Another Murid made a video that I want to share. Maulana Sheykh Nazim responds to the attacks in this video. In the video you can see plainly the attack and the takfir of calling a Muslim man and wife, Abu Lahab and Umm Lahab. There are other good points in there.
http://www.youtube.com/user/TruthNaqsh
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BismillahirRahmanirRaheem
Hisham Kabbani exposed!!!
How dare you lose respect for this man of God (Shaykh Hisham)? Don’t you know he is Sultan’s son in law and his authorized Representative in the West? Does Sultan ever talk Abdul Kerim during the live broadcast after his suhbat? NO. He talks to Shaykh Hisham only because he is family. How dare you lose respect for the family of Sultan? You are like those who attacked Seydina Hussayn {as}.
Bismillah
Did Kabbani tell Maulana that he is calling people Abu Lahab and Umm Lahab? Did you hear Maulana’s words in this video?
Just to get it right…Mr. Kabbani calls Mawlana Sheykh, who answers his phone calls. You make it sound like Mawlana is calling Mr. Kabbani.
Also, isn’t it clear who is attacking who here. Are you so blind that you cannot see the Truth? Should we follow the one whose words are completely in opposition to those of the Sultan?
Then why don’t you have Abdul kerim call Sultan everyday after the broadcast? We’ll see if Sultan will take the call. If he is so close to Sultan let him call everyday and talk to Sultan in front of 700 people everyday. Most naqshbandi mureeds around the world never even heard of this local representative (abdul kerim) and yet he is pretending to be Sultan’s KHALIFA in front of Sultan and the President of Cyprus? Didn’t you see the video? What type of Adab is that? His actions are betraying him. There are basic principles in Sufism that one doesn’t do and this is certainly one of them. Any true Sufi student knows that you have absolutely no right to call yourself KHALIFA, especially not in front of your Shaykh. Even if this was true, where is the man’s humility? Since when does a real khalifa give himself the title of Khalifa in front of his Shaykh? Many people who don’t know him saw this video and were disappointed in his behavior. There are things you do that don’t lie and that expose you.
BismillahirRahmanirRahim
Sultan takes his calls all the time, but he is not after show. Sh Maulana gave him title Khalifa, that is his job. Did you even watch this video on youtube here? Please watch it, and tell me then who is lying.
It is not about getting the title of Khalifa from Sultan, it is about what you do with it. The real Khalifas have always try to hide this title instead of bragging about it. In the time of Sahaba, it wasn’t even discussed until whoever was Sultan at that time left this world. Go check the history books if you don’t believe me, this is basic Sufi history.
Ali: Is he PRETENDING to be Khalifa or did Maulana say he is Khalifa?
You said “yet he is pretending to be Sultan’s KHALIFA”, and this is a lie. Apologize.
Yursil, what yourself? Are you apologizing for taking Sultan’s words out of context and attacking his family through this low video? How can you guys pretend to love Mawlana Shaykh and yet feel ok with attacking his family? It just doesn’t make sense to me. have you guys lost your minds??
It’s not my video, I am just sharing it. There is no lie in this video like there is in your statement. Is Seyh Abdul Kerim pretending or not? It is a lie, so apologize.
Maulana is saying as he likes about Hisham Kabbani, and some people are putting on the internet.
Every day cursings are coming out from Michigan, I don’t feel any shame telling people the truth. Maulana has sons also, why are you so concerned about son-in-laws. If that is how you think, follow his sons!
How can you not be ashamed to attack Seyh Abdul Kerim who Maulana is pleased with and is saying belongs to him?
I think you are another one of the riff-raff. Another word Maulana used in the video.
Strange how every time someone doesn’t agree with you he is labeled as the enemy.
Ali. I am going to talk to you very calmly and very nicely now, insha’Allah, because I think that you are truly looking for the Truth.
Sheykh Abdul Kerim el-Kibrisi is the Khalifa of Sheykh Mawlana. He has been given this title by Sheykh Mawlana. For now, don’t think about what Sheykh Hisham has said in terms of interpreting this statement. Just focus on what Sheykh Mawlana has said. The video is clear. Sheykh Mawlana has said, and is saying, that Sheykh Abdul Kerim el-Kibrisi is his Khalifa.
Still with me? Okay. Now, an official guest came to the house. That guest is the President of Cyprus. The President asked Sheykh Abdul Kerim, who are you? He is compelled, by the manners of our Tarikat. to introduce himself as a Khalifa. Why? Because he must show to the President that he is representing Sheykh Mawlana. Why? Because Sheykh Mawlana himself is sending Sheykh Abdul Kerim to the door to greet the President and to help him to exit the house. Sheykh Abdul Kerim is doing those things for Sheykh Mawlana, as his representative. Just like, if you invited a guest to your house and sent your son to open the door, wouldn’t you want the guest to know it’s your son for proper manners and not some stranger greeting him? Isn’t that the good manners?
Just because Sheykh Abdul Kerim is unknown to you and some other people, does that make his Khilafa less valid? Isn’t your Sheykh, Sheykh Hisham, telling stories every night of how the Khalifas of our Grandsheykh were unknown? Isn’t the fact that Sheykh Abdul Kerim is unknown despite the fact that Mawlana has given him permission to spread Tariqa in the whole world a sign that he is being humble and not bragging about being a Khalifa? Ali, I am really asking you this as your brother, I am not trying to be aggressive.
Sheykh Abdul Kerim has not issued any response to your Sheykh. Yet since Thursday night he has been attacked in EVERY broadcast Sheykh Hisham has made on SufiLive. And yet you are still defaming Sheykh Abdul Kerim. Is this justice? Is this fair? Do you think that Sheykh Abdul Kerim does not have a heart that is being pierced every time he sees his brother, a murid of Sheykh Mawlana, attacking him in the worst words? Yet he has not said anything bad about Sheykh Hisham. He continues to pray for him. Ask the murids who were in our New Jersey Dergah on Friday night. Sheykh Abdul Kerim only prayed for those who were attacking him. He had such a high level of adab that he did not even mention Sheykh Hisham by name.
Yes, there are some people who are impassioned. Do you blame them? What would you do if you saw a Khalifa of Sheykh Mawlana calling Sheykh Hisham Abu Lahab? If he said Sheykh Hisham was destined for hell? If he said that Sheykh Hisham was lying about being a Khalifa? If he said that Sheykh Hisham was on pills? If he said that Sheykh Hisham was in a mental house? Wouldn’t you be as upset as Sheykh Abdul Kerim’s murids are about these attacks?
If you are sincere, which I truly believe you are, go talk to Sheykh Hisham. Tell him that he should stop these attacks as it is of no benefit of anyone. Tell him to apologize for the wrong words he has uttered. Or, if you are not satisfied, ask him to prove anything he has said. If you find that he cannot provide you with the proof, you should be intelligent enough to understand that the accusations were false, and as such, Sheykh Hisham made a mistake. I am not saying he is not the Khalifa of Sheykh Mawlana. I am not saying that he is not the murid of Sheykh Mawlana. But he has made a big error here. And in your heart you know that. And in your heart you know that Sheykh Abdul Kerim is representing Mawlana and is beloved to him. If you love the Sultan, love who he loves. Allah (SWT) and His Holy Prophet (AS) will love you. May Allah (SWT) guide your eyes to see the Truth. I am praying for you as your brother in Islam and in Tarikat under the banner of the same Sultan.
BismillahirRahmanirRahim
Salamu’alaykum
@Ali and others talking about how Seyh Effendi introduced himself to the wife of the President of Cyprus. First, Seyh Abdul Kerim Effendi was asked who he is. Now, he had already been the one to invite them into the house and he was also the one taking them out of the house. This is a customary responsibility of a family member. Seyh Abdul Kerim Effendi was asked who he is in terms of his work.
A khalifa is an ambassador. And Seyh Abdul Kerim was performing that role to these guests. Now, it is a different thing to introduce yourself to another shaykh. In this context, anything other than saying Khalifa would be inappropriate and bad manners. The proper thing to do was to introduce himself as Seyh Mevlana Khalifa. So answering the question with Khalifa was completely appropriate.
We all heard what Moulana said – “Do Not Pay Attention to them” – He certainly did not ask anyone to respond in this way. Does anyone hear actually listen to what Moulana said? Or do we listen and then do whatever we feel like and then accuse others for not following Moulana?
Shazad, the murid is sharing the video to explain the attack and Maulana’s response and take on S Kabbanis attack. It is answering back because SKabbani gave them permission…
from your interpretation, does that mean we should not pay attention to SKabbani anymore? Every sohbet is packed with similar angry rants.
Maulana is saying ‘now we will speak’, the murids are putting his words against Hishams.. come to your own conclusion.
>>Maulana is saying ‘now we will speak’
if it is the case then let Moulana speak. Put the complete video by Moulana on the site without your own interpretation and then let people make their own conclusion. BTW, the section about democracy is ridiculous!
Moulana says quite clearly thyat those who i give authority to have been given authority from above! Has Moulana taken Sh Hisham’s authority, that you speak about him in this way? Please do not say that “they started it”!
There is no interpretation here, very few words from anyone except the attacker and Maulana Sh Nazim. All we have is the attacker denying Seyh Mevlana Halife and lying about drugs and Abu Lahab and Maulana asserting his pleasure with Seyh Abdul Kerim and his permission from higher stations.
Or do you think that is interpretation?
everything will be online soon, and we have more also.
i Ihink its about time this stopped- ido you not have fear of Allah in your hearts. Whatever is the truth will come out without you exposing it.please stop now
It’s all interpretation Yursil and you know it, What is wrong is wrong and there is no problem putting that up, but to start adding your comments and snippets from talks from completely different context is ridiculous.
Sheikh Hisham says that Abu Lahab and his wife will be in Hell, and you made it out as though he said Sh Abdal Kerim and his wife will be in Hell!
If Moulana praised the West in anyway or it’s leaders, will you then condemn Moulana too?
First, its not my comments or my video. it is from people better than me
I don’t understand your distinction, if I call you Abu Lahab, and then I explain that Abu Lahab is going to hell, doesn’t that mean I think you are going to hell? I mean, what else does it mean to call someone Abu Lahab?
The West = democracy? Maulana praises democracy and then denounces it? I don’t think so. He may praise a leader here or there who needs their ego boosted, but he’s always been firm on these points.
Yursil, you’re not doing yourself or Sh Abdal Kerim any justice here.
BTW, you didn’t answer :If Moulana praised the West in anyway or it’s leaders, will you then condemn Moulana too?
Nope.
Shazad, you are back to your old games. If Moulana said X. If Moulana said Y. If Moulana said Z. Do you have a brain? Leave the what if!!!
Mawlana IS saying democracy is batil. Mawlana IS saying he is pleased with Sheykh Abdul Kerim. Mawlana IS saying that Kabbani’s people like you are riff raff.
Accept what he is saying now. Then we can talk about “what if.”
What if!
Read this, from 2003 and then tell me!
http://www.sufismus-online.de/GeorgeBushAndTonyBlair
and if you claim to stand for Haqq, let me have your verdict, Haqq or batil?
I’m sorry, I don’t see anywhere in there where Maulana is saying Democracy is Haqq??? Am I missing something?
Are you really this blind Shahzad? You need to learn to read.
