Daily Star: Muslim group urges togetherness at forum 7/2/07
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By Amy L. Ashbridge
Staff Writer
ONEONTA _ The world is much like the altar cloth used at the Unitarian Universalist Society of Oneonta, a representative from a Muslim center in Sidney said Srunday.
“They are all interwoven,” said member Lokman Hoca. “It is very easy to destroy, but it is very difficult (to put back together).”
He continued, “Our intent is to bring people together.”
Several people from the Osmanli Hakkani Nakshibendi Sufi Center of Sidney Center came to the society Sunday. The Oneonta Interfaith Committee sponsored the presentation.
“We have been created differently so we can seek education and learn from each other,” Hoca said.
Hoca spoke about the center and about the Sufi order. Hoca is a vekil, which he said means representative.
The Sufi order is “a higher level of (traditionalism),” Hoca said.
He added the group is not combative.
“What we have to combat is ourselves,” Hoca said. “Our jihad is against ourselves.”
Seven people from the center came for the presentation, which also included sacred music.
About 20 people from the community attended the free presentation at 3 p.m.
Ric Chrislip of the interfaith committee said he invited the group because of the members spirit and because he thought they would have much to offer the community. He and his wife, Tina, visited the center last fall.
“They are wonderful people,” Chrislip said at the start of the presentation.
Many people don?t know much about Muslims, Hoca said. He said that happens because people only know what they are taught by others, and those doing the teaching may have limited knowledge.
“The whole world is preparing for war,” Hoca said. “We are believers, and we are preparing the world for the everlasting peace.”
Christianity and Islam have much in common, Hoca said.
“The traditions that we have in Islam are very, very similar in Christianity,” he said.
Hoca said the center is about half men and half women. Some center residents work in the area, he said, and most of the children attend public schools.
“We are not secluding ourselves from the community,” Hoca said. “We have to participate fully in the community.”
Hoca said that participation can come about in many ways, but the members wish “to serve the community.” People at the center have come from a variety of countries, Hoca said. He is from Singapore; others are from Germany, Russia, Turkey and the United States. The community has about 50 members.








July 3rd, 2007 - 8:59 pm
I like the “very, very” that precedes the “similar”. But, I’ll spoil the party by saying that Islam and Kufr are like East and West. I wish this speaker, whoever he is, would have some goddam spine and say, “yes, we are different”. Society in the ‘West’ (at least in theory) is ‘open’, and tolerant of dissent, be it religious, political or otherwise. Like Sh Hamza once said, dissent is “as American as apple pie”. There’s no need for us to surrender the rights that we are given by others, be them in thought or deed.
July 4th, 2007 - 3:58 am
as-salamu’alaikum Omar,
When building bridges its important to recognize similarities not emphasize differences. This is, of course, important for people who are building a real Islamic community with actual integration with people of other faiths. Speaking to people at the level that they need to be hearing is a critical component of being a scholar and saint.
And if there are only three people who have a spine in this world, Lukman Hoja is included in them.
July 4th, 2007 - 4:48 am
BismillahhirRahmannirRahhim.
selam aleykum Yursil Bhai,
Just want to say that your blog is excellent and I agree with you totally!
Our salaams to Shyekh Effendi and everybody there!
Halit & family
Biz Osmaliyiz!
Pek Senliyiz!
BTW Just wondering - is Islam tolerant to dissent?
July 4th, 2007 - 9:59 am
BismillahirRahmanirRaheem
Walaikumassalaam Halit Bhai!
I hope and pray all is well with you and your family!
From my limited knowledge, Islam is tolerant to dissent in the way that the Prophet (Sallalahu’alaiheewassalam) told us one of the greatest acts is to speak a truthful word to an unjust ruler. This is the one door to dissent.
However, the style dissent which Omar is referring which is basically unqualified people giving opinions to everyone and seeking to create fitnah is not Islamic.
So the permission to advise a ruler has to be balanced with the utmost respect which is given to those in authority, this is established throughout the Quran and Hadith.
I hope this is addressing your question!