala. That is not the way of Islam.
Come to our Dergah and learn your religion from your brothers who want the best for you. Leave following crooks and deceivers and look with the eyes of your hearts. It is the Hadith of the Holy Prophet (sws), ‘Beware of the vision of the Believer. He looks with the Nur of Allah.’ So, if you are still getting fooled, you don’t have true faith yet. Sheykh Abdul Kerim Efendi is offering it. Come and take it.
BismillahriRahmanirRahim
Salamu’alaykum,
Two years ago, Seyh Effendi answered these attacks:
Shaykh Abdul Kerim – Sohbet 6/6/08 from Yursil on Vimeo.
BismillahiRahmaniRahim,
May Allah (SWT) raise Seyh MEvlana Hz. and Seyh Efendi Hz. higher and higher.
At the veterinarian’s office where I work, I get to see dogs all day. Honestly when I first opened the videos of s.h. hisham i thought that there was a woman speaking there instead of a man. Then I realized it was the bearded lady from the circus up to his/her same antics.
So I see these dogs all day and the ones that make the most noise are the smallest ones – chihuahuas, poodles, miniature pinschers, pomeranians – they make the most noise to compensate for their small size. Most of them are also “fixed”- neutered- and if that’s the case they’re barking more than the other ones.
hisham is just like that. He sees our Seyh Efendi in Cyprus and New York and he sees the obvious love Seyh Mevlana has for our Seyh and he is barking because that is all he can do. He has no manhood, and all he can do is bark with his little bark.
He is saying that the pictures our people are putting up, which in reality are clear proofs of Seyh Efendi’s being on Hak, are nonsense and he and his people should throw them in the dustbin.
Go ahead and throw them in the dustbin because when Seyh Mevlana and Mehdi AS throw you in that same dustbin, I want you to look at those pictures and cry a lot. CRY A LOT. Youve made jahannam to yourself in this world, wait to see whats coming. CRY NOW. Then look at those pictures later and I have no doubt we will see you begging at the feet of Seyh Abdul Kerim Hz.
Our Seyh Efendi has the highest manners, it is up to Him what he will do with you.
In the second part of a hadis-i-serif, the Prophet Aleyhi Selam said, “…a slave (of Allah) may utter a word carelessly which displeases Allah without thinking of its gravity and because of that he will be thrown into the Hell-Fire.”
Do you think Allah (SWT) will wait till judgement day to punish one sheytan who utters words against Seyh Efendi, who is beloved to Allah?
OSMANLITURK said we’re going to make songs for you and you’re going to dance. we have one already for you – EYVAH. You are finding now the results of what you did, WAIT WAIT til see what comes. Ah Ah hisham you sank in your own mess.
Go bark more if you like. Youre only preparing more hells to yourself. But hishamis should be careful. Time is up. Wait, wait til see whats coming your way.
May Allah (SWT) raise Seyh MEvlana and Seyh Abdul KErim Hz. higher and higher. Those ones like hisham who are sending evil words to Seyh MEvlana and Seyh Efendi, let those same words be thrown back in the throats they came from. Choke on those evil words. Those ones like hisham who are sending evil eyes to Seyh Mevlana Hz. and Seyh Abdul KErim Hz., let those same evil eyes blind the eyes they came from, dunya and ahiret.
BismillahirRahmanirRahim
Murids of Hisham Kabbani,
Don’t let your ‘shaykh’ fool you so easily. Understand your religion and follow the Haqq way. Hisham Kabbani is concealing knowledge from you so that you may never wake up to the truth. That is a hallmark characteristic of the Jews. Many Arab speaking people’s lineage is reaching to the Jews of Madina. Especially suspicious is the fact that Hisham Kabbani goes around the world making interfaith dialogue with his Kafir Yahudi and Christian brothers, yet he cannot even address Sheykh Abdul Kerim Efendi and Hajje Meryem Anne, his Muslim brother and sister in religion and Tariqat, in a civil manner.
Allah subhana wa ta’ala is giving warning in the Holy Quran: ‘Only Allah, His Prophet (sws) and the believers are your friends.’ In another place, ‘Don’t take the unbelievers as your friends over believers.’ In yet another place, ‘Don’t take the Jews and the Christians as your friends. They are friends of each other. If you take them as friends, you will be counted as one of them.’
Murids of Hisham Kabbalah, I leave it up to you to figure out whether your ‘Shaykh’ is even within the folds of Islam. Assuming that he is, pay attention to the following about this whole ’Son-in-law’ business.