“This is the time that one after one (these tyrants) going to be changed and kingdoms must come. If not coming (kingdoms) to territories through Arabia and Turkey, East and West, America can’t trust any country that claims to be democratic or another system. Only kingdoms are going to be for them supporters. Therefore America’s plan is to change every democratic system through the Middle East and to bring the Kings or Sultans to their places, because people also are looking for their Sultans, asking to support them and to be with them. Sultans only keep heavenly Orders. Others, democracy, is only an artificial system, never going to be successful after today. No control on Arab countries.”
Mawlana is CLEARLY decrying democracy here again and exalting Sultanate. He is saying that Tony Blair’s and George Bush’s sainthood is based on the fact that their war is bringing the coming of Mahdi (AS) and bringing kingdoms and Sultanates back to the Middle East. The Sainthood that Mawlana is explaining here is based on their bringing down of democracy and their reinstatement of Kings.
Learn to read, then come and speak to us.
Ghulam Rasool, it’s quite clear that you only read into things that you want Moulana is calling Bush and Blair saints:
“If they think that Saint George Bush and Saint Tony Blair doing this by themselves- if there was no heavenly support, even one day they couldn’t be able to stand on their feet.”
The same “saints” that you denounce Sh Hisham for keeping company of. As Yursil said of Sh Hisham in his earlier post:
“You are meeting with the biggest Sheytans, Dick Cheney and George Bush. Okay, even if you are saying that you have to meet them, you did not refute them! You did not rebuke them for killing Muslims in Afghanistan! You did not rebuke them for killing Muslims in Iraq! You just smile and take Happy Ramadan pictures with them.”
Ghulam Rasool, Moulana is not caling them shaytans, Moulana says “I am not speaking from my ego. It is a clear declaration. If anyone is asking to change this, may come for challenge!”
lol, really id like to take the credit for all these great responses but this is not me. I don’t have the time.
Shazad. Your words show that you do not understand Mawlana’s words. As such, stay out of the discussion. As I said before, that Sainthood is clearly based on the fact that they are furthering the agenda of Mahdi (AS) and Isa (AS)’s heavenly appearance. They are not doing that now. They are not under that Saintly protection, nor are they being Saints now. Like I said, go ask Mawlana. If you have enough money to book Abdul Qahhar’s flight, perhaps you should book your own first and really learn about our Sultan and what he is preaching and what his mission is and what he is about. Until then, please stay silent. Your words are entering as sins in your book.
Yursil, i didn’t say anything about Democracy being Haqq, i said Moulana praising the very people you are calling Shaytans and condemning Sh Hisham about.
Proves my point though if you can take snippets from Sh Hishams talks to condemn him, what will stop you doing the same about Moulana.
shazad, you’ve seen the evidences, and there is more coming. More recordings of Maulana on the topic of Sh Abdul Kerim, the dergah in Cyprus, his authority. So now… there is really only one choice. We can debate historical 2003 sohbets and this and that. But what about today? I answered your questions.
Now answer mine:
In these attacks that are coming nightly from Michigan, are you approving and laughing with those murids next to him or are you standing behind Sh Abdul Kerim.
If you say you are behind Maulana an no one else, then what meaning do you take from what you have heard so far with regards to what Michigan is doing every day? If it is to stay out of it, then just please, stay out of it.
Yursil, okay so now it’s not you saying this, even though it is your personal blog!
there is a quote from a larger response on my personal blog, and I did not write it. I linked to it.
Shaykh Nazim said that Seyh Abdal Kerim will have greater responsibilities once the mahdi comes,
so the mahdi’s time is near?
Yes.
May be you should put one the site that you can answer for in that case
What does this mean?
the website of the murid of Maulana is http://defendingthetruth.wordpress.com/
Yes i am behind Moulana, and Moulana did not order anyone to respond, infact he categorically said to ignore it! I’m just advising you to accept what Moulana said.
Thank you for your advice. I have other advice from Maulana also. I take my advice from the Shaykhs.
And also, just to let you know, Maulana is behind Sh Abdul Kerim.
So will you support the new dergah in Cyprus with a small token of support? Not money, Shaykhs don’t need that from people like this…. but let us hear you say one word of support for the new dergah?
Shazad. I am writing the defendingthetruth blog. You clearly do not know Mawlana, nor do you know what he has said in the past about Bush and Blair. You are quoting one sohbet. Go to Cyprus and ask him what he thinks. If you want to ask me about my blog, you may comment there; those words are mine. As to the commentary here, stick to the topic.
Did you watch the video? Whose words are you accepting? Mawlana’s or Sheykh Hisham’s? It’s not so hard. Pick who you want to follow in dunya and akhira. Because guess what? It’s clear that both trains are not going to the same station
Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim,
MashaAllah, this video is clear testament to the fact that Shaykh Abdul Kerim is free of the slander and lies thrown at him by the dishonorable Hisham Kabbani. Kabbani keeps bringing up the fact that he isnt family, but as we all saw in the video, Shaykh Mawlana himself stated that Shaykh Abdul Kerim belongs to him, just as the Holy Prophet (sws) spoke about Hazrat Salman al-Farisi (r) as belonging to him, even though there was no physical connection.
It seems that this argument brought forth by Kabbani has only been a proof against him as our history teaches us that so many Prophets and Awliya were known to have family members rise up against them, from Prophet Adam (as) to Hazrat Hasan (as).
I must say I feel bad for Kabbani’s students who have been deluded for years by his lies and slander. If they do infact have real love for Sultan al-Awliya, inshaAllah they wake up to themselves and realize that have been tricked by a con-artist who must turn to lies and deceit in order to give himself credibility. But as we can see, even that credibility is short lived as the defenders of truth produce writings and videos such as these to show Haq and Haq and expose Kabbani’s Batil as Batil.
Salaam,
What is going on here?
What is this all about?
Does this benefit the awam?
Dont we as muslims have enough problems, sufi shaykh murids fighting publically only gives tasawuf a bad name, this is not what tassawuf is about, peopel in tariqah should rise in morals and ettiquettes.
I pray for peace
salamun alaykum
Abdul Qahhar, I hope to know Moulana, but i don’t think anyone of us really know Moulana. As for going to Cyprus to ask Moulana, this sohbet was in Cyprus!
You really know Moulana? this is what Moulana said of Sh Hisham in a Decalartion last year
http://www.sufilive.com/Mawlana_Shaykh_Nazim_s_Declaration_for_UK_Europe_and_everyone-1517-print.html
I’m sure Moulana would be equally as upset if he knew what you were saying about Sh Hisham. If you claim to be defending truth, GO TO CYPRUS AND SAY WHAT IS ON YOUR SITE INFRONT OF MOULANA. I will pay your fare!!
Yes i did watch the complete video and would hope you people would be sincere enough to post the complete video and leave it at that. Because, guess what? that’s what Moulana said.
More videos coming from Maulana… don’t worry, this topic has been brought up again.
Also, instead of bringing up this topic on his private sohbets, why not when he is so intimate with Sh Maulana, tell him about whats going on? Lets hear Maulana’s words on this topic from Michigans side
Shazad. You really really really have no idea about Mawlana. You want to talk to me? Comment on my site. Mashallah, you really are just like your Sheykh Hisham. A twister of words.
More like twister of topics… Lets get this straight:
1) Maulana is supporting Seyh Abdul Kerim and instructing him and Maulanas own orders are the source for his activities..
2) Hisham Kabbani is cursing Seyh Abdul Kerim nightly
3) Seyh Abdul Kerim is not cursing Hisham Kabbani, and in fact is hurt by these words.
4) Maulana gives a statements of support to both of them
5) Now, Shazad, do you support the Osmanli Dergahi in Lefke or are you opposed to it?
Give your site publicity, for what?
Yursil, so now Moulana says different things in his private sohbets to the public ones? Like i said to you, i’m not actaully bothered about Michigan side or New york side, Inshallah i am on Moulana’s side.
Abdul Qahhar, Which words did i twist, bring facts, not girly emotions.
Good, then what does it mean to be on Maulana’s side? Does that mean you support the opening of the Lefke Dergah or not?
More like twister of topics… Lets get this straight:
I’m trying to give people the complete picture, as someone who is not a murid of Sh Hisham or Sh Abdal kerim, but a murid of Moulana.
1) Maulana is supporting Seyh Abdul Kerim and instructing him and Maulanas own orders are the source for his activities..
Yes he is, and supporting Sh Hisham as he has said on many occasions, not just once!
2) Hisham Kabbani is cursing Seyh Abdul Kerim nightly
Yes he is, and Sh Abdal Kerim’s murids are now doing the same about Sh Hisham.
3) Seyh Abdul Kerim is not cursing Hisham Kabbani, and in fact is hurt by these words.
But his murids are and i’m sure he knows that they are.
4) Maulana gives a statements of support to both of them
Exactly so how can we condemn any one of them?
5) Now, Shazad, do you support the Osmanli Dergahi in Lefke or are you opposed to it?
I knew nothing about this dergah until Sh Hisham mentioned it in the video, but if Moulana is called it one of his stores, who am i to oppose it.
–4) Maulana gives a statements of support to both of them
–Exactly so how can we condemn any one of them?
Because what we have here is a NEW situation developed by the CHOICE of Kabbani’s ego. And the most RECENT statements ON THIS conflict are in support of SH ABDUL KERIM and not the people attacking. The most recent statements (not from a years ago, but from the days since the attacks started) tell us that Kabbani is surrounded by riffraff and that he cannot handle them, that he cannot handle the whole world to himself as the only khalifa. People make choices and shaykhs get faced with hard tests of the ego. Some win and some fail. In this test Maulana is telling us who is right and wrong. We should not let it bother us, because Sh Maulana is behind Sh Abdul Kerim. We are not getting bothered, but everyone should still know who is right and wrong in Maulana’s eyes.
Ahhahahahahaha, aaaahahhh oh dear, this makes me laugh really!!
Still STILL you ant accept!!! hahahaha!!!
@ Ali. what does SH phoning and speaking to Maulana count for?? Nothing! Why does he do it so publicly, its all for show, nothing else, another power trip for him, but the real ones dont need to show or tell when they call, or speak!!! Sheikh Abdul Kerim calls, and Maulana speaks to him!!!
Where wer your cries when SH was calling Sheikh Abdul KerimAbu Lahab and saying he and his wife will brun in hell fire!!!! where!! and where were you when he was calling him salafi and stupid crazy man! Dont come with cheap lame replies that”’Oh he is family how dare you….blah blah blah!!!
HOW DARE YOU!!! HOW DARE YOU SIT BACK AND NOT SAY ANYTHING WHEN ANOTHER KHALIFAH IS BEING SO VICIOUSLY ATTACKED AND MOCKED EVERY NIGHT!!!!
hmmmmm, are you one of the hyenas laughing in the background!?
As for shazad asking for whole video,.,…oh shazad…..if you were to watch it all, you would be down on you knees in no time!! as Yursil Bhai said….soon come, soon come!!!
Dont worry, all in good time!!
Abdul Qahhar so are you prepared to GO TO CYPRUS AND SAY WHAT IS ON YOUR SITE INFRONT OF MOULANA. I will pay your fare!!
Come on Defender of Truth!
Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim
I myself while in cyprus saw the sufilive crew mute the volume when Shaykh Mawlana would mention Shaykh Abdul Kerim’s name. Why? something isn’t right with these Naqshbandi kabbanis. I have had heard from other murids who were present in Shaykh Mawlana’s house that when Shaykh Mawlana would give certain orders Hisham Kabbani would yell back and argue. Is this the adab he has learned from GrandShaykh Shaykh Abdullah Daghestani and Shaykh Mawlana Nazim? It sounds like he has more characteristics of Abu lahab than anyone else.
