Comments on: American Islam and the Marginalization of South Asian Culture – Part 4 http://www.yursil.com/blog/2007/06/american-islam-and-the-marginalization-of-south-asian-culture-part-4/ A Traditional Muslim's Blog: Reality > Theory Sat, 20 Mar 2010 14:28:29 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: the "arabization" of south asian muslims, and its detrimental effects - Forums - Islamica Community http://www.yursil.com/blog/2007/06/american-islam-and-the-marginalization-of-south-asian-culture-part-4/#comment-30089 the "arabization" of south asian muslims, and its detrimental effects - Forums - Islamica Community Tue, 11 Sep 2007 06:22:34 +0000 http://www.yursil.com/blog/2007/06/american-islam-and-the-marginalization-of-south-asian-culture-part-4/#comment-30089 [...] "arabization" of south asian muslims, and its detrimental effects Mind, Body, Soul » Blog Archive » American Islam and the Marginalization of South Asian Culture – Pa… [...]

]]> By: South Asian-Americans’ Self Hatred « Ali Eteraz http://www.yursil.com/blog/2007/06/american-islam-and-the-marginalization-of-south-asian-culture-part-4/#comment-28063 South Asian-Americans’ Self Hatred « Ali Eteraz Fri, 27 Jul 2007 08:48:44 +0000 http://www.yursil.com/blog/2007/06/american-islam-and-the-marginalization-of-south-asian-culture-part-4/#comment-28063 [...] Self Hatred Published July 27th, 2007 Islam Yursil writes a wonderful post about American-Islam and the marginalization of South Asian culture. The Wahabi/Salafi movement, and the creation of ideologies spawned from it, have only furthered [...] [...] Self Hatred Published July 27th, 2007 Islam Yursil writes a wonderful post about American-Islam and the marginalization of South Asian culture. The Wahabi/Salafi movement, and the creation of ideologies spawned from it, have only furthered [...]

]]> By: Very interesting http://www.yursil.com/blog/2007/06/american-islam-and-the-marginalization-of-south-asian-culture-part-4/#comment-26546 Very interesting Mon, 02 Jul 2007 03:54:26 +0000 http://www.yursil.com/blog/2007/06/american-islam-and-the-marginalization-of-south-asian-culture-part-4/#comment-26546 I wonder why and how then some traditionalist opt to marry Arab traditionalist sufis if in fact they feel they are being marginalized or arabinized in USA? Just wondering about that since I have seen that happne or is it because those Arabs have opted to adopt South Asian scholarship like the Deobandi tariqahs? I wonder why and how then some traditionalist opt to marry Arab traditionalist sufis if in fact they feel they are being marginalized or arabinized in USA? Just wondering about that since I have seen that happne or is it because those Arabs have opted to adopt South Asian scholarship like the Deobandi tariqahs?

]]> By: yursil http://www.yursil.com/blog/2007/06/american-islam-and-the-marginalization-of-south-asian-culture-part-4/#comment-26483 yursil Thu, 28 Jun 2007 19:53:31 +0000 http://www.yursil.com/blog/2007/06/american-islam-and-the-marginalization-of-south-asian-culture-part-4/#comment-26483 as-salamu'alaikum Fareez, Thank you for your comment. In fact, I apologize to you that I didn't mention Bengali's. I do consider them South Asian, and when I am speaking of India, I am speaking of the greater historical India which includes Kashmir, Pakistan, Bengal etc. as-salamu’alaikum Fareez,

Thank you for your comment. In fact, I apologize to you that I didn’t mention Bengali’s. I do consider them South Asian, and when I am speaking of India, I am speaking of the greater historical India which includes Kashmir, Pakistan, Bengal etc.

