<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
	xmlns:itunes="http://www.itunes.com/dtds/podcast-1.0.dtd"
xmlns:rawvoice="http://www.rawvoice.com/rawvoiceRssModule/"
	>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Enough With the Cult Talk</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.yursil.com/blog/2007/10/enough-with-the-cult-talk/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.yursil.com/blog/2007/10/enough-with-the-cult-talk/</link>
	<description>islam, muslims, history, excerpts, life</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Sat, 31 Dec 2011 04:37:00 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: yursil</title>
		<link>http://www.yursil.com/blog/2007/10/enough-with-the-cult-talk/#comment-32346</link>
		<dc:creator>yursil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 01:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.yursil.com/blog/2007/10/enough-with-the-cult-talk/#comment-32346</guid>
		<description>BismillahirRahmanirRaheem

36:21
    Follow those who ask of you no fee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BismillahirRahmanirRaheem</p>
<p>36:21<br />
    Follow those who ask of you no fee.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Zaazaan</title>
		<link>http://www.yursil.com/blog/2007/10/enough-with-the-cult-talk/#comment-31482</link>
		<dc:creator>Zaazaan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.yursil.com/blog/2007/10/enough-with-the-cult-talk/#comment-31482</guid>
		<description>I&#039;m sorry but that whole quote about the shaykhs seems really exaggerated and suspect, where in the Qur&#039;aan and Sunnah is this exactly?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry but that whole quote about the shaykhs seems really exaggerated and suspect, where in the Qur&#8217;aan and Sunnah is this exactly?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: MR</title>
		<link>http://www.yursil.com/blog/2007/10/enough-with-the-cult-talk/#comment-31313</link>
		<dc:creator>MR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 22:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.yursil.com/blog/2007/10/enough-with-the-cult-talk/#comment-31313</guid>
		<description>I&#039;m actually taking Islam with Prof. Chittick at my school.  He&#039;s very smart.  Laymen Muslims can&#039;t mess with him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m actually taking Islam with Prof. Chittick at my school.  He&#8217;s very smart.  Laymen Muslims can&#8217;t mess with him.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: sophister</title>
		<link>http://www.yursil.com/blog/2007/10/enough-with-the-cult-talk/#comment-31308</link>
		<dc:creator>sophister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 19:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.yursil.com/blog/2007/10/enough-with-the-cult-talk/#comment-31308</guid>
		<description>He is a well known perennialist - that is why I was asking because I have read other writings of his in which he is very explicit about following classical Islam and its shariah. I missed the last paragraph where he mentions Sharia explicitly, sorry about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He is a well known perennialist &#8211; that is why I was asking because I have read other writings of his in which he is very explicit about following classical Islam and its shariah. I missed the last paragraph where he mentions Sharia explicitly, sorry about that.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: yursil</title>
		<link>http://www.yursil.com/blog/2007/10/enough-with-the-cult-talk/#comment-31303</link>
		<dc:creator>yursil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.yursil.com/blog/2007/10/enough-with-the-cult-talk/#comment-31303</guid>
		<description>Salamu&#039;alaikum,

I am uncertain as to his specific position at the time or even now, but its very clear that at least in this text, he is speaking very clearly to Sharia, mentioning it personally twice and in quotation twice.

-Yursil</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salamu&#8217;alaikum,</p>
<p>I am uncertain as to his specific position at the time or even now, but its very clear that at least in this text, he is speaking very clearly to Sharia, mentioning it personally twice and in quotation twice.</p>
<p>-Yursil</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: sophister</title>
		<link>http://www.yursil.com/blog/2007/10/enough-with-the-cult-talk/#comment-31301</link>
		<dc:creator>sophister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.yursil.com/blog/2007/10/enough-with-the-cult-talk/#comment-31301</guid>
		<description>While I generally agree with what you are saying here, I had a tangential question about William Chittick and perennialism. He is talking about the Scale of Law - but perennialism talks about scale of law as encompassing all mystical paths (christian/judaic mysticism, hindu mysticism, etc) towards God, so what Scale of law is he referring to here. Is this Sharia? Or is this any of God&#039;s law?  I am also curious as to know whether this writing was before or after his advancement of perennialism as an acceptable philosophy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I generally agree with what you are saying here, I had a tangential question about William Chittick and perennialism. He is talking about the Scale of Law &#8211; but perennialism talks about scale of law as encompassing all mystical paths (christian/judaic mysticism, hindu mysticism, etc) towards God, so what Scale of law is he referring to here. Is this Sharia? Or is this any of God&#8217;s law?  I am also curious as to know whether this writing was before or after his advancement of perennialism as an acceptable philosophy.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: amal</title>
		<link>http://www.yursil.com/blog/2007/10/enough-with-the-cult-talk/#comment-31299</link>
		<dc:creator>amal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 12:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.yursil.com/blog/2007/10/enough-with-the-cult-talk/#comment-31299</guid>
		<description>spirituality has nothing to do with cults , but  it is common for the leaders to abuse their power in being spiritual sheikhs , you may get  offended by this but is very common , speaking from experience here .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>spirituality has nothing to do with cults , but  it is common for the leaders to abuse their power in being spiritual sheikhs , you may get  offended by this but is very common , speaking from experience here .</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Cults &#38; Labels &#171; Writeous Sister Speaks</title>
		<link>http://www.yursil.com/blog/2007/10/enough-with-the-cult-talk/#comment-31286</link>
		<dc:creator>Cults &#38; Labels &#171; Writeous Sister Speaks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.yursil.com/blog/2007/10/enough-with-the-cult-talk/#comment-31286</guid>
		<description>[...] 2007 Cults &amp;&#160;Labels Posted by Aaminah under Islam , Suluk , Ummah Issues &#160;  I read an interesting post this morning at brother Yursil&#8217;s blog on the matter of the word &#8220;cult&#8221; being [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 2007 Cults &amp;&nbsp;Labels Posted by Aaminah under Islam , Suluk , Ummah Issues &nbsp;  I read an interesting post this morning at brother Yursil&#8217;s blog on the matter of the word &#8220;cult&#8221; being [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Aaminah</title>
		<link>http://www.yursil.com/blog/2007/10/enough-with-the-cult-talk/#comment-31271</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaminah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.yursil.com/blog/2007/10/enough-with-the-cult-talk/#comment-31271</guid>
		<description>Asalaamu alaikum.