DEAF DUMB AND BLIND….thats what all you are kabbanist are!
Anon, profound comments!
Bismillahi Rahmani Rahim
Shazad, don’t be coward. My brother has made you a question (you also like to make questions, don’t you, we can see it):
“Where wer your cries when SH was calling Sheikh Abdul KerimAbu Lahab and saying he and his wife will brun in hell fire!!!! where!! and where were you when he was calling him salafi and stupid crazy man! …
HOW DARE YOU SIT BACK AND NOT SAY ANYTHING WHEN ANOTHER KHALIFAH IS BEING SO VICIOUSLY ATTACKED AND MOCKED EVERY NIGHT”.
Please answer or shut up at all.
Alhamdulillah!
What amazes me is that you still cant accpet, and stomach. It really is that hard for you, we put everything on the table, (well there is more to come) but still you cant accept….deaf dumb and blind for sure!
Its like the wahabis, no matter how much you put a case to them, they never wanna accept.
Answer the point Suleyman made, that the sufilive cameras muted whenever Sheikh Abdul Kerims name is mentioned.. Why,,, why dont you think on that?!
We have every rigth to defend the vile slander, you cannot tell us otherwise…you cant even speak on matters mentioned in the video,…what do you think Maulana means when he say about SH words..” We are not accpeting”
Maybe SH will interpret that in his own words to mean something else!!!
im sure of that….infact he is probably right now sitting with his riffraff figuring out what to say next…..you had nothing to say of the insults every night thrown at Sheikh Abdul Kerim, YES He sits silent, but we will defend…and we have done so, but the deaf dumb and blind lot cant take it!
aaaahhhhh Humble pie, such a bitter taste…but ooooooooooooohhh sooooooooooo goooood for the ego!!!
BRR
S. a.
shazad just go tell your Dark Lord to stop attacking Seyh Abdul Kerim…that’s all. He does not have the guts to tell Seyh Abdul Kerim personally (as you do not have the guts to tell Hicham either) so he continues the attacks on the internet surrounded by his jackals. This is not the action of an alim, a sayyid, a sheykh or a sufi. But our Seyh, mashAllah, yes, just like Hazreti Husain is aloof to all this. but I am not and if he continues, know that he WILL be continually exposed.
why is hisham kabbani like a stubborn donkey…stop already, just stop with the passive-aggression. maybe HE’s on medication becos his are the actions of a lunatic.
@ Ali…you said…
“Most naqshbandi mureeds around the world never even heard of this local representative (abdul kerim) and yet he is pretending to be Sultan’s KHALIFA in front of Sultan and the President of Cyprus?”
But now thanks to kabbani rant…..the mureeids around the world do know who sheikh ABdul Kerim is, and are loving him more and more!!! so it has backfired on you kabbanist!
And as for SHeikh ABdul Kerim meeting with the president of Cyprus….oooooooohhh that really hurts you doesnt it……that cuts you deep…how can it be, how can Sheikh ABdul Kerim have met the President of Cyprus and SH not have a word in egdeways! cant swallow it can you…but lets get One thing straight here…
Sheikh Abdul Kerim wasnt pretending anything!! the President himself asked who He was!!
You see, Sheikh Abdul kerim doesnt need to grovel to anyone president or prime minsiter!..
Actually Anon, you are completely wrong. Most mureeds around the world are very disappointed with the fact that students of Abdul Kerim cheated and put together a video that is out of context to attack Sultan’s son in law. You couldn’t produce an authentic video so you had to cut bits and pieces to make one. At least Shaykh Hisham is telling it IN YOUR FACE without any need for low tricks like you did. As I said your actions betrayed you. You guys are like angry little kids who can’t take the heat. If Abdul Kerim is right about eveything he has claimed let him come in front of all of Sultan’s mureeds and declare he is the one who is right. Why is he hiding? He knows he can’t hold himself in front of all of Mawlana’s mureeds and representatives. And if he can send me his jinns if he wants, I’ll be waiting.
There is a comment for you from Abdul Jabbar that you should read.
And you should point out which parts are out of context, so the producer of the video can fix it.
Bring your grievances, lets hear it.
Ok that’s good.
BismillahHirRahmanNirRahim
Salaamu Alaikum Wr Wb
Ali Effendi, do you want the full video? im sure it can be done. I have seen the full length video all 3, there is no denying in that Shaikh Hisham has insulted mocked ridiculed Shaikh Abdul Kerim.
May Allah end such fitna soon very soon InshaAllah.
Allah Hafiz
BismillahirRahmanirRahim
What people don’t realize is that the significance of having Sh Abdul Kerim show the President out of the house. It is a custom of a member of the household to take a guest and walk them to the door. Maulana had Sh Abdul Kerim perform this duty.
I would also like to ask Ali this…..and anyone other kabbanist…
You say that no one shold call themselves this and that, and SH says there are no khalifahs…so on and so forth, YET!!! He has everyone address him as Maulana!!!!
explain that Ali, where is SH humility there!!! i have heard so mamy times him say im am no shiekh i am no this no that, yet never stops anyone calling him Maulana! Have him Make and announcement to all his followers that he is NOT maulana, only Sultan ul Awliya is Maulana!!
Yet is see his followers listening to his words more that Maulana….and when Maulana says something they say…oh but ots ok coz SH said this, and he is his son in law….i have seen with my own eyes ppl disobey Maulana and do as SH has said and not Maulana!!
SH has made murids follow his ways more that Maulana! I will give an example…
London St Anns Priory,…yes the place that SH slandered a few months back calling the likes of Sheikh Abdul Hamid and those there Hyenas… Maulana had ordered for a wooden grill to be put up as a parting btwn men and women….this was dont….then when SH came i saw with my own eye he threw a hissy fit!!!! Saying….and i quote as i remember this clearly …” 20years i have been comeing here and no one did this and now you are putting up parting” And rhen he said to all the women to come forward and sit infront of it with the men…….and the stupid women did just that!!!!!!!!!! even thought they were being told, Maulana has ordered for this parting to be here for women to stay BEHIND it….but there reply was…but SH says its ok……
And Ali you speak of Sufi principles……..are you kidding me!!!!
Tell me…is Slander a sufi principle….Is telling lies a Siif Priciple….Is belittling a Sufi principle…Is mocking a Sufi principle..
Answer this and then come back and speak to us about Sufi Priciples!!!!
Ali, i really dont know what world you are in, where people are dissapointed in the way The video has been put together…were they not upset of disappointed at they way SH slandered and abused and mocked in Sheikh ABdulKerim his videos?? you speak of what we have done and say and yet you make no apologies for what SH has said and is continuing to say….you say we are like children, Ha!
Look to your Sheikh and how he has behaved, it is like a child who didnt get the candy and is throwing a hissy fit, because he cant get his way…that is what this is about!! He cant get his way anymore….He is not being asked to do anything of any value he just likes to go around asking for money and conning people! Recently with this VIP event!!
I will not forget that abomination….have you ever known Maulana to charge pple money to attend a gathering…ok so you needed it for the stadium suite….you could have got a hall like all the other muslim organisations did and charged very little, but no he wanted the top suite and sold tickets seat for £200 and later said they were donation! Even another Sheikh in London said that it was biggest con and a joke!
Another example of his hissy fits recently is Saltanat TV…This is Maulana’s own channel, one they have paid for from their own pocket and write for…everything coming from there Maulana is incharge of….but Michigan sabotaged it……oh yes i kow exactly what they did!!!
yet SH slanders it….and then has a vile video made of two of those who are around Maulana, husband and wife, such a disgusting video that slandered them, again he authrorised to put out……so you tell me Ali…who is the child here….
You see in reality, people are seeing for themselves and are opening their eyes! I dont but what your saying at all!!! From east to west they are seeing who is in the right! I can tell you SH is not looking good at all, and that is not from me but from the people who have watched this video, there are those who are apologising and saying they were wrong to keep silent when the slander was happening…He has made himself look the fool…you say for Sheikh Abdul Kerim to step forwrd…do not wish for this, coz the day it happens you will wish you had kept your forked tongue behind your teeth…
BismillahHirRahmanNirRahim
Salaamu Alaikum Wr Wb
@Ali effendi, listen and read, I have been going and listening to Shaikh Hishams sohbets since ive been in tariqa, ive been a murid for around almost coming to 15years, and according to a role of a Khalifa, its to spread the love of Mawlana Sultan Awilua Shaikh Muhammad Nazim Effendiminz, the past 3 sohbets from Shaikh Hisham, i haven’t at all seen this, rather ive seen lack of adab, curse’s to another Khalifa, mocking another Khalifa, and more and more even calling his wife Umm Lahab…. brother do not paint a picture over the clear cut precise picture, if someone has done wrong ok admit pray for him that he makes tauba, why defend it? His Sultans son-in-law…. And ? does that give him the right to curse ? to condem ?
Mawlana Sultan Awilua Shaikh Muhammad Nazim Effendiminz can give and take all titles away remember this, his in charge not anyone else, all Khalifa’s are nothing without Mawlana Sultan Awilua Shaikh Muhammad Nazim Effendiminz, so again why defend when the picture is so clear, i sincerely am praying for such a fitna to end, as its harming and heart breaking, though defending a curse a mocking a public humilation to a fellow Khalifa of Mawlana Sultan Awilua Shaikh Muhammad Nazim Effendiminz is really truely baffling at this level of evidence.
May Allah forgive me and us all, and InshaAllah eyes that are closed to be opened and all to repent and see the true light of this scene.
Allah Hafiz
Bismillah
Yes that is another point, most people are not aware that Michigan hacked saltanat tv, paid from Sultan’s own pocket. And they put this video up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n36wZfGaE0 there. And people complain about this video I just put up?
Those people depicted in the video are the two egyptians that they attacked in the sohbet right before Sh Abdul Kerim.. all the men know Nabil.
Where were their cries when this was going on?
Why isn’t anyone from Michigans group taking this video down?
What in the world is that awful video about? There are two supposedly grown men talking in falsetto voices behind masks and making the most inane kinds of slander. That’s about as far away from tasawwuf as so-called “sufis” can get.
I was trying to remain on the fence about this whole thing but it’s not really looking so good for the people in Burton. May Allah cause this matter to be smoothed and may those who claim to call themselves sufis repent from slander and idiotic behavior. Subhan Allah!
BismillahirRahmanirRahim
It is impersonating a man and his wife who live in Cyprus, claiming they are murderers of Sheikh Nazims wife.
A day later Kabbani started attacking them in a sohbet that they entitled “Abu Lahab and Umm Lahab in Cyprus” and then the next day was Abu Lahab and Umm Lahab in New York (Seyh Abdul Kerim)
Ali,
Just accept the facts. The proof is in the video from The Sultan’s mouth. As for dealing with jinn .. shaykh hisham has left one of his mureeds in our neck of the woods to suffer from them. An the so called qutb mutsarrif who controls happy angels can’t solve that problem????? I forgot he did say in his videos that he is scared of jinn and no longer deals with them because of his lack of ability to do so. You can refer to the incidents in Canada and in Michigan that he mentions if you need further proof. First he slanders people .. leaves his mureeds to suffer and turns his back on the Sultan’s orders .. what else is there? Dajjals wakeel?
I am shocked at the video! so this is hisham kabbani’s modus operandi – terrorise people with fitnah so he can be THE ONLY ONE!!! what a dirty thing…he has no honor.
yes, hisham kabbani is behaving like his no. 1 enemy – the wahhabis! he is behaving like a bully, a terrorist! where are all his messages of peace, love and forgiveness? he is exposed!