First, take a look at what your Grandsheykh is saying: ‘History, Ilm-ul Tarih, is important, because it contains teaching and lessons for mankind.’ This is from the Sohbet ’You have to fulfill everyone’s right (5/12/2001).’
In the same way, Sheykh Abdul Kerim Efendi also constantly encourages us to learn Islamic history and understand the significance of events that have taken place and then live according to their lessons. Our only light is the Sunnat of the Holy Prophet (sws), his Sahaba and those who follow them. If Hisham Kabbani is not following their examples, then who is he following? Definitely Shaytan.
Hisham Kabbani has always tried to gain influence among various groups of Sheykh Mevlana Nazim’s murids worldwide by claiming that he is the son-in-law of Sheykh Mevlana Nazim (qs), implying that it makes him somebody special. The following examples are for Hisham Kabbani and those who think that being the son-in-law of the Grandsheykh counts for something when it comes to the religion of Allah subhana wa ta’ala and His Prophet (sws):
Hazrat Abu Bakr Siddiq (ra), the highest Sahabi and the original Grandmaster of the Naksibendi Tariqat, was the father of Holy Prophet’s (sws) most beloved wife Hazrat Aisha (ra), which makes him the father-in-law to the Prophet (sws). Never in his life did he pull that title to say everyone must obey him because he is the father of Holy Prophet’s (sws) wife. Instead, he said, ’As long as I am in the way of Allah and His Prophet (sws), you must obey me. If you see me doing anything other than that, it is your duty to warn me, or you will be held responsible on the Judgment Day.’
Hazrat Umar (ra) was the father of Hazrat Hafsa (ra) who was a wife of the Holy Prophet (sws), making Hazrat Umar (ra) the Prophet’s father-in-law. Never has it been heard in the history of Islam that Hazrat Umar (ra) tried to gain influence among the Muslims by saying that he is the father of Holy Prophet’s (sws) wife. On the contrary, he was one of the very first Sahaba who gave Bayat to Hazrat Abu Bakr (ra) without hesitation.
Hazrat Usman (ra) was Zun-Nurain, possessor of the two lights, whom Holy Prophet (sws) gave two of his beloved daughters in marriage. He was the son-in-law of the Holy Prophet (sws) through two daughters consecutively. Yet, never was it heard that Hazrat Usman (ra) tried to claim the Khilafat or gain obedience of the Muslims by saying that he is the son-in-law of the Holy Prophet (sws) through two of his daughters. Read his Khutbas.
Even when the Kharijis were accusing him of so many false things claiming that he is an unrighteous and misguided Khalifah, Hazrat Usman (ra) patiently kept refuting all their claims by making reference to the Book of Allah and the Sunnat of Rasulullah (sws) without ever mentioning, even once, that he is the son-in-law of the Holy Prophet (sws), therefore, he must be trusted and obeyed by all without questioning. Finally, when the Kharijis came to his home to martyr him, he still didn’t say that he is the son-in-law of the Holy Prophet (sws), how can they raise their hands against him. He kept reading the Holy Quran and left this world in that state.
Hazrat Ali (ra) was the son-in-law and the cousin of the Holy Prophet (sws). Never in his life was he heard to claim that he is the son-in-law of the Prophet (sws), therefore, he must be the Khalifah or the ruler of the Muslims. On the contrary, what did he do? When Hazrat Usman (ra) became martyred, Hazrat Ali (ra), knowing that people would come to him for Bayat, locked himself in his house for two days and two nights. Then on the third day he reluctantly came out of his house, only because of the Hadith of Rasulullah (sws) which says, ‘If there is not Khalifah for three days, there is no Islam.’
Even through the battles of Jamal and Siffin with Hazrat Aisha (ra) and Hazrat Muawiya (ra), never did Hazrat Ali (ra) pulled his ‘son-in-law’ title to say that Khilafat is rightfully his because he is the Holy Prophet‘s (sws) son-in-law.
These are the Khulafa-e Rashideen, Caliphs that the Holy Prophet (sws) declared to be rightly guided. Who is Hisham Kabbani, Mr. son-in-law of Grandsheykh? Is he following the Sunnat of the Sahaba?
O Michigan Murids of my Grandsheykh, understand the Adab of the Sahaba-e Ikram, which are totally absent in Hisham Kabbani. Many a times during the troubled years of Hazrat Ali’s Khilafat, in order to confirm the true succession of the Caliphate, people would ask him, ‘Ya Amir-ul Mu’mineen, who were the closest companions of the Holy Prophet (sws)?’ He would answer, ’Abu Bakr, and then Umar, and then Usman.’ People would say, ’And then you?’ He would say, ’I am just an ordinary person.’