Yeah, even when the actual word cult is not mentioned, it is the underlying attitude. I think this is cultural conditioning; to alot of Americans, Islam in general is a &quot;cult&quot;. I have heard/read it referred that way many times. Of course these people also consider &quot;deviant&quot; forms of Christianity (Mormonism, Rastafarian, etc.) cults. And yet no one sees the real cult of personality that is present in how Catholics view the Pope and how Protestants practically worship the words of Paul (who was not a prophet) as akin to the words of God Himself. So, to some with a Western upbringing, steeped in a belief that Christianity is the only way and only begrudgingly &quot;accepting&quot; Jews, pretty much anything else is considered cultish. Then, when they finally get past that to accept Islam, their limited knowledge and understanding of this deen and its depth leads them to continue the same thought patterns. Perhaps for those raised &quot;in Islam&quot; that see tasawuff that way it is a different reason; difficulty separating their culture practices from Islam and genuinely wanting to be able to do so (throwing the baby out with the bathwater, so to speak), still being unknowlegeable, and sometimes being ashamed of these traditions continuing to exist in the &quot;modern&quot; world where they feel pressured to propagate a &quot;rational&quot; belief system. 

Ultimately, it all comes down to a simple case of self-centered belief that &quot;I know what is right&quot; and not being willing to admit to still being a student and needing a teacher. Modern life is so much about independence, free will, personal validation etc. Tasawuff recognizes inter-dependence, submission to Allah, and the breaking down of selfishness and self-centered desires. So to those who view their own desires as the most important, they will not be able to understand why others would choose self-denial and admission of our limitations. They are not able to understand needing a teacher because they think there is nothing they need to be taught. In this way, to them, &quot;following&quot; someone else is a huge taboo. But as Umm Layth says, for those of us who recognize the work of scholars and teachers on the path, we owe them much for their work and ability to impart some of their knowledge to us so that inshaAllah we can also draw closer to Allah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Asalaamu alaikum.</p>
<p>Yeah, even when the actual word cult is not mentioned, it is the underlying attitude. I think this is cultural conditioning; to alot of Americans, Islam in general is a &#8220;cult&#8221;. I have heard/read it referred that way many times. Of course these people also consider &#8220;deviant&#8221; forms of Christianity (Mormonism, Rastafarian, etc.) cults. And yet no one sees the real cult of personality that is present in how Catholics view the Pope and how Protestants practically worship the words of Paul (who was not a prophet) as akin to the words of God Himself. So, to some with a Western upbringing, steeped in a belief that Christianity is the only way and only begrudgingly &#8220;accepting&#8221; Jews, pretty much anything else is considered cultish. Then, when they finally get past that to accept Islam, their limited knowledge and understanding of this deen and its depth leads them to continue the same thought patterns. Perhaps for those raised &#8220;in Islam&#8221; that see tasawuff that way it is a different reason; difficulty separating their culture practices from Islam and genuinely wanting to be able to do so (throwing the baby out with the bathwater, so to speak), still being unknowlegeable, and sometimes being ashamed of these traditions continuing to exist in the &#8220;modern&#8221; world where they feel pressured to propagate a &#8220;rational&#8221; belief system. </p>
<p>Ultimately, it all comes down to a simple case of self-centered belief that &#8220;I know what is right&#8221; and not being willing to admit to still being a student and needing a teacher. Modern life is so much about independence, free will, personal validation etc. Tasawuff recognizes inter-dependence, submission to Allah, and the breaking down of selfishness and self-centered desires. So to those who view their own desires as the most important, they will not be able to understand why others would choose self-denial and admission of our limitations. They are not able to understand needing a teacher because they think there is nothing they need to be taught. In this way, to them, &#8220;following&#8221; someone else is a huge taboo. But as Umm Layth says, for those of us who recognize the work of scholars and teachers on the path, we owe them much for their work and ability to impart some of their knowledge to us so that inshaAllah we can also draw closer to Allah.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Umm Layth</title>
		<link>http://www.yursil.com/blog/2007/10/enough-with-the-cult-talk/#comment-31265</link>
		<dc:creator>Umm Layth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 08:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.yursil.com/blog/2007/10/enough-with-the-cult-talk/#comment-31265</guid>
		<description>For our ulema to spend so much time focusing on us, trying to educate us etc., so that we can better our own lives, takes complete devotion to Him, Ta&#039;ala. We owe them more than we can imagine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For our ulema to spend so much time focusing on us, trying to educate us etc., so that we can better our own lives, takes complete devotion to Him, Ta&#8217;ala. We owe them more than we can imagine.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