Ali. I am going to talk to you very calmly and very nicely now, insha’Allah, because I think that you are truly looking for the Truth.
Sheykh Abdul Kerim el-Kibrisi is the Khalifa of Sheykh Mawlana. He has been given this title by Sheykh Mawlana. For now, don’t think about what Sheykh Hisham has said in terms of interpreting this statement. Just focus on what Sheykh Mawlana has said. The video is clear. Sheykh Mawlana has said, and is saying, that Sheykh Abdul Kerim el-Kibrisi is his Khalifa.
Still with me? Okay. Now, an official guest came to the house. That guest is the President of Cyprus. The President asked Sheykh Abdul Kerim, who are you? He is compelled, by the manners of our Tarikat. to introduce himself as a Khalifa. Why? Because he must show to the President that he is representing Sheykh Mawlana. Why? Because Sheykh Mawlana himself is sending Sheykh Abdul Kerim to the door to greet the President and to help him to exit the house. Sheykh Abdul Kerim is doing those things for Sheykh Mawlana, as his representative. Just like, if you invited a guest to your house and sent your son to open the door, wouldn’t you want the guest to know it’s your son for proper manners and not some stranger greeting him? Isn’t that the good manners?
Just because Sheykh Abdul Kerim is unknown to you and some other people, does that make his Khilafa less valid? Isn’t your Sheykh, Sheykh Hisham, telling stories every night of how the Khalifas of our Grandsheykh were unknown? Isn’t the fact that Sheykh Abdul Kerim is unknown despite the fact that Mawlana has given him permission to spread Tariqa in the whole world a sign that he is being humble and not bragging about being a Khalifa? Ali, I am really asking you this as your brother, I am not trying to be aggressive.
Sheykh Abdul Kerim has not issued any response to your Sheykh. Yet since Thursday night he has been attacked in EVERY broadcast Sheykh Hisham has made on SufiLive. And yet you are still defaming Sheykh Abdul Kerim. Is this justice? Is this fair? Do you think that Sheykh Abdul Kerim does not have a heart that is being pierced every time he sees his brother, a murid of Sheykh Mawlana, attacking him in the worst words? Yet he has not said anything bad about Sheykh Hisham. He continues to pray for him. Ask the murids who were in our New Jersey Dergah on Friday night. Sheykh Abdul Kerim only prayed for those who were attacking him. He had such a high level of adab that he did not even mention Sheykh Hisham by name.
Yes, there are some people who are impassioned. Do you blame them? What would you do if you saw a Khalifa of Sheykh Mawlana calling Sheykh Hisham Abu Lahab? If he said Sheykh Hisham was destined for hell? If he said that Sheykh Hisham was lying about being a Khalifa? If he said that Sheykh Hisham was on pills? If he said that Sheykh Hisham was in a mental house? Wouldn’t you be as upset as Sheykh Abdul Kerim’s murids are about these attacks?
If you are sincere, which I truly believe you are, go talk to Sheykh Hisham. Tell him that he should stop these attacks as it is of no benefit of anyone. Tell him to apologize for the wrong words he has uttered. Or, if you are not satisfied, ask him to prove anything he has said. If you find that he cannot provide you with the proof, you should be intelligent enough to understand that the accusations were false, and as such, Sheykh Hisham made a mistake. I am not saying he is not the Khalifa of Sheykh Mawlana. I am not saying that he is not the murid of Sheykh Mawlana. But he has made a big error here. And in your heart you know that. And in your heart you know that Sheykh Abdul Kerim is representing Mawlana and is beloved to him. If you love the Sultan, love who he loves. Allah (SWT) and His Holy Prophet (AS) will love you. May Allah (SWT) guide your eyes to see the Truth. I am praying for you as your brother in Islam and in Tarikat under the banner of the same Sultan.
This video just made me think about something. Mr. Kabbani is speaking Shariah, Shariah, Shariah.
Is it Shariah to have a grown man jiggle his ass into a crowd of covered women?
astagfirulllah Many lies in the video such as , shayk hisham did not say shayk abdur karim wife is going hell and so is he , he actually meant Abu lahab i saw this video with my very own eyes when it was live stop lieying and cutting bits and bobs out .
shame on you !
So. He CALLED Sheykh Abdul Kerim and his wife Abu Lahhab and Umm Lahhab. Then he said that Abu Lahhab and Umm Lahhab are going to hell.
Do you understand English? Your posts indicate not. If I call you a hell-bound person, it means that you are going to hell. Abu Lahhab is THE example of a hell-bound person in the Quran. Why is it so hard for you people to even have the balls to admit what Kabbani said?
yursil you so silly , Mawlana shayk nazim in one of his videos said that, I invite pope and i will give himhuge respect and then quoted a hadith, this same pope was the one who called prophet Muhammad s.a.w Evil Astagfirullah now are you going 2 condem shayk nazim no because you have to show respect, mawlana shayk nazim is showing respect because maybe he might still come to islam. shayk hisham met george bush and cheyney it does not mean he loves them when the enermies of prophet s.a.w hurt him he didn’t hate then no! he tried to make treaties with them he tried to become friends with so they might come 2 islam.
when a guest invites you dont say no wether hitler or george bush because how do you know that by your presence or how you act with them might make an influence on them to becoming a muslim it Adab .
BismillahirRahmanirRahim,
To Shazad:
The more you keep posting, the more you reveal your true intentions.
Earlier, you said :” I’m trying to give people the complete picture, as someone who is not a murid of Sh Hisham or Sh Abdal kerim, but a murid of Moulana.”
Complete picture? You have been twisting the picture since last week.
It’s telling how you stopped answering back, when Yursil replied to you, as follows (Re: comment #25):
“Because what we have here is a NEW situation developed by the CHOICE of Kabbani’s ego. And the most RECENT statements ON THIS conflict are in support of SH ABDUL KERIM and not Hisham Kabbani. The most recent statements (not from a years ago, but from the days since the attacks started) tell us that Kabbani is surrounded by riffraff and that he cannot handle them, that he cannot handle the whole world to himself as the only khalifa. People make choices and shaykhs get faced with hard tests of the ego. Some win and some fail. In this test Maulana is telling us who is right and wrong. We should not let it bother us, because Sh Maulana is behind Sh Abdul Kerim. We are not getting bothered, but everyone should still know who is right and wrong in Maulana’s eyes.”
After this response, you stopped talking to Yursil, and started goading two other people in this thread with silly challenges.
What matters to us, is that “dr.” hisham kabbani has committed outright slander and defamation against Sh Abdul Kerim, and that this has been a pattern with him and his murids for a long time.
For whatever reasons, you consistently & wilfully overlook this, and by argumentative sophistry you aim to make those who express love and support for Sh Abdul Kerim, as misguided idiots.
Did you forget that mr kabbani only worsened this fitnah, by insulting and slandering Sh Abdul Kerim’s murids as well?
Despite pretensions to love and support Sh Maulana, you are ignoring who is right and wrong in Sh Maulana’s eyes, now.
If you have enough money to pay for someone’s ticket to Cyprus, why don’t you consult with your sheykh on traveling to Lefke yourself, and provide service to Sh Maulana at the new Osmanli Dergah? Perhaps it may be a cure for you.
Aren’t everyone tired from all this arguing? I am tired just reading it. I am here out of curiosity because someone posted this address in sheikhnazimforum. Let Sheikh Hisham and Sheikh Abdul Kerim speak for themselves. Everybody else should just stay out of it. Don’t make it worse by speaking on their behalf especially when they never ask you to. One of the four things you should never do according to Imam Ghazali is argue as it brings more bad than good. Leave this argument before it gets worse. No matter what anybody say, it will not make the other person change his already made up mind about the mattar, so leave it.
Bismillah,
In the video Maulana speaks for himself. Thats what is being shared here.
Bismillahir Rahmaanir Rahiim
Asalaamu alaikum.
The only people “arguing” are people like yourself who are stepping in trying to tell others what to do, which is essentially condoning the slander and lies by not saying that there is anything wrong with it, and mureeds of Sh Kabbani who use foul-tongues to defend his right to say such disgusting filth.
Mureeds of Seyh Effendi Abdul Kerim are merely presenting facts. It is the rest of you who are arguing.
Also, you should not assume that that permission has not been given for this to happen.
Aminah, you’ve said this before, have you been given persmission for this?
i do not answer to you Shazad. Have you been permission to come here and create so much fitnah?
Salam Aleikum..
Aren’t you guys all in the same Tariqa? This is mind-blowing. I mean you’re having disputes as if one group was COMPLETELY and totally different in its core values, than the other.
What happened to adab in discussions? Many of you using inappropriate language or being sarcastic. Im not saying this because I believe Im in a position to learn students of knowledge anything. I was simply chocked by this discussion and the way it is being carried out. If a discussion doesn’t hold any value then one should leave it.
Imam Al Ghazali said that in a discussion one should feel towards the truth as someone searching for a key that’s been lost, it’s irrelevant who finds it, the important thing is that it’s found. This requires leaving the nafs outside the door when discussing. So untill we’re able to do that, why not leave it to ulamah with the proper adab to discuss..
Bismillahir Rahmaanir Rahiim
Asalaamu alaikum.
Zaki, it would seem from your words that you are not of the tariqah. In which case i would ask why you are even getting involved at all. Since you like to advise, please take the advise to “leave that which does not concern you”. THIS GOES FOR EVERYONE WHO ENTERS THIS DISCUSSION IN THIS WAY.
Further, same tariqa or no, the nature of the attacks made by one party show that clearly some people do not hold to the same “core values” at all. And when people like you come criticizing us for answering to those attacks, all you are really doing is condoning those attacks. i have not read one single person who has come with this placating “this discussion should end” (which is hypocritical anyway as you feel you have the right to contribute to the discussion) talk who has actually had the decency to say “those attacks are disgusting filth that should never have been said”. Instead every single one of you comes saying that Seyh Effendi’s mureeds should drop the matter, should exercise patience, etc. If you cannot in clear terms say that the lies and name calling from ONE CAMP is wrong, then you are lying to yourself and everyone else when you pretend to be neutral.
Why do you say salaam when your words convey everything else?
Im not of this tariqa no, but Im from another one and Im a muslim. Anyway, I stumbled upon your site by coincidence, saw a text with a video of a Sheikh calling another muslim Abu Lahab, and thinking to myself that this must surely be some Salafi Sheikh.
I just wrote what I felt Aaminah; that it’s sad to see how we treat each other as enemies, and insist on focusing on differences, rather than what unites us. I’m sure that you all, and the Sheikhs included are much more wise, well-read and spiritual enlightened than me. So please forgive me if my comment was inappropriate. I didnt mean to insult anyone.
Maybe you misunderstood me. I never criticized one part of this discussion, I just shared something I read by Imam Al Ghazali and that is the rhetoric and the nature of debate. That when you see that your point isn’t getting across and all that seems to happen is an escalation in hate and hostility towards each other, one should think about leaving it.
My comment was well intended. Im sorry you took offense.
Ill take your advice and leave this debate. Again, sorry I wrote in the first place.
Allah ma3ki…
Bismillahir Rahmaanir Rahiim
Asalaamu alaikum.