Day and night you people and your fake Shaykh are making the ‘Son-in-law’ Zikr. You are claiming that he is a great-grandson of Hazrat Ali (ra), a Syyid. Then where are the manners of Hazrat Ali (ra) in him? But I do know that it is the custom of the gypsies to constantly try to gain recognition among people by claiming a strong lineage.
O Michigan Murids, let me end with another word from your Grandsheykh. ’Only things of no value require advertisement.’
So wake up O Michigan Murids! Don’t get cheated about your Akhirat by a Master of Deception. Sheykh Abdul Kerim Efendi’s heart and door is still open for you, if you are sincere. But that door may close one day and then it will be too late.
As-salamu Aleikum,
I’m glad that I ventilated my doubts. As a mureed of Mawlana Shaykh Nazim I was shocked to see names as Abu Lahab en Umm Lahab labeled to a representative.So I wanted to know what’s happening. It’s just out of love and for the unity of the naqshbandi mureeds. But masha Allah I didn’t know about Shaykh Abdul Kerim much, but following the discussion and hearing some lectures, I have to say that he seems to be righteous.
May Allah help us and guide us, Ameen.
Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim,
As Salaam Aleykum
I’ve been a mureed of our Sahib-us-Saif Sheikh Abdul Kerim( Hz ) for less than 2 years. One of the first things that I learned Edeb- Yahu, meaning to have good manners. Our Sheikh Abdul Kerim reminds us to have good manners and the first one to loose his manners was sheytan. He became arrogant and jealous and he was looking for a certain station, and the war began against mankind. It is easy to tell who has lost his manners, and is following which way. Haqq is Haqq and the truth we must stand for.
I pray that we may never loose our Manners ya Rabbi.
Our Sheikh always says Islam is Rising, Haqq is Rising, Alhamdulilah our Sheikh is Rising.
Shukr Ya Rabbi
May we be with our Sheikh Abdul Kerim, and our Grand Sheikh MAULANA Sheikh Nazim al Hakkani here and hereafter.
Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim,
Destur Ya Saydi,
Medet,
Salaam Aleykum.
May Allah give our Shaykh Abdul Kerim (Hz.) support from his endless mercy oceans for keeping the way of the Beloved One (pbuh). May Allah(swt) Show Michigan how to follow the first step of this Tariqat, Edeb Ya Hu!.
We take refuge in Allah, from Shaithan and his friends.
I think that some Bathil Insaan-Not Insaan al-Kaamil but(Falsehood Figures) friends of Satan has entered around our way to make disunity between Mureeds of Mawlana.
But this Tarikat and True Mureeds are Proptected by Ruhul Qudus (Holy spirit), please ask those munafiqs to make Taubha for what there have been doing since……
Ya Qawiyyu Ya Matheen Iqfi Shar’ra Zalimeen……..Hasbuna Allahu wa Ni’mal Wakeel, Ni’mal Mawla wa Ni’ma Naseer wa la Hawla wa la Quwwata illa Billahil Aliyyil Azeem
Bismillahirahmahnirahim
Destur Medet Ya Shaykh Medet
Ya Hisham, you can talk big and throw all that mud at our shaykh and our grandsh at the comfort and the security of your lovely place, you can kiss up to the president of United States to one of the biggest oppressor, since you are not exposed to danger, so mashAllah, my shaykh is not a valid door to grandsh huh? then as the WAKIL OF CHINA, i challenge you to put your feet inside the land of China, the land of Communist and try to talk big like you do now, and try to spread the tarikat and spread the teaching of grandsh here, and do what you did to President Bush to Chinese Communist Leader and try to kiss up to them and see what happens.
but know this, we don’t really have 5 star hotel for sufi shaykh, and we are not paying for sufi shaykhs to come to china for luxury, and they will deport you once they find out you are a shaykh trying to spread tarikat here, and we ll see what happens and we ll see what kind of shaykh you are that time.
