Comments on: Umar Lee on RIM: Rand Institute Muslims – Point 1 http://www.yursil.com/blog/2009/01/umar-lee-on-rim-rand-institute-muslims-point-1/ islam, muslims, history, excerpts, life Sat, 31 Dec 2011 04:37:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: anisa http://www.yursil.com/blog/2009/01/umar-lee-on-rim-rand-institute-muslims-point-1/#comment-37864 anisa Sun, 25 Jan 2009 22:48:29 +0000 http://www.yursil.com/blog/?p=1620#comment-37864 Problem with Umar is that he seems to think that nobody except himself is Muslim enough! If you have higher education and don´t want to reduce islam to a political movement - there must be something wrong with you and your iman! Problem with Umar is that he seems to think that nobody except himself is Muslim enough! If you have higher education and don´t want to reduce islam to a political movement – there must be something wrong with you and your iman!

]]> By: » Yursil responds (point 1, point 2) to Um … Talk Islam http://www.yursil.com/blog/2009/01/umar-lee-on-rim-rand-institute-muslims-point-1/#comment-37791 » Yursil responds (point 1, point 2) to Um … Talk Islam Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:20:13 +0000 http://www.yursil.com/blog/?p=1620#comment-37791 [...] responds (point 1, point 2) to Umar Lee’s “RIM” post. If you missed the earlier discussion here at [...] [WORDPRESS HASHCASH] The comment's server IP (208.97.135.5) doesn't match the comment's URL host IP () and so is spam. [...] responds (point 1, point 2) to Umar Lee’s “RIM” post. If you missed the earlier discussion here at [...]

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]]> By: yursil http://www.yursil.com/blog/2009/01/umar-lee-on-rim-rand-institute-muslims-point-1/#comment-37788 yursil Mon, 19 Jan 2009 15:50:17 +0000 http://www.yursil.com/blog/?p=1620#comment-37788 BismillahirRahmanirRahim Salamu'alaykum, <blockquote>Both have ended up occupied and destroyed now, the Chechens possibly more than the Palestinians, and the chehcens were pretty much done before the wahabis were significant there.</blockquote> This is an odd view of history, the Chechans had an established government, successfully driven back a world super power, and were ready to rebuild when the Wahabis came in and created unending fitnah. Modernist political philosophies are wrong, but the Chechan resistance was not a modern 'Islamic' political philosophy. It was Aslan Maskhadov's military leadership which won significant *victories* against the superpower of Russia. It was with those victories that he defeated numerous challengers to his rightful place of leadership. But the fundamental problem is that people don't know how to submit to authority, whether it be Turks or Chechans or Palestinians. In the case of Hamas, it is compounded with the case of people not knowing how to command authority to be victorious. BismillahirRahmanirRahim
Salamu’alaykum,

Both have ended up occupied and destroyed now, the Chechens possibly more than the Palestinians, and the chehcens were pretty much done before the wahabis were significant there.

This is an odd view of history, the Chechans had an established government, successfully driven back a world super power, and were ready to rebuild when the Wahabis came in and created unending fitnah.

Modernist political philosophies are wrong, but the Chechan resistance was not a modern ‘Islamic’ political philosophy. It was Aslan Maskhadov’s military leadership which won significant *victories* against the superpower of Russia. It was with those victories that he defeated numerous challengers to his rightful place of leadership.

But the fundamental problem is that people don’t know how to submit to authority, whether it be Turks or Chechans or Palestinians. In the case of Hamas, it is compounded with the case of people not knowing how to command authority to be victorious.

]]> By: Hassan http://www.yursil.com/blog/2009/01/umar-lee-on-rim-rand-institute-muslims-point-1/#comment-37785 Hassan Mon, 19 Jan 2009 14:24:19 +0000 http://www.yursil.com/blog/?p=1620#comment-37785 Assalamu alaykum again brother. I support you in your disgust with the Arab nationalists who fought the Ottoman Khilafa. However, apart from suicide operations, - I find it hard to reconcile your praise of Aslan Maskhadov - rahimAllah, & the Chechens and your criticism of Hamas. Both have ended up occupied and destroyed now, the Chechens possibly more than the Palestinians, and the chehcens were pretty much done before the wahabis were significant there. IF, and this is a genuine IF, modernist political philosophies are wrong for Hamas, they are also wrong for Aslan Maskhadov and his "establishment of the independent Chechen *Republic*" as the "third *President* of Chechnya by a *free democratic presidential election* under the aegis of the OSCE (Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe)" which LATER introduced "islamic law" by "popular support"? here: http://www.yursil.com/blog/2009/01/chechen-president-aslan-maskhadov-at-the-international-islamic-unity-conference/ Assalamu alaykum again brother. I support you in your disgust with the Arab nationalists who fought the Ottoman Khilafa. However, apart from suicide operations, – I find it hard to reconcile your praise of Aslan Maskhadov – rahimAllah, & the Chechens and your criticism of Hamas. Both have ended up occupied and destroyed now, the Chechens possibly more than the Palestinians, and the chehcens were pretty much done before the wahabis were significant there.

IF, and this is a genuine IF, modernist political philosophies are wrong for Hamas, they are also wrong for Aslan Maskhadov and his “establishment of the independent Chechen *Republic*” as the “third *President* of Chechnya by a *free democratic presidential election* under the aegis of the OSCE (Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe)” which LATER introduced “islamic law” by “popular support”?

here:
http://www.yursil.com/blog/2009/01/chechen-president-aslan-maskhadov-at-the-international-islamic-unity-conference/

]]> By: yursil http://www.yursil.com/blog/2009/01/umar-lee-on-rim-rand-institute-muslims-point-1/#comment-37782 yursil Mon, 19 Jan 2009 13:25:06 +0000 http://www.yursil.com/blog/?p=1620#comment-37782 BismillahirRahmanirRahim Salamu'alaykum, The level of hypocrisy in this link by Abdur Rahman is not too hard to see. Where were people like him when fighting against the Ottoman Caliphate? BismillahirRahmanirRahim
Salamu’alaykum,

The level of hypocrisy in this link by Abdur Rahman is not too hard to see. Where were people like him when fighting against the Ottoman Caliphate?

]]> By: AbdurRahman http://www.yursil.com/blog/2009/01/umar-lee-on-rim-rand-institute-muslims-point-1/#comment-37779 AbdurRahman Mon, 19 Jan 2009 06:45:28 +0000 http://www.yursil.com/blog/?p=1620#comment-37779 The Obligation of Supporting the Muslims in Gaza and the Impermissibility of Deserting Them Abu Muhammad Al-Maqdisi (Arabic Link: http://www.tawhed.ws/r?i=gazalove) [moderated: pasted stuff cut] The Obligation of Supporting the Muslims in Gaza and the Impermissibility of Deserting Them
Abu Muhammad Al-Maqdisi

(Arabic Link: http://www.tawhed.ws/r?i=gazalove)
[moderated: pasted stuff cut]

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