Why do you not bother with salaams at all? Shall i infer (as i do) that you are the one who does not intend peace? i take the time to include the basmallah and salaams because that is basic adab and as it actually helps me to be careful of what i am saying. There is nothing non-peaceful about what i have written to you or anyone else. It’s quite simple: if this isn’t your business, then stay out of it. And it was interesting that you (as so many others) continue to tell those who have been insulted to “stop escalating” things, but none of you have told the ones doing the insulting to stop insulting or stop escalating things. Why do you think it is your place to tell Yursil what to post on his blog or how to respond to hateful comments? Why do you think that it is your place to correct me? Perhaps your comments are well intended and inshaAllah you will be rewarded for those good intentions. But you are, as i said, stepping into something you should not.
Salam Aleikum we Rahmatullahi we Barrakatuhu (I was wrong not to great you with salams and for that I apologize)
I never told Yursil to do anything or stop doing anything, much rather try to correct you. :s I didn’t even singled out your name before you replied to my comment, and I didn’t take notice on any particular names representing any one side. I’m sorry that you perceived it that way, It would be wrong of me to give advice to anyone, I see that now. And I intend peace wallahi. Once again, I am sorry for offending anyone, it has never been my intention.
Inshallah you will be able to forgive me so that Allah swt can forgive us all on the day of resurrection.
I told you I was leaving and I already understood that my comments aren’t welcome here, no need to stress it any further.
Much love to you my muslims brothers and sisters. May Allah swt guide us all to the love of the Beloved and eternally patient and tolerant.
Ma’a elfe salama
@ Amwar….kabbani called Sheikh Abdul Keirm Abu Lahab and his wife Umm lahab….they are going to hell, so by him saying this to Sheikh Abdul Kerim he is saying they will too!!!!
Stop trying to come with your petty lame argument, your need to address the real issue here, you criticise the video, yet you have said nothing on the vile slander!!! What have you to say on that matter!? are you denying Maulana’s wors….He has a lot of riffraff around him…..what do you say to that?
Who is the silly one here!!!!
Another deaf dumb and blind kabbanist!
Bismillahiarrahmanirrahim.
SULTANIL OF RIIFFF RAAFFF hisam kabbbbbbani whatever u name it soooo….
riiifff raffff of Mr LABNE
this video is showing everything…
we dont have to say so many things…
But Mr. LABNE (you khow who he is?
)
he should ask forgiveness soon.
He just gunna make gusul with COLD water (i bet you he never used cold water)
and pray 2 rekat after that 100 times ESTAGFIRULLAH EL AZIM VETUBULEYH than go to secde and ask forgiveness from higher station…..
him and all his murids sould do this…
he didnt even dream it “GRAND SEYH IS GONNA GIVE LAND AND OPENING A NEW OSMANLI DERGAHI….
mr LABNE didnt think about it. not even for himself
i very sorry for you Mr. LABNE….
be a good boy ok.
he is saying that : we are the worse one hmmmmmmm…..
NO NO YAWRUMMMMM..
WE ARE THE BEST OF THE BEST….
WE GUNNA FINISH YOU AND ALL YOUR FITNES…
Hey guys,
random question here- all these kabbani people are talking about adab. Don’t all kabbani’s call each other “shaykh”? ive always found that weird. theyre always pretending to be “nothing” and saying sarcastically that theyre ants, but its just weird – either they deep down want to be shaykhs or theyre just boosting their brothers and calling them shaykhs. it just seems pretty cheap to be a shaykh in michigan
slmz
ps i know its a little off topic, i just always wondered about this.
It is quite clear that what really bothers people on this forum is that they were expecting a harsher condemnation of Sh Hisham from Moulana, and to be fair i was too. Now that didn’t happen and infact Moulana said to “ignore it” and “leave them”, furthermore, he said Sh Hisham “has alot of rifraff around him and cannot control them” which sounds as though he is making an excuse for Sh Hisham.
So now you have only two options, either listen to your Sheikh, who is the Sultan and you claim to follow him “100%” OR you listen to Shaykh Abdal kerim – Last I heard he was making Dua for Sh Hisham, perhaps you should do the same.
The riffraff are an excuse for… what? His own statements on Abu Lahab? You make no sense.
We are listening. We are *leaving them*, we are seperated from them. We are *ignoring them*, we are not taking instruction from them. So now, we are sharing our sultans words on them. And we are telling others to also ignore them, and leave them.
His mouth is not a bag that I can tie it shut.
Exactly it’s not.
Yursil, what option are willing to take 1 or 2, i don’t believe there is a 3rd?
“IF THEY ARE MAKING SOMETHING UP FROM HIS MOUTH, I WILL NOT ACCEPT THIS”
I’m being honest i was expecting something harsher as i’m sure you were, especially given what everyone else on this forum has being saying about Sh Hisham since?
No I didn’t expect much harsher from Shaykh Mevlana. One disapproving look is enough to make your heart tremble, much less words at this level.
THE WORLD IS LARGE. ONE HISHAM CANNOT HANDLE IT, ONE THOUSAND CAN NOT EITHER.
That is Haqq!
Another question did Moulana know that this was being recorded, was permission asked?
Of course, this was right in front of all the cameras that record him in his chair for sohbet. Cameras were rolling and there are videos of it in some peoples hands.
There was no video footage, it would be interesting to see that
Unlike others we don’t have $20,000 cameras there, just a consunmer handheld one, and we cannot approach Maulana and record at the same time. The video is on the other cameras, inshaAllah we get it soon.
with out sounding too sarcastic, you can afford a dergah in new York and one in Cyprus abit more than $20,000!
Dergah in Cyprus is a gift of land from Maulana.
Mashallah they look nice.
Seyh Effendi teaches us to do a lot with a little, alhamdulillah.
Shazad-beta,
You got way too much time and energy invested in this….NATAK..!!
who are you to test other murids? Fix your own broken house first!
Did I not advise you to stop meaningless pursuits? .
It is wise, to not invite the anger and curses from those you hope to reform.
Alas, I fear your questioning on the day of judgement will be very severe.
There is a talk on sufilive, a section in turkish where Moulana mentions Shaykh Abdal Kerim, i was wondering if the sufilive people have translated it correctly:
http://www.sufilive.com/Bring_People_Good_News_to_Make_Them_Happy-2356-print.html
http://www.sufilive.com/Bring_People_Good_News_to_Make_Them_Happy-2356.html
Apparently Moulana calls Shaykh Abdal Kerim a bandit.
Is the translation correct?
Bismillahir Rahmaanir Rahiim
Asalaamu alaikum.
i don’t even know Turkish but i could clearly understand the video where Maulana Nazim introduced Seyh Effendi Abdul Kerim to others as “my khalifa in America”.
Sorry to say, even without understanding Turkish, i know for a fact that the SufiLive people, and the Shaykh in charge, mis-interpret/mistranslate stuff all the time. They cut video off, they silence video in parts, and they provide only partial transcription. This is how they do things all the time, how they have been doing things for many years that i am aware of.
i cannot speak to that specific link, but i would say it’s reasonable to assume that they fiddled with things.
BismillahirRahmanirRahim
No the translation is not correct and its a perfect example of these shaitans approach towards Seyh Mevlana words and Seyh Abdul Kerim Effendi.
Seyh Maulana is saying “hay haydut diyorum!”
the one word they are mistranslating is haydut, the rest they are leaving out
the meaning of the one word is here : http://www.turkcesozluk.org/search.php?record=0&word=haydut&desc=summary&abbr_1=0&abbr_2=0&abbr_3=0&abbr_4=0&abbr_5=0&abbr_6=0&author=0
You can see the second meaning on the list: “Yaramaz, sevimli çocuk.”
One meaning of cocuk, is son, I use it for my own sons.
Look at what google translator says it means:
http://translate.google.com/#tr%7Cen%7CYaramaz%2C%20sevimli%20%C3%A7ocuk
“Naughty, cute kid!”
What this is is actually a familiar term of endearment, of love to a son. But people are translating it to say he is as “bandit” and “thief”. HUGE difference.
You can see Seyh Maulana is completely smiling and chuckling and laughing at 15:10 saying it. He is happy with Seyh Abdul Kerim. This is a common joke between them that Mevlana is telling him to be smiling. Seyh Abdul Kerim is ALWAYS smiling, so they laugh.
It’s informal and loving, like father to son, such people who are jealous can never translate this relationship..
What can one say except those who operate this way with Maulana’s own words are shaitans.. deliberately changing Maulana’s meanings, knowing full well what they are doing.
Here we go some more Fitnah. These people are pathetic no matter how much evidence you are shown it doesn’t seem enough!!! You still continue slandering and attacking Sheikh Abdul Kerim.
I know so many incidents were Shaikh Hisham hasn’t been following or doing what has been said by Mawlana ( an example being Mawlana chuked someone out off tariqa from the netherlands yet he associated with him)!!! Why can’t you people just accept that he is a Khaliffa of Mawlana as well.
These videos critisising other muslims are pathetic and is NOT Islam. I guess this is what happens when you are jealous and cannot deal with other peoples status or success!!!
Yursil if you are saying Moulana said “hay haydut diyorum”, then according to the google translator it does mean “bandit”
http://translate.google.com/#tr|en|hay%20haydut%20diyorum
are you mentally retarded? If so, I can understand.. but otherwise… do you really think Maulana is saying “I hay bandits”?
google translator is not translating Hay or Diyorum properly. And it is applying only one meaning of Bandit.
Look at this dictionary here:
http://www.turkcesozluk.org/search.php?record=0&word=haydut&desc=summary&abbr_1=0&abbr_2=0&abbr_3=0&abbr_4=0&abbr_5=0&abbr_6=0&author=0
Look at the second meaning.
“Yaramaz, sevimli çocuk.”
Don’t be purposefully shaitanic. Don’t change the meaning of Maulana’s words. You already made up some words before and ascribed them to Maulana. Strike 2.
LOL, i suppose next people will be saying that it’s not the translating mureed’s fault if they are using incorrect translating software, and therefore no harm is meant by any of this. Fact is that translations should be done by someone with a good command of both languages and software/websites used only for clarification as needed (i say this as someone who has been intimately involved with the interpretation and translation industries in the past, so i know the standards and am not just making this up). Certainly someone can choose how to interpret something in such a way that is misleading as to what is being said, simply by taking things outside their context, which is what is being done here. If you were, however, to look at both the words used and the definition options for them, as well as the particular “turn of phrase” (i.e. many things do not translate literal from one language to another but require cultural awareness and knowledge of the way certain phrases are used in that culture), and then the context of the conversation/what is said before and after the immediate phrase… and then there is the body language and relationship context to which Yursil has already provided explanation.
Yeesh… like i said, i don’t even know Turkish – not one bit – and i am familiar with these issues. People who are ignorant should not speak as if they know something. We should be quick to admit to the limits of our knowledge, and much much slower (as in – not at all!) to question the wisdom in what and how Maulana is saying something.
Oh snap Shazad. You keep saying, take Mawlana’s words as they are, don’t change them. You really are a munafiq. Or maybe you are the one described in Sura Baqara, “Then is it only a part of the Book that ye believe in, and do ye reject the rest? but what is the reward for those among you who behave like this but disgrace in this life?- and on the Day of Judgment they shall be consigned to the most grievous penalty. For Allah is not unmindful of what ye do.”
Mawlana’s words are like the Quran for his true followers. His words are coming from Heavenly Stations, they are Wahi for us. You will twist and turn and manipulate to change his words into you want. As Allah is saying, He is not unmindful of what you do. Be careful Shazad beta…you will be taken to account. Just stop being a fitna maker and accept the Truth. As Mawlana says, he is HAPPY with Sheykh Abdul Kerim. Disaster to those who aren’t.
There is one word for thief, hırsız.