Shaykh efendi has come to China and he has given alot to the chinese people, he punctured a big hole in china, and he left a path of mercy for the chinese people, for them to be able to find shelter with grandsh, he s not taking a DIME from the people of china, inshAllah, as long i m capable of serving him in anyway, may Allah protect me from taking a DIME from him or from anyone here in China or elsewhere for the sake of Allah and His Prophet SWS, and for the sake of my shaykh.
he came to china and see the country for himself, and he is helping us to getting ready for the coming of Mahdi AS secretly and as well as the events that are suppose to occur before the HIS appearance. Ya you claimed to be the only door to grandsh, mawlana sh, what have you done for my people? when have come to visit the poor who is living under tyranny? and tried to saved them like my shaykh is doing?
if you are claiming my shaykh is not a door to grandsh, then collect yourself and come to china, to spread the tarikat here, don’t just sit in your luxury and secure home like housewife, oh my bad, but you know what kind of man stay inside the house, and doesn’t dare to come out called? they are the palace male servant that can no longer do what a man can do to his wife. If you are who you claimed to be, then be a man and come out to china and face the danger.
劍之主弟子 看門人 簽
salaam alaykum
Ya Hishamis,
you know what Japanese can do to you and the likes of you?
they can make sashimis and eat you up,
so remember, we got chinese yajuj majuj to take care of dogs and braying donkey, and Japanese for sashimi shrimpies, we are coming to michigan, ya ak, get ready…
we are going to have a sashimi and dog and donkey feast.
wait wait, see what s gonna happen
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BismillahirRahmanirRahim
Hisham Kabbani’s Murids,
You are puzzled by Sheykh Abdul Kerim Efendi’s establishing a Dergah in Lefke, Cyprus, under the guidance and blessings of Sheykh Mevlana Nazim (qs). Instead of disbelieving and disrespecting the authority of your Grandsheykh by making Fitna, try to understand his work. Use the brains that Allah subhana wa ta’ala granted to you. Here’s the opening paragraph from Grandsheykh’s Sohbet titled ‘Knowledge of Allah’s Greatness’ given on the 25th of June, 2009.
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Shaykh Hisham: (reading from chat) Sometimes they miss the Awrad because too much dunya, what they have to do?
Sheykh Mevlana: I am not concerned with such things now, leave them. I am not sitting here to answer such questions. If she has a Shaykh or na’ib ash-shaykh, she may ask. I am not occupying myself with answering such things. I am sitting here for the whole world, not for what mureeds are doing, no, no. I don’t like someone to ask such questions. There is Shaykhuna, such questions he may answer and we may say only, we are saying, first of all, as-salaam `alaykum, our brothers and sisters in Islam, or through human family. Brothers and sisters. We are only to speak, for whole nations from East to West from North to South. Please don’t ask any question concerning yourself, but for whole nation you may ask. I don’t like, “what am I doing for our dhikr? What is the way for progress for my tariqah?” This is not important. That is something making shaytan to occupy such a meetings, not to be given granting to whole people. I am sorry and I am angry. Please no one asking any question concerning herself or himself, or his family, no. And we are saying as-salaamu `alaykum. Whole nations, that they are members of weak (big) human nature, tree, may Allah forgives us. (ameen)
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This should be enough for you Murids of Kabbani. Look at the complete lack of manners of your ‘Shaykh’. He doesn’t even know what to ask and what not to ask to the Grandsheykh. How can this be possible? The man has been with Great-grandsheykh Sultanul Awliya Sheykh Abdullah Faiz ad-Daghestani (qs) for 17 years and with our Grandsheykh Sultanul Awliya Mevlana Muhammad Nazim al-Hakkani (qs) for over 30 years. And yet, he hasn’t learned when to open his mouth in front of an Awliya and what to say? What’s really funny is, he gives lectures on his website telling people the Adab of sitting in front of a Wali.
Murids in Michigan, understand what Grandsheykh is trying to do by giving a Dergah to Sheykh Abdul Kerim Efendi. Can it be any clearer? Grandsheykh is saying that he doesn’t want to occupy himself with individual progress of murids anymore. He is the direct deputy of the Holy Prophet (sws). In other words, he is like the Holy Prophet (sws) in this world for this time. His addressing is for the whole mankind and for all nations. At age 87, when he has hundreds of deputies everywhere, if he still has to waste his time telling Hisham and his low brain murids how not to think of Dunya when remembering Allah, the whole world will miss out on what Grandsheykh has to offer from the generous hands of the Holy Prophet (sws) to the whole mankind.
That’s one reason why Grandsheykh is bringing Sheykh Abdul Kerim Efendi to Lefke, for the individual progress of murids in Tariqat.
