Comments on: Maulana Rumi (R) on Karbala, Ashura, Shia practices

By: Ali

Ali — Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:18:23 +0000

I agree with brother Ahsan – it is the same point Ali Shariati made. It’s not the crying that is the problem – it is not acting as Husain did. Husain is alive while we are dead. Black Shiaism vs Red Shiaism (Silent Mourning vs Speaking against injustice)

Al-hamdulilah we look to the revolutions around the world and people are corming out of their dormant sleep

By: Arsalan

Arsalan — Sun, 06 Feb 2011 23:24:00 +0000

Excellent answer by afshaan..

By: islam

islam — Wed, 15 Dec 2010 17:43:58 +0000

thoroughly enjoyed reading this wonderful extract from the Masnavi of the amazing Mawlana Rumi, what a fantastic poet and personality he is!
this post about Karbala is a real eye-opener to the reality of martyrdom – especially when Mawlana Rumi talks of the death for the martyr being his freedom.. subhanallah.

excellent post brother, very relevant and much-needed at this moment in time!

By: Afshaan

Afshaan — Tue, 14 Dec 2010 09:22:06 +0000

I’m not sure how this poem refutes the claim that Sufism and Shia-ism is not linked! And why one would do research to try and ensure that history does not show they are linked.

Not all Shia remember the Martydom of Imam Hussain (a.s) in the same way. It is clear Rumi sees death as release to a higher place and one should not mourn but be happy.

Each to their own!

What is clear that this poem upholds the Shia principles of the status of Imam Hussain and the Prophet’s family. Alhamudillah they are indeed a holy family and he was the Prince of all Princes.

This is a fantastic poem showing how much Rumi respected the status of the Ahlul Bayt and his rememberence of Imam Hussain was happiness that he was released from the pains of battle.

Also poetry can be interpreted as you wish, it is not for you to tell us what this poem is saying, that’s the beauty of poetry!

By: khurram khan

khurram khan — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 05:31:28 +0000

Read following article on shai mourn in islam

http://khurramjadoononline.blogspot.com/2009/01/islam-and-shia-mourn.html

By: yursil

yursil — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 05:36:27 +0000

ahsan, I don’t really want to get into the debate about Maulana’s text, I think it speaks for itself:

And if thou hast not (this) knowledge, go, weep for thyself, for thou art disbelieving in the removal (From this world to the next) and in the assembly at the Last Judgment.

Mourn for thy corrupt heart and religion, for it (thy heart) sees naught but this old earth.

taking this to be some sort of worldly call to fight modern day Yazidi’s is a bit backwards.. and is a manifestation of seeing ‘naught but this old earth’, a problem some groups seem to fall into one way or the other.

By: yursil

yursil — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 20:31:06 +0000

BismillahirRahmanirRahim
Salamu’alaykum,

Certainly your opinion to hold… it isn’t shared by me, as right below I believe Maulana Rumi (R) is very critical of the mourning of an event that has passed so long ago:

Have ye been asleep till now, that (only) now ye have rent your garments in mourning?

Then O sleepers, mourn for yourselves, or this heavy slumber is an evil death.

By: ahsan

ahsan — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 20:23:34 +0000

In my opinion, Maulana does not attend to the question of mourning y shias. And he is not at all critical of mourning. He is lamenting that the real message in Hussains sacrifice has been lost. A lot of shia scholars have debated this and in many parts of the world including Iran, Karbala is reverned and celebrated as the victory of truth and righteousness. Its only out of the love of HOly Prophet and the human tragedy that makes one weep and mourn. As Maulana rightly tries to tell us and the same message has been given by Ali Shariati that HUssain is alive but we are dead. His battle cry still echoes but we are deaf and that HUssain does not need mourners but want followers who rally under his flag”alam” and fight the Yazids of today.

By: jinnzaman

jinnzaman — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 00:28:03 +0000

Assalamu alaikum

Excellent post.

masalama

By: Abdussalaam

Abdussalaam — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:17:19 +0000

Salaam Sidi Yursil!

This is an interesting post indeed. I’m curious how Nakşibendis commemorate Ashura. Could you enlighten me please?

By: Irving

Irving — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 03:07:13 +0000

A most excellent post and a worthy point. Indeed, for the true believer death is nothing to be feared or mourned. It is the lover joining the Beloved.

Ya Haqq!

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By: Abdur Rahman

Abdur Rahman — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 09:52:35 +0000

Salaams Yursil,

Ma sha Allah. A great post, as usual! Allah!

Abdur Rahman

By: mujahid7ia

mujahid7ia — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:33:11 +0000

Great line: “A royal spirit escaped from a prison : why should we rend our garments and how should we gnaw our hands?”

By: Alex

Alex — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 03:45:04 +0000

MashaAllah.

By: yursil

yursil — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 02:46:03 +0000

BismillahirRahmanirRahim
Alaykumsalaam,

Not my research at all, only found due to the work of our Hoja! Unfortunately the formatting doesn’t permit double blockquotes which would have been ideal, as the current blockquoted segments are supposed to be that way.. and how I saw them in the text. The rest, I will separate with some dashes inshaAllah it will be sufficient.

By: visitor

visitor — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 02:39:20 +0000

Salaam – excellent research/post! I think that you may need to fix the formatting of this entry, as only two lines appear as indented “quotes”, whereas you may have intended for the entire passage to appear as an indented quote.