Ghulam Rasool, live up to your name, else change it. I will not abuse you in the same way you have done, i would do what your Shaykh would do – pray for you…
Yursil, I don’t know why you’re getting so touchy with me, i didn’t write the software translator on google, neither sufilive. If you say BOTH of them are wrong then i’ll accept that.
Because we’ve been going at this for days and now I’m showing you
“hay haydut diyorum!”
Does not mean
“I hay bandit”
It means, “Oh! you naughty cute kid!” It is a term of endearment and familiarity within a Turkish household.
The dictionary is there, don’t rely on a translator to give you context.
http://www.turkcesozluk.org/search.php?record=0&word=haydut&desc=summary&abbr_1=0&abbr_2=0&abbr_3=0&abbr_4=0&abbr_5=0&abbr_6=0&author=0
Look at the second meaning.
“Yaramaz, sevimli çocuk.”
Then, if you want, google translate each of those words and look at the various alternative meanings it gives.
Shazad… oh Shazad… this is so silly of you. We already know that SufiLive messes with what they allow to be shown publicly and have a history of mistranslating. Also, translation software is far from perfect, and as i said there is a ton of contextual issues/nuance that software cannot account for. Yursil is not being touchy with you, mashaAllah, but you are arguing just for the fun of arguing. Why not let it alone? Did he not explain in great detail already where his own translation comes from? Does it not seem, and indeed does HE not seem, like a far more trustworthy source than the other? SubhanAllah, i do not understand why you continue to comment except to stir the pot. You have said you have no need to take a side, that neither shaykh is your shaykh. So then please, leave off and stop stirring. As i have said before, i ask you this primarily for your own sake, as you are earning the rewards of your speech here and you will also earn the rewards for confusion and questions that you sow in others’ hearts and minds unnecessarily. Sit back and relax, inshaAllah.
Aaminah oh Aaminah, can you not be so wise when people are using words like pimp, dog and shaytan to describe Sh Hisham? I said to you i accept wrong is wrong, but you cannot accuse me of earning a place in hell while remaining silent when someone else that Moulana loves equally (at least we can say) is being abused. – with an excuse that he started it!
Ah, if the boot fits…
i did not ever say that “he started it!” like a child. but i have not heard you or anyone else do more than excuse his speech while constantly harping on and questionning everything Yursil has written. Nor has Yursil been the one to use those words you object to, although in the case of “shaytan” we should be clear that we all have that inside us, and Sh Kabbani seems to have allowed his to take over and his own behavior is the proof of it.
I am saying openly that cursing him with these words is wrong.
We can only repeat Maulana’s words for him and his people.
“These are servants of Shaitan, there are many of them” he said.
“His mouth is not a bag that Maulana can tie shut” (were it a bag!).
And we have a new word, “riff-raff”. So we should be using that.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/netdict/riffraff
disreptuable persons
SM – Seyh Mevlana
M- Murid
SM: I am giving permission to Abdul Kerim to start entering into different areas.
M: It would be very good.
SM: What is it?
M: It would be good.
SM: Of course it is. I am sure of that. Abdul Kerim is ‘hal sahibi’ / owner of spiritual stations
SM: Abdul Kerim has a lot of honor… they can not come close to him
M: He (Sheikh Abdul Kerim) does hizmet.
SM: His hizmet is plenty. But nobody knows that. Nobody knows.
SM: I will have him enter into every area
Yursil, your site has been very useful in spreading authentic teachings for many years, this episode however has not been so useful. But i do pray that it is not your mouth that is tied shut.
inshaAllah not.
Alhamdulillah, i don’t have a problem with any of that. Long live Shaykh Abdal Kerim!
Amin! And long live Sultan al-Awliya Mawlana Sheykh Nazim Adil al-Haqqani! May those who are lusting after his throne be taken from this world soon! Amin!!!
bismillahi rahmani rahim
mashallah this video was very good we liked so much . its standing up for the truth. people in michigan must be really wondering right now . people like shazd should show some heart and just finally say what they are implying in every message they leave, its ridiculous. i hope your using a fake name shazad you are acting like a scoundrel, just trying to plant seeds of doubt where there is nothing to doubt here….my selams to who ever made this video, mashallah to you …. may allah bless you
BismillahirRahmanirRahim
Destur Ya Sayidi!
Madet,
ali, shazad, anwar, and michigan can shove their lame execusese because of their lack of understanding of english and the proof put in front of them. That their so, called Shaikh is wrong and shouldn’t have said what he did over the last week and a half. SO, YOU GUYS CAN SHOVE YOUR LAME EXCUSES “TRYING TO SAYS hisham is right”, SHOVE IT WHERE THE SUN DOESN’T SHINE
ONE MORE THING everyone that is saying hisham is Maulan Nazim’s son-in-law so we should respect him. Just for your info. RESPECT IS EARNED NOT GIVEN.
bismillahi rahmani rahim
to michigan
for april25th bologney talks
yeah we are watching you very good hisham…..no one is hiding from you…….i dont think sheikh mevlana evr used the title mevlana in front of grand sheik abdullah though.. but you do…. YOU have the ugliest characteristics of them all…. so you can keep counting them but stop when you get to backbitting , jealousy, and liying cause they fit you…. you should make another seclusion just to contemplate those ones…we were there to see that too , and saw you cursing your business partners while you were on the phone during your seclusion……keep digging hishamy .we dont call you mr X ,you scoundrel and liar… its your grave and your the one whos gonna get in it… p.s. i hope you liked the video from our brother , im anticipating the next one .. how bout you? you and your riffraff….
786,
Yursil, that was an AMAZING exchange between a Murid and Sheykh Nazim. These words said in praise of Sheykh Abdul Kerim? By the Sultan of the Awliyah in our times? I am speechless.
Please, can you share more about it? Can you explain what it means to be an owner of spiritual stations? And, can you give us some examples of the hizmet that, as Sultan-ul-awliyah is saying, nobody knows?
BismillahiRahmaniRahim
I like how shazad came into this whole fitna claiming that he was impartial, that he neither knows Seyh Abdul Kerim nor hisham al-lubnani. But he just keeps introducing new fitnas and doubts here and there.
Ah Ah shazad if you have nothing true to say, which you dont, just sit down and be quiet. that’s real edeb. Don’t wake up fitna from fake translations. Why don’t you take Seyh Mevlana’s words saying “I am pleased with Seyh Abdul Kerim” as a warning for you. These are recent words if im not mistaken, even though the sentiment has and always will be true.
Oh Michigan people – stay quiet, its better for you. dont keep barking for no reason except for stubbornness. it’s forbidden.
Masha’Allah. The Truth keeps coming out. May the Sun of Truth continue to shine on our Sultan and his Khalifa, Sheykh Abdul Kerim el-Kibrisi.
I visited SufiLive and saw that Sheykh Hisham is continuing his attacks on our Sheykh and us, his murids. At one point he stopped the sohbet, looked at the camera and said, “his people are listening for sure.” Yes, you are right Sheykh Hisham. We are listening. We are listening to you and we are learning from you, alhamdulillah. We are learning great manners from the man who has no manners. From you we are learning what not to be like. Thank you for the lesson. Thank you for letting us to listen. You, who are a so-called great Sheykh, are saying to our Sheykh Abu Lahab. Abu Lahab, the only person in the whole of the Holy Quran who is GUARANTEED Hellfire. You are calling our Sheykh words that one should not even call another Muslim, not even another human being! So we are listening.
In his sohbet from 2008 responding to your attacks and accusations, our Sheykh made a promise that he would not reply to you anymore. But we, his murids, made no such promise. You called us worse than Abu Lahab. We are oppressed by your words. And we will respond. As long as you attack, Wallahi, I will respond. As long as you attack our Sheykh, Wallahi, I will respond. As long as you attack my fellow murids, Wallahi, I will respond. Until you apologize to our Sheykh and take back your false words and claim, Wallahi, I will respond.
May Allah (SWT) give our Sultan a long life! May He let us to reach to Mahdi (AS) with him! May He put us under the banner of Sultan al-Awliya and Sahib al-Sayf. Amin!
Wow!
I don’t really know what this is all about, but just to see the whole ‘Shaykh vs. Shaykh’ thing is really depressing. Sufism is a beauty, but I really fear this whole episode will taint this beauty here in the West.
May Allah end this battle once and for all and bring back the peace and harmony Sufism calls for.
SELAMUN ALEYKUM.
I FROM LONDON, AND I AM ALSO MURID OF SEYH MEVLANA NAZIM HZ.
I KHOW SEYH ABDUL KERIM AND KABBANI…
WHAT IS GOING ON HERE?
KABBANI AT WORK OF FITNE AGAIN?MASALAH MASALLAH.
OFCOURSE.
LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING.I HEARD FROM HACI OSMAN.
KABBANI 3 YEARS AGO CAME TO LONDON DERGAH AND BREAK DOWN EVERYTING IN THE DERGAH.
HE IS THE BIGGEST ESKIYA.BECAUSE THAT TIME HE WAS GOING CARZY FOR LONDON DERGAH.BUT OUR SULTAN IS FIX HIM VERY GOOD ON THE PHONE HAAAA MAYBE HE WILL REMEMBER,ASK HIM HE KHOWS VERY WELL….
STOP THIS FITNE KABBANI…THIS FITNE IS GUNNA BRING END TO YOU AND ALL YOUR FOLLOWERS.
BismillahHirRahmanNirRahim
Salaamu Alaikum Wr Wb
Yes indeed, im also in the UK and heard the account of this, and many murids was ashamed to see such a act, Sh Hisham should know better.
I still though cannot believe why doesn’t the people just admit it, that his (sh hisham) is at fault why defend such a act(s), Seriously if ANY Michigan followers are reading (following this articles here) which im sure 100% they are and prob twisting the tales here wants been typed and relating back to sh hisham, to sincerely apologise for his out burst of such a low low low blow with such accusations and curses and humilation more so to himself of such slanders to a respected loved Shaikh, whom is also loved by OUR Sultan whom has given him authority also of being his Khalifa.
We all here respect all Khalifas of Sultan Awuila effendiminz, its our job too and an order, this also goes to Khalifa to a Khalifa, all this fitna is really showing the shere disgust of what happens when a person losses his control and goes onto insults and slanders, then they goto quiet speeches of trying to justify there words, please just apologise, you done a mistake admit it, the one whom admits his wrongs is great in Allahs eyes, and shall release any heaviness from that person this I have learnt myself and experieced.
Only Allah knows, May Allah have mercy upon me if i said anything wrong here, as i find it truely baffling of these events going on and on and on and on, may Allah close the doors of fitna shut and seal it and throw away the key.
Allah Hafiz
@RSufi,
I’m knew to this too, but it seems that these are issues that need to be addressed. One “shaykh” is backbiting and slandering against another in a very foul manner. The other shaykh is not replying but making dua. Sufism, and adab in manifested in a beautiful way.
sorry, I spelled “new” wrong. silly me
BismillahirRahmanirRahim.
Also, to all the sincere people in Fenton. We may not have very expensive video cameras, but we have video cameras nonetheless. We have sound recorders. We have cameras. We record the sohbets of Sheykh Abdul Kerim. They are posted for everyone to see on http://www.naksibendi.org. Look at them. Sheykh Abdul Kerim is not hiding. He is making sohbet every night. But he is not using that Holy Association to attack anyone, even the ones who are attacking him. That is adab. Alhamdulillah, we are learning the real Ottoman and Nakshibendi manners from our Sheykh, not from the one who is attacking every time that a camera comes in front of him. O my sincere brothers in Michigan, who I love for the sake of Allah! Isn’t it clear that Sheykh Abdul Kerim is right in this situation and has been wronged? Isn’t the one who is not responding to the attacks better than the attacker? Open your eyes, open your hearts, for the sake of Mawlana.