In my opinion, Hisham should be the first one to take benefit from Sheykh Abdul Kerim Efendi’s presence there, since he cannot even answer a new murid how to keep Dunya thoughts away from the heart while making Zikir. And yet he claims to be a Shaykh and a follower of two gigantic grandsheykhs. O stupid Lebanese cow! Call Sheykh Abdul Kerim Efendi’s Dergah in New York and whoever answers the phone, ask him how to keep Dunya away from the heart during Zikir. You don’t even need a Sheykh or Na’ib ash-Sheykh for it. Anybody in Sheykh Abdul Kerim Efendi’s Dergah will be able to help you with that problem. Just ask.
Take lesson O Michigan murids. Why do you think that your ‘Shaykh’ has not been able to make any progress in over four decades within this Exalted Tariqat? The first condition of Allah’s religion is Ikhlas, sincerity. Without this, men may sit with prophets all their life, they will not make one step forward. There are so many examples in the history of Islam. So many people came to the Holy Prophet (sws) during the end years of his life and accepted him because he was giving out enormous amounts of wealth and livestock. You know from Hadith about the people who were coming to the Holy Prophet (sws) after the Battle of Hunayn and he was giving them valley filled with sheep and herds of camels. And a man was seen running out and saying, ‘O people, follow Muhammad because he gives without the fear of poverty.’
Is that why people should follow him, because he gives them Dunya? Is that why the Muhajir and the Ansar followed him? Or was it because he brought from Allah Almighty the Truth? He was giving very little from the war spoils to the companions of Medina and some of them were puzzled at this. Then he addressed the Sahaba-e Ikram of Medina saying, ‘They go home with their sheep and camels, whereas, you go home with the Messenger of Allah. Aren’t you satisfied with the distribution?’ They all cried and replied, ‘Yes, we are satisfied Ya Rasulullah.’
Many of those tribes and people who came to Islam for wealth, what did they do after the Holy Prophet (sws) passed away from this world? They rebelled against Hazrat Abu Bakr Siddiq (ra) saying, ‘Our Bayat was with Muhammad. Not with you. So we won’t give you Zakat.’ Or, ‘We won’t establish prayer’, etc. Check the Islamic history, ilm-ul tarih, as your Grandsheykh is ordering. The two and a half years period of Hazrat Abu Bakr’s Caliphate was full with wars against these people. They were all Arabs, mind you, not Turks, not even the Persians or Byzantines. So, don’t defend the Arabs without distinction. Mankind’s best came out of that race, as well as the worst.
So, that’s what your fake ‘Syyidi’ is preparing to do. Rebel against the Grandsheykh and his orders for the sake of this temporary Dunya. Understand his life and you will understand his mentality.
He never looked for the truth or sought the Divine Face of Allah Almighty, which is the aim of Tariqat. What you are not looking for, you will never find, even if it’s right in front of you. Hisham always quotes Mevlana Khalid al-Baghdadi (qs), but only what fits him. Look at his story. He was already teaching Tariqat in Baghdad. Yet, he was looking for something more. He was searching for something else. And he travelled all the way from Baghdad to Delhi to look for the person who can give it to him. Finally, he met Shah Abdullah Dehlavi (qs).
It’s the opposite with Hisham. He had to be dragged out of a Masjid and brought to the great-Grandsheykh’s presence. Otherwise, he would be stuck in that Masjid until Judgment Day. Still, he didn’t know why he was brought into this Exalted Tariqat. He didn’t look for a Way to the Divine Presence or sacrifice anything to gain entry into Tariqat, therefore, he didn’t understand what Tariqat has to offer. He saw the reverence of the people for the great-Grandsheykh and his authority and influence over the murids, and he fell in love with it, thinking that’s what Tariqat is all about.
And that’s what he is running after. He is looking for the chair of Sheykh Mevlana Nazim (qs). He always has. That’s why he has never progressed in the way of the heart. Hear what your Grandsheykh is saying about this and understand. Sheytan was worshipping for 700,000 years, not to gain Allah’s Pleasure but to gain the Maqam al-Mahmud. That is hypocrisy. That is Hidden Shirk. And still today Shaytan is roaming the earth like a mad creature trying to destroy anybody who stands in his way.
Does it sound like someone you know? Sounds a lot like Hisham Kabbani, isn’t it?
Don’t be like him, O murids in Michigan. He has sold his soul and his religion for that chair. But many of you yet have not. Sheykh Abdul Kerim Efendi is teaching us the reason of our creation and the purpose of our life on earth, exactly as Sheykh Mevlana Nazim (qs) is teaching. It is to be for Allah alone, and for nothing else. No recognition, reward, status, title or thanks is desired for the service of Allah. Whatever Allah Almighty has written for you will come to you. No one can stop it. Whatever is not written for you, you will never reach it. I have read the following story from a lecture of Hisham. It’s funny how people cannot take benefit from their own words.
When Khwaja Ubaydullah Ahrar (qs), the 20th Grandsheykh of our Silsila, was preparing to leave this world, he called all his deputies to his Dergah in Samarkand in order to appoint the next Grandsheykh. Many deputies were very eager to receive this exalted position and were rushing to be nearer to him. When he saw this he was saddened and addressed all his deputies saying, ‘I am going to throw my turban up. On whoever’s head it falls, he will be my Khalifah.’ He threw it, the turban didn’t fall on anybody’s head but flew out the door of the Dergah and fell on the head of Khwaja Muhammad az-Zahid (qs), whose job was to arrange the shoes of all the murids coming to the Dergah. No one could believe it. They all thought that there must be a mistake. So they requested the Khwaja to throw it once more. He did and the result was the same. He did it a third time and still the same thing happened.
Then the Khwaja explained to all his deputies that it is not about what you are and how much you can do that makes you beloved to Rasulullah (sws) and the Awliya. On the contrary, it’s whether you can be like a hollow flute, whatever music the Master wants to play, that’s what you will give out. Khwaja Muhammad az-Zahid had that characteristic. So the succession fell on him.
Will Hisham ever understand the lesson of this story which he spoke with his own mouth? Allah knows best.
But as for you, don’t get caught up in his downward spiral to hell. Save yourselves. And there is only one way to safety. Follow the teachings of your Holy Prophet (sws), of your Grandsheykh and of his rightly guided Khalifahs, Sheykh Abdul Kerim Efendi being one of the best ones.
Good luck to the sincere ones among you. Find your way to Sheykh Efendi Kerim Efendi slowly. You will find him generous and forgiving towards you. Remember Hurr of Karbala, the General of the first detachment sent from Kufa to stop Hazrat Husayn’s advance. He met with Hazrat Husayn (ra) with proper manners, prayed with him, ate with him, and he understood what kind of a person Hazrat Husayn (ra) was, the exact opposite of what he has been told. So, in the morning of 10th Muharram, just before the battle started, he was able to come to Hazrat Husayn’s side with a few of his men, and they died fighting for Hazrat Husayn (ra). Before he went into the battle, Hazrat Husayn (ra) said to him, ‘You have made yourself Hurr (free man) in Dunya and Hurr in Akhirat.’
So, come to the one who is representing Hazrat Husayn (ra) in America. Don’t follow the one representing Yazid. Come sincerely with proper manners, sit, eat and pray with him, and you will know by yourself who is on Haqq and who is on Batil.
Bismillah hir Rahman nir Raheem
Destur Meded Ya Sheikh
Mashallah to our brothers and sisters who have been defending our Sheikh and putting the truth out there for all those with a little bit of intelligence to see for themselves. There is nothing more needed but I will add my two cents for the sake of Allah and the love of my Sheikh.
To those that are confused or not understanding what is haqq and what is batil you must look at everything in the context of ahirzaman, dajjal, Mehdi (a.s.) and Isa (a.s.). What is coming our way has never happened to any ummah and even the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.) sought refuge from the confusion and the fitnah of the dajjal. Sheikhs must be training and preparing their mureeds for this. A strong wind is blowing, lines are being drawn, haqq and batil must be separated. Oh Hishamis, wake up! Is the one you follow preparing you for this or is your head stuck in the clouds, power of attraction, levels of the heart? Are you sure you know how to use the bathroom properly? Are you making your daily prayers on time?
Sheikh Effendi has saved so many people from hells that Hisham cannot even imagine. From drug addicts and dealers, prostitutes, mental patients and even those caught by the other ones. He has put all these burdens on his neck and received nothing from those he has saved and has asked nothing from them. Can Hisham say that? Does he only fear Allah or does he fear governments? Does he fear poverty?
Hisham is a pussycat who collects kittens to become pussycats like him. Sheikh Effendi is a lion collecting baby cubs to become lions. Pussycats cannot enter the jungles and hells that are found in America and are swallowing people day by day. For that it takes a lion, king of the jungle who has the power to enter those areas where no one else can enter and pull those who are stuck in their own hells.
Several years ago I heard my Sheikh speaking about that one from Michigan and saying that he loved him and that he prays that he would change his way one day. For what he’s doing that? He’s making show? No. He has supreme adab of tariqat and supreme love of his Sheikh.