I don’t think that Sheikh Hisham should forget, that when he was told by Mawlana to go to the USA it was Sheikh Abdul Kerim that looked after him whole heartedly. What a nice way to repay him!!!
Bismillahir Rahmaanir Rahiim
Salaams Lilly,
Oh, yes, he has forgotten and worse. If you could see the whole breadth of attacks over the past two weeks, Sh Kabbani has actually claimed that it was the other way around! He claims that it was he who sheltered Seyh Effendi Abdul Kerim – lie… that it is he who looked after & supported an “FOB” Seyh Effendi – lie… that it is he who authorized Seyh Effendi to continue a dhikr circle he himself had started – lie. The lengths that have been gone to to discredit Seyh Effendi have been enormous and wholly dishonest. And yet we still have people commenting here defending the release of such information, subhanAllah. The truth is easily available. So anyone who wishes to know will know, and those who don’t care about the truth will continue to argue it until they stand before Allah shamefaced and unable to answer.
sorry, i meant to say “defending the release of such MISinformation…”
BismillahirRahmanirRahim.
Assalaam wa alaikum,..my name is Asghar Ali and I am a mureed of sheykh abdul kerim from Hyderabad India,..i recently watched this video on youtube which has been circulating amongst the the muslim community of Hyderabad and now have seen it linked on yursil’s site, in which sheykh hisham kabbani in a public gathering verbally attacks and maligns the character of sheykh abdul kerim,…all of sheykh abdul kerim’s mureeds in hyderabad have been deeply offended by this vicious unprovoked attack of our sheykh; which can only be described as a desperate act of jealously to slander the character of this awliya, and cause fitna and confusion amongst naksibendi mureeds,.. the video also has sultan awliya sheykh maulana clearing all doubts about the credibility of sheykh abdul kerim and also saying that he is pleased with him,..last summer, the mureeds of sheykh abdul kerim in hyderbad, myself included were blessed to play host to sahib ul-saif,..and having been able to spend a few days in the company of my sheykh, I denounce and codemn thsese baseless lies by sheykh hisham kabbani . Sheykh abdul kerim has many mureeds in Hyderabad, who love and support and stand by him, and I can say with much conviction and confidence that the city of Hyderabad being blessed as the final resting place of many awliya who have passed through the centuries will not welcome those who slander the friends of Allah (swt). Sheykh hisham Kabbani should stop feeding the insatiable appetite of his own massive ego and the ego of his mureeds with these baseless lies.
Salaams,
there is no doubt that what Sheikh Hisham Kabbani did was bad adab and that he should stop doing what he is doing and go and ask for forgiveness from those he hurt, but I really do want to see the full video of moulana’s speech and I’m wondering when will it be shown?
Bless Sheikh Abdul Kerim for being so patient!!! I swear what do people get. As it is now more and more people have started to respect Sheikh Abdul Kerim for not responding to this blasphemy and being patient. It is very clear on who is attaching who!!! I have never heard Sheikh Abdul Kerim ever go against anyone in tariqa if he ever has a complain he goes staright to Mawlana!!! End of times I believe. When Mawlana said that only 1 out of around 50 will be his true mureed. What can we do but just pray to Allah. However we were NOT the ones that started all this Fitnah all we do is defend a person who is being ever so patient!!!
BismillahirRahmanirRahim
Salamu’alaykum Lilly,
Seyh Effendi actually does not go to Seyh Mevlana to complain about people -ever. It’s just not part of their relationship. In the rare case he says something to Mevlana, the person is present and its in a special manner.
The parts of this video which are from Mevlana are from a murid who asked whether Kabbani calling someone Abu Lahab is appropriate or not.
That too was not framed as a complaint but a question about adab.
wsalam Yursil,
I am sorry I didn’t know at the time how to phrase that. Adab is a better way to put it indeed.
BismillahirRahmanirRahim,
Salamu’alaykum
My name is Mudassir Ali and I am a mureed of Sheykh Abdul Kerim from Manipal, Karnataka, India. After watching this video I am shocked, disapointed, and disgusted by the attacks that Sheykh Hisham has made about our Sheykh. I can’t believe that he would also question the fact that our Sheykh is the khalifa of Sheykh Mawlana. I myself have never met Sheykh Maulana but I am fortunate to have been in our sheykh’s sohbet, and I can truly say that he is representing Sheykh Maulana everyday and everywhere he goes. If anyone after watching this video still concludes to make such false remarks, then they are truly foolish. If Sheykh Hissam believes that he is a true khalifa of Sheykh Mawlana, I can tell him this that the mureeds of Sheikh Abdul Kerim, and the other muslims here in Manipal watching this video are not impressed. I thank Yursil bhai and the other mureeds who have posted these videos and comments to help show people the truth abouth this situation. Sheykh Hissam probably thought he could slander our sheykh, and have us mureeds just sit back and watch. Sheykh Hissam’s actions and lies will not go unnoticed and that the mureeds of Sheykh Abdul Kerim will strongly respond with Haq, because we will always defend our Sheykh..
wsalam,
MAshallah I have respect for Sheikh Abdul Kerim too and his great work is beyond praise. However we MUST remember that we are the MUREEDS of MAWLANA Sheikh Nazim only. His Khaliffas and Sheiksh are their to help us on behalf of Mawlana so we must respect them offcourse but again we must remember that we are Mureeds only of MSN. No offence to anyone.
Peace out.
BismillahirRahmanirRahim
I hear this a lot, that only Maulana is our Sheikh, and now im hearing pple say “Oh i we dont need any Khalifahs, only Maulana”……all because of what SH has done….This what his fitnah has caused.
But i ask this…..do we really think that we are in such a level that we can reach to Maulana by ourselves?? Do we really think we are worthy to be in their holy presence?? Are we really worthy to be murids!!?? How many of us keep to the adab that is on par with what Maulana asks for…how many of us keep to our zikir daily, our awrad..How many of us are keeping to the sunnah??
If there is anyone who thinks that he/she doesnt need any help of khalifah and can reach to Maulana by themselves is seriously deluded..
Yes He is our Murshid…But it is Maulana who has sent his Khalifahs, to teach us the correct way, to teach us the adab, to keep our egos in check and uphold the highest standards of discipline….as Maulana wants..
It is up to the murid to choose the right association that is keeping to these high standards required of the true Naksibendi Hakkani Tarikat…….The standard that Maulana upholds, and the standards that the Grandsheikhs of our past held…..we need to find a Sheikh who will help us to reach to this level..without watering down out great way to suit himself.
If we think we can acheie this on our own…then it is the ego that is becoming the shiekh.
Few points..
sheikh nazim states that he wont die until the mehdi comes and that bush and blair are saints?
Sh kabbani believes in the kissing of womens hands? (refuted by gibreel haddad on sunnipath)
The shayks of the nashbandi path will have a role to play with the mehdi? would anybody like to elaborate on these points?
BTW im not a wahbi before I get acccused but from the outside it looks and feels like a scene from a soap.
BismillahirRahmanirRahim
Salamu’alaykum,
1)
These are hadith of our holy Prophet (AS). My question to you is, how do you understand these hadith?
These were collected by Imam Muslim and other great scholars well after these people (boy and woman) had passed. Why did they include them in their collection?
2) In the Hanafi madhab, this is permitted, even according to some pretty stringent deobandis.
http://www.albalagh.net/qa/kiss_hands_elder.shtml
In the Hanafi madhab the prerequisite for it being forbidden is the desire. Without desire it is permitted. This is a common practice in Turkey.
3) Yes, they will have a role to play with Mehdi (AS). Others will play their role with Dajjal.
Any further questions?
As far as the scene from a soap comment, I have heard that the Prophet’s (AS) life was pretty dramatic as well. I imagine it will and should be again in Mahdi’s (AS) and Isa’s (AS) time as well.
Bismillahir Rahmaanir Rahiim
Asalaamu alaikum.
On the issue of who is our shaykh… i believe that i understand what Lilly is trying to say and that her intentions are good. Personally speaking, to me, Seyh Effendi is like my father and Hajja Meryem is like my mother. Someone somewhere in all the various discussions i’ve seen since this fitnah started used an analogy i really liked. They were saying that Grandshaykh Maulana Nazim is like a father to his khalifas, who are his mureeds. So to me, i think it this way: Seyh Effendi is like my father and Maulana Nazim is like my grandfather. It is thru my father that i know my grandfather, and that my grandfather’s history, culture, and most importantly, his character and teachings, are given to me. i am a mureed of Seyh Effendi Abdul Kerim – it is he i took my bayat to and it is he that i have a personal relationship with, he who guides me directly, who advises and teaches me. Thru him, i am also a mureed of Maulana Nazim, as Seyh Effendi is only guiding, advising and teaching me by the method that comes from Maulana and by sharing with me Maulana’s teachings. So, if someone considers themself mureed of Maulana, alhamdulAllah, as he is grandfather to all of us in the Naksibendi way. But if someone says they are mureed to Seyh Effendi, alhamdulAllah as this is correct as well. With all that is going on right now, this is not, in my opinion, the real issue that we need to be disagreeing on. No need to argue over this!
Hassan, i think that people are misunderstanding what Maulana Nazim has said about Bush and Blair, as i did not understand him literally saying they are saints. He has spoken very strongly against their methods. i hope that those with more knowledge will be able to answer to your specific questions about the role of Maulana Nazim and the advent of the Mahdi, as i do not feel i have the necessary knowledge and understanding myself. But i understand why, as an outsider, it looks to you as it does. This is part of not having the whole story and not being intimately connected to it and i personally recommend that people who are not connected not embroil themselves in it as it causes unnecessary confusion. It is sufficient to accept that if a khalifa is slandering a fellow khalifa and spreading lies that are easily disproved, that khalifa is wrong to do so as it is not befitting the character of a mureed or shaykh. End story, end game.
As-salamu Aleikum,
Have you ever met Shaykh Nazim or visited cyprus? Just curious…..
I’m sorry if everything there is to say creates confusion for you and is a row, but there is no confusion on this matter.
Shazad, i am not confused by you. Nor do i believe there is confusion on this matter, but i disagree with your interpretation, and i base my disagreement on what Maulana himself has said. You know you are stirring the pot. You know your only intention in commenting is to stir the pot and confuse those who don’t know any better. Just leave it alone already. i would be afraid to be you on Judgment Day… subhanAllah.
BismillahirRahmanriRahim
Why do people get hung on on lexical nonsense… murid (seeker) and murad (goal).
We are murids and Allah is al-Murad (The Ultimate Goal).
Holy Prophet (AS) is our connection to Allah, he is also our Murad. The Sheikhs are our connection to him, they are also our murad. A halife is an ambassador, a representative for that one. When they represent properly there is no difference between them.
They become Halifa after reaching Fana-fi-Sheikh (annihilation of the self in the Sheikh) and as long as they hold to that, there is no Halife, only the Sheikh, and the Sheikh is fana-fi-Rasul, so there is only the Rasul (AS), and Rasul (AS) is Fana-fi-Allah, so there is only Allah.
Let people use whatever term they want, we are speaking to the same reality.
Yursil, you call this lexical nonsense, do you think scholars wasted their time writing about these matters?
Who told you:
“They become Halifa after reaching Fana-fi-Sheikh (annihilation of the self in the Sheikh)”
give your sources?