What a difference.
Oh Hisham Kabbala, you have lost and you are a looser and those who follow you will end the same way. Wake up! Come to your senses, step on your ego and jealousy and envy and love Grand Sheikh and be obedient to him as you claim to be.
BismillahirRahmanirRahim,
Destur, Medet Ya Seyh,
May ALLAH (SWT) bless Sultan al Awliya Seyh Nazim Adil Hakkani and our Seyh Sahibul Saif Seyh Abdul Kerim al Kibrisi and grant them higher and higher stations! May we be counted among those on their side and not among those who displease them! May the slanderers and evil tongued people get what they deserve in this life and the next
I would also suggest everyone watching this amazing sohbah by Qutbul Mutesarrif Mawlana Sheikh Hisham Kabbani where he is inviting Sheikh Abdul Kerim to his home and where he says that he had made those remarks about him only out of love. Why? Please watch. He also apologizes for the things he had said but also expects an apology from those who have harmed him and Mawlana Sheikh Nazim. He is calling to unite all naqshbandis.
http://sufilive.com/Suhbah_1-2386.html
you will be losing a lot if you miss out on watching this video.
Seyh Abdul Kerim did not harm him, and definitely he is working for Maulana.
I will add, that his asking for an apology from Seyh Abdul Kerim. Seyh Abdul Kerim said not one word to him. But murids from around the world came to show their solidarity with their beloved Seyh Abdul Kerim. Seyh did not call him Abu Lahab, Seyh Abdul Kerim did not call him madman, Seyh Abdul Kerim said inshaAllah we will HELP THEM. So what apology is he looking for? There are thousand+ comments on this incident on various posts on my blog. I cannot apologize for everyones words.
You think Seyh Abdul Kerim made these responses? No. That is not his work, but people out of love made these responses. Video responses, text responses, letters, phone calls. Each one is responsible for their own work. I shared just a handful of them on the website so Michigan could see how their words were HURTING others.
Since President of Cyprus came these attacks started for no reason in public, and they have been going on for years before. In NY Times your people said we are excommunicated from Naqshbandi’s and other ridiculousness, it is not us who sent Kaafir reporters to you. It is not us giving world wide sohbets complaining about you. So many videos were sent to me asking me to share with the world, I did not. Just one I showed as a taste.
Stop the attacks, dont apologize with one hand and attack with the other about halife. Seyh Effendi is not after any chair. He says openly he wants to die when Maulana passes. So that is no excuse for these attacks.
Let us hear a real apology for calling Seyh Abdul Kerim Abu Lahab and us his murids worse than him. A real apology for mental institution comments. A real apology for drugs comments. A real apology for comments about sending j-nns. A real apology for an attack everyday for over a week. A real apology for saying Seyh Abdul Kerim is doing against Maulana’s wishes. Let us hear that, that will be a miracle.
Let us hear that Seyh Abdul Kerim is following Maulanas orders in the US and that the whole world doesn’t belong to one person except Maulana. Everyone else has their work to do.
I allowed a forum to exist to serve the best interests of us all. If you don’t like it, please leave.
I haven’t cursed anyone. Be busy with yourself.
What is amazing, is that he apologized at all. This is karamat.
such a heavy responsibility… inshaAllah then it must be that he will need the help that Sahib us Saif offered, more reason to keep the peace and set the record straight.
second: He already gave an ‘apology’, I’m just asking for clarification.
Absolutely Yursil as i have been saying all along inshallah this will be a catalyst for all mureeds to unite. No-one is negating the work of Sahib us Saif – We should all at least apologise for any hurt we may created to Moulana Shaykh, Shaykh Hisham and Shaykh Abdal Kerim and all mureeds – I for one APOLOGISE!! and inshall will make two rakats of Touba.
Posturing again, Subhan’Allah. No one cares about your two rakat. That’s between you and Allah. Why are you broadcasting that here? Mash’Allah! What a drama queen.
You haven’t seen Sh Abdul Kerim speak to him then. Regardless, the reaction has nothing to do with the familiarity, it has to do with the reality of carrying the work of a real representative of Holy Prophet (AS).
Shazad,
Stop your inane posturing. I’ve been watching you. You are an instigator like the ones you represent. Do yourself a favor, take a break from your ego, and don’t pass you limits. Arrogance? You are a guest here, and yet Yursil’s is graciously still “allowing” you to strut around like a used up rooster. Uff! The duplicity of your statements never ceases to amaze, only because they are so consistently backwards and argumentative.
BismillahirRahmanirRahim
I read your comment and want to highlight this:
– “Learn good manners yourself. You people do not know so many things that go on behind the scenes between Mawlana Sheikh Nazim and Mawlana Sheikh Hisham–the private conversations and orders that he gives. Be careful not to cross the limits as all of these will come out one day and you will be crying in regret!
I will leave it at that. If you are brave enough, you will allow this comment to go through, brother!
So just for the record, don’t think you are achieving something by insulting Mawlana Sheikh Hisham–you are actually insulting Mawlana Sheikh Nazim!”
As for telling us about good manners, we don’t learn our manners from those who make or defend personal attacks on our Sheikh and our Hajje, via live “SUFI-stream” which become part of an episodic series of videos that are clearly the loudest and most public smear campaign ever perpetrated, unprovoked, by a representative of Sheikh Mevlana Nazim against another representative of Sheikh Mevlana Nazim. Thanks, though
Also, it stands to reason we don’t know about private conversations because of the nature of the conversations: private. The same can be said about all the private conversations between Sheikh Mevlana Nazim and his Halifes. If it comes out it comes out but what we CAN speak about is what is public. That is not a mystery to any of us. Any able-minded individual will understand the clarity of attacks in those videos. That kind of love nobody needs from another ‘brother’. I’m sure you know the saying, but I’ll modify: ‘With brothers like these, who needs enemies’.
Finally, Sheikh Hisham is NOT Mevlana Sheikh Nazim. That much is abundantly, unquestionably clear, Alhamdulillah, and I can clearly differentiate between the two and so can millions of others. But, still you call both individuals Mawlana Sheikh, even though one is a murid of Sultan-ul Awliyah and the other IS Sultan-ul Awliyah – I and so many others find it strange.
But for the purpose of this convo, I’ll give you a pass even on that. So basically what you’re saying is, is “respect my Sheikh, because Sheikh Mevlana is vouching for him”. The inherent problem with this ironic statement so late in the game and after the fact, defenderoftruth, is mind-boggling. If you believe what you say, apply this logic to our Sheikh, and repeat for all the other Halifes of Sheikh Nazim. Otherwise, it is pointless and no one will take you seriously. It is YOUR Sheikh who attacked and is still attacking our Sheikh, NOT the other way around. Even in his “apology” he is casting doubt on the intentions of our Sheikh, that he is after Sheikh Mevlana’s chair and title. Subhan’Allah, what a sincere apology – laced with such sincere poison. I’m sure you’ll excuse us if we take your statements with more than a grain of salt. If you are using and applying the logic, that one who Sheikh Mevlana initiates and gives authority to is not to be questioned, then, none of us would need to be even having this type of discussion. But that’s not how this started, is it? Insh’Allah it ends on a sincerer note, but again that is entirely dependent on your Sheikh. We will continue to defend our Sheikh’s honor.
- and I have to add- what is brave about Yursil letting your comment go through? Like Gandhi, you seemed civil enough in your disagreement. You act like you’re blowing the whistle on something he doesn’t want the world to see. Strange and unnecessary, that part.
BismillahiRahmanirRahim
Salamu’alaykum,
There is no attack or slander here I think you must be mistaken. The attack and slander came from that side which called people Abu Lahab and Umm Lahab, accusing people of drugs, accusing people of insanity and desire for Maulana’s position. Can you please point out where you are preceiving slander is and I can take care of it?
Bismillahir Rahmaanir Rahiim
Asalaamu alaikum Jafar.
1) There is no “disagreement b/w khalifas”. There is just one khalifa openly & publicly challenging another, calling him names, saying he is not a khalifa at all, and spreading lies about him, as well as calling his wife names (particularly shameful to attack a woman in this way).
2) Yursil cannot be held responsible for others airing their experiences with Sh. Kabbani or raising the fact that these types of attacks have actually been happening for years. Just as many of your co-mureeds have seen fit to continue attacking Seyh Effendi here, perhaps some commentors have been a bit overzealous in their response to Sh Kabbani. But the difference is, Sh Kabbani opened the door with his public low behavior and speech that he continues to engage in. Sh Effendi Abdul Kerim has not engaged in any such speech or in any way even tried to defend his own self.
3) Before you advise others to desist in what you claim are “attacks” against Sh Kabbani, you should ask your fellow mureeds who follow Kabbani to desist in their attacks. Take responsibility for your own and your own group’s actions before you advise others how to handle the hatred being spewed from your side.