Are we talking about scholars or saints? Scholars can write what they want. Grandshaykh Abdullah Daghestani (ks) didn’t write anything, he was ummi.
You’re asking me the source is like asking a mathematical proof for 1=1, its possible, but quite complex and unnecessary.
A real Halife, proper and true, is representing the Shaykh. That is impossible if they are inserting their own egos into the mix. If they are not inserting their own ego’s then their ego’s have been annihilated in the Sheikh.
It’s actually written in many Naqshbandi books that it is bad adab to talk about these topics. So at this point, I’ll walk away and let you come up with contrary proofs and sources… do as you like.
Aaminah, i think this is a valid issue to speak about in todays reality, Why is my “interpretation” about this wrong?
In terms of “stirring the pot” i could say that about everyone on this forum, including your goodself.
Are people that naive that they will get confused about such basic tariqa matters?
Shazad-beta,
Why waste your time with scholarly writings, janab?
Your obsession with it, makes it become ‘lexical nonsense’ for you, to phir kya fayda?
You are pestering Yursil like an angry child, were you blind to his recent post?
“Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyya related from al-Sulami that al-Junayd said: “The truthful seeker (al-murid al-sadiq) has no need for the scholars of knowledge”
“When Allah desires great goodness for the seeker, He makes him flock to the Sufis and prevents him from accompanying those who read books (al-qurra’).
-Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyya, Madarij al-Salikin (2:366″
Beta, be a truthful seeker. Don’t be somebody whom Allah deprives of great goodness.
Therefore you must ask: “Oh my Sheikh, I am asking to be with you. You are with me, but I am not with you. I will try to be with you.” If these two currents meet, the power will run. The more you are able to concentrate on his being with you, the more power reaches you from his side. If you are wholly with him, then he is in you, and you are your own Sheikh. That is the meaning of being with your Sheikh… His power will surround you as much as you are with him, and then you should reach to unlimited power, because the Sheikh is connected to the Prophet, and the Prophet is in the Divine Presence.
Be with your Sheikh, and you will lose neither power, knowledge, wisdom, patience, nor your life, because everything is with him. You are never alone, not even in deserts or on seas, even if you were the only human being on earth. You will be most powerful among people; and even if the whole of mankind was coming against you, you wouldn’t fear, because you are connected to the real power station. If anyone was to touch you, he would fall down.
The fact that this power exists makes our life easy and safe. There is no need to fear if we concentrate on our Sheikh. But if we forget him, hopelessness and depression, suffering and fear may come to us. Therefore take him with you, wherever you are going. Then he will lead and guide you in everything. Then you will understand what it means to be with the Prophet, to be with Allah. You will experience Fana … you will vanish, and He will appear in you.
- Sheykh Maulana Nazim Adil al-Hakkani
As-salamu aleikum,
Sh. Hisham is speaking about sending jinns by Sh. Abdul Kerim to make people afraid. In what kind of context do I have to understand this?
BismillahirRahmanirRahim
Salamu’alaykum,
The ‘lies’ context
I ask this because someone above (Suleyman) was referring to a Michigan mureed who suffered from this and that Sh. Abdul Kerim solved this? I remember a video of Sh. Hisham that he said that people suffering from jinn have to be left alone, which I considered as strange, especially if there’s the baraka of Sulatan Al Awliyyah to handle is. How is Sh. Abdul Kerim looking to this?
BismillahirRahmanirRahim
Salamu’alaykum,
I have seen Seyh Abdul Kerm help many people with all sorts of problems. He never turns anyone away and helps as much as he can, he takes support from Seyh Mevlana and direction in that matter. But he doesn’t do what people are accusing him of.
Alaykum Salam,
Thanks for the clarification.
Sheykh Abdul Kerim says it is forbidden for his murids to speak about this topic. He has even forbidden us to use the word “j–n”, saying that even uttering the word invites these creatures. Whatever abilities Sheykh Abdul Kerim has, it comes from the permission and himmet of our Sultan. Thus, as a true Sheykh, when someone comes to him with a problem, worldly or spiritual, he is able to solve it. As for you and I, we do not have this knowledge, thus we should stay out of discussing it. And to the one in Michigan, definitely he does not have this knowledge or this power, and so he should definitely close his mouth and stop making false allegations that anyone who has sat with Sheykh Abdul Kerim for even five minutes can disprove.
Mesut, it is quite commendable that you have taken the words of Shaykh Abdal Kerim seriously enough not to even write the word “Jinn” – it would be even more so if you would take the Sultan’s word about “not responding to the attacks” just as serious – According to the Sultan the one in Michigan is supported by GrandShaykh and Prophet (saw).
It would be even more commendable if you took the Sultan’s words in context, understood when they were uttered, and to whom they were directed.
Mashallah, can you explain the context and to whom? And are you saying Sultan will be pleased by this?
Shazad,
Why are you trying to muffle the voices who would defend Sheykh Abdul Kerim Effendi? Are you trying just as hard with emails and similar tactics that you employ here to silence the attackers from Michigan?
Rehan, let shazad do what he wants.
He will pay for what he’s doing, despite his rhetorical misdirection and tactical wordplay.
He’s on the wrong side, and he has his shaytanic job to do. And he’s doing it well.
But he’s playing with Allah’s beloved ones. So, his fate is sealed.
assalaamalaikum, i am dr.naseeruddin mujahid from hyderabad india.
i had met sheikh effendi when he came here and was lucky to discover what a great man he is.
its obvious that what hashim kabbani is doing is just a jelous act and geebat. he is doing nothing but trying tocut roots of islam . we already have so much firkha from tabliq and other jamaats that his act is just not tolerable…..may allah give his guidance.
Salaamu Alaikum Wr Wb
BismillahHirRahmanNirRahim
Destur Meded
Ya Shazad, this doesn’t mean Shaikh Hisham can attack, and for others to remain silent, also he is the Shaikh of America yes we know this, so to is Shaikh Abdul Kerim which fellow brothers here have proven, so yes i agree do not lower yourselves to mock one another (murid upon murid and Khalifa upon Khalifa)
So really where are you leading with this ? Also this was addressed to the person of Paksitan, we all know who this is, so really this video is voided in this events of today. As Shaikh Abdul Kerim is authorised and he is not going against anyone. Look into the time and reason of why Sultan made this speech.
Allah Hafiz
Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim
Please check out Today’s suhbah from Mawlana Shaykh Hisham and he said that he is sorry if he said anything wrong and has respects and loves Shaykh Abdul Kerim and the Main important thing is to have Unity in the Tariqah. That’s all. Also, Shaykh Hisham says that he is older than Shaykh Abdul Kerim, so respects has to be given in just that term that you have to respect your elders. Also, Mawlana said that Shaykh Abdul Kerim and the group is welcome at any time to come and see Shaykh Hisham like they used to before. So The main thing is to have Unity, To be one. Our main goal is Mawlana Shaykh Nazim, he is the Sultan, He is our Shaykh, our guide, our light, Mawlana Shaykh Nazim is everything to us! So lets concentrate on the Sultan.
The suhbah is at http://www.livestream.com/sufilive
Ma’salaama
A muhib of Mawlana Shaykh Nazim (May Allah give him long life)
BismillahirRahmanirRahim
From my quick skim, it is another day, and another “sohbet” attacking Sh Abdul Kerim and promoting himself. Any parts which are relevant to what you said?
Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim
There was no slandering of any sort today and was actually Shaykh Hisham saying publically that he respects Shaykh Abdul Kerim and loves him. Lets be optimistic about this and hope that all of us can be One body! Following the ways of Ottomans and the Sunnah of the Prophet (s) and his Sahaba’s (r). Shaykh Hisham was inviting you to come and see him. So May Allah (swt) bless Shaykh Abdul Kerim and Shaykh Hisham! Ameen
I said my piece and that is that! What you want to do is up to you!
I still have my respects to all and thats what matters.
Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim
Actually, Mawlana Shaykh Hisham actually said last weekend on Saturday that I apologise if I called anyone Abu Lahab and may Allah (swt) forgive us. The belief I have is that what ever Mawlana has said, there is a wisdom and a reason behind it. As nothing happens without the Will of Allah (swt).
Now, I might be changing the subject a little bit but I remember when Mawlana Shaykh Adnan (s) (Shaykh Hisham’s brother) came to London St Anne’s Dergah in 1997 and said that if you want to make Mawlana Shaykh Nazim happy with you, you must make Shaykh Hisham happy with you, then Mawlana Shaykh Nazim will be happy with you. Look at how many people are serving Shaykh Hisham across the world from America, UK, Indonesia, Malaysia and many other countries. Why are they working for Shaykh Hisham? to serve Mawlana Shaykh Nazim (q). Everything Shaykh Hisham has done for the tariqah has not been for himself but only for MAWLANA SHAYKH NAZIM (q). His whole life has been for the Sultanu`l Awliyaa! Many people have said that they cant tell the difference between Shaykh Hisham and Mawlana Shaykh Nazim as they both look soo similar in physical appearance. When people see Shaykh Hisham, they see Mawlana Shaykh Nazim in him. So how can we start cursing Shaykh Hisham after the efforts he has done for this Tariqah? And also those who are cursing Shaykh Hisham, remember that Shaykh Hisham is older than most of you and you are talking like you are older than him and know all secret knowledges. You know nothing compared to these High Awliyaa!!
BismillahirRahmanirRahim
I cant find any apology yet, in the meantime I am putting up Seyh Abdul Kerim Effendi’s sohbet from last night, its very important. Then we can talk about it further..
BismillahirRahmanirRahim
selamun aleykum.
How many Mawlanas do we have in our tarikat?
correct me if i’m wrong but i was told that there is only 1 mawlana and that is Sheykh Mawlana Muhammad Nazim qs.
sometimes people mentioned mawlana said this, mawlana said that and at the end of it, they said its NOT Mawlana Sheykh Nazim but some other sheykhs in our tarikat that they’re quoting/talking about.
its come to the point that whenever there is mention of Mawlana, i have to get clarification whether its Sheykh Mawlana Muhammad Nazim or the other two sheykhs that ‘goes’ by that title.
sorry to go off topic but this is quite irritating for me – almost as much as someone calling me ‘sheykh’ when i have repeatedly told them not to.
seems nowadays everyone is calling each other ‘sheykh’ – its just too much like patting each other on the backs and stroking each other’s egos to me and being a part of this is not what i need right now.
Salaamu Alaikum Wr Wb
BismillahHirRahmanNirRahim
MaShaAllah lovely conversation between Sultan and the two brothers (Shaikh Adnan and Shaikh Hisham) all praising one another.
Salaamu Alaikum Wr Wb
BismillahHirRahmanNirRahim
Alhamdulilah dua’s been answered!!! The apology is there so Alhamdulilah we can look forward, no more looking back. InshaAllah this ends here and blessings to be open from this day on forth InshaAllah
Allah Hafiz
Oh Shazad, once again coming to create confusion and sow argument where it is not necessary. As i already said, this is not really a necessary discussion with all that is going on, and there is no need for mureeds to be arguing over this matter. You and Lilly are right. So are those who disagree with you. Khalas.
Do you have a life away from your computer screen and keyboard? Just askin’?
Yes, they were both. I am not claiming to be ummi, but the ideals and characteristics of being an ummi, I do admire. One of which is not focused on questioning others with arrogant questions such as ‘proofs’ and ‘sources’.
If you don’t understand the quote from Mevlana below and my short comment above, which you responded to, please let me know.