]]> By: fareez http://www.yursil.com/blog/2007/06/american-islam-and-the-marginalization-of-south-asian-culture-part-4/#comment-26482 fareez Thu, 28 Jun 2007 19:50:25 +0000 http://www.yursil.com/blog/2007/06/american-islam-and-the-marginalization-of-south-asian-culture-part-4/#comment-26482 masha Allah awesome piece!! I hope that all the tradtional "thinktanks" do read this and I would suggest fwding this to all said organizations. the only thing is i think the article implicitly defines south asian as indian/pakistani....yet on the section on how the sufis spread islam (eaton) it refers to bengal which seemed out of place to the argument as a whole....so speaking as a bengali that often gets left out of the whole Indo-pak discussions (and categorizations) usually i think there is a brushing over what exactly is "south asian" itself....i remember having a pakistani brother who is VERY prominent in the whole "traditional" scene tell me that bengalis aren't considered desi...yet no region contributed more in terms of grass-roots tassawuf, and many of the awliya from yemen settled there.... masha Allah awesome piece!! I hope that all the tradtional “thinktanks” do read this and I would suggest fwding this to all said organizations.

the only thing is i think the article implicitly defines south asian as indian/pakistani….yet on the section on how the sufis spread islam (eaton) it refers to bengal which seemed out of place to the argument as a whole….so speaking as a bengali that often gets left out of the whole Indo-pak discussions (and categorizations) usually i think there is a brushing over what exactly is “south asian” itself….i remember having a pakistani brother who is VERY prominent in the whole “traditional” scene tell me that bengalis aren’t considered desi…yet no region contributed more in terms of grass-roots tassawuf, and many of the awliya from yemen settled there….

]]> By: Mulla Nafs-e-Zakiya http://www.yursil.com/blog/2007/06/american-islam-and-the-marginalization-of-south-asian-culture-part-4/#comment-26456 Mulla Nafs-e-Zakiya Wed, 27 Jun 2007 18:46:37 +0000 http://www.yursil.com/blog/2007/06/american-islam-and-the-marginalization-of-south-asian-culture-part-4/#comment-26456 I am not sure if we will be able to speak openly about issues regarding Jamat ul Islamiya in here cause we all know that text based conversation can take a negative turn in less then a nano-second and causes rifts between, already divided ,ummah.... So do not think of this as an attack or even as a negative remark, but during research on the origins of Jamat Islamiya it was observed by neutral and casual researchers that their aqeeda in regards to "acts" of sahaba was not according to ahle sunnah and the greater understanding.( swad e azam). Their aqeeda in regards to sahabay ikraam as written out in great deal by Mawdudi hazretleri "smells" of rawafiddiya attitude. Keeping in mind that according to Ahle sunnah, prophets are "innocent" and sahaba are "protected". Abdullah Ibn Masood and one other sahabi whose name escapes me, called sahaba and their acts as "mahfooz" from scrutiny and maltreatment. so anyways, lets move on, I don't want to get into any argument, try to ignore what I said...and make dua for me to fix my inside asap. Two weeks ago a friend of mine 32 years of age was found dead in his car by cops on long island, only a week ago 29 years old friend went home from gym with me, he died in his sleep, and guess what Monday a co workers 21 years old daughter passed away in her house ....What is going on...dance of death all around.....? lets go back to our inner lives! I am not sure if we will be able to speak openly about issues regarding Jamat ul Islamiya in here cause we all know that text based conversation can take a negative turn in less then a nano-second and causes rifts between, already divided ,ummah….

So do not think of this as an attack or even as a negative remark, but during research on the origins of Jamat Islamiya it was observed by neutral and casual researchers that their aqeeda in regards to “acts” of sahaba was not according to ahle sunnah and the greater understanding.( swad e azam). Their aqeeda in regards to sahabay ikraam as written out in great deal by Mawdudi hazretleri “smells” of rawafiddiya attitude. Keeping in mind that according to Ahle sunnah, prophets are “innocent” and sahaba are “protected”. Abdullah Ibn Masood and one other sahabi whose name escapes me, called sahaba and their acts as “mahfooz” from scrutiny and maltreatment.

so anyways, lets move on, I don’t want to get into any argument, try to ignore what I said…and make dua for me to fix my inside asap.

Two weeks ago a friend of mine 32 years of age was found dead in his car by cops on long island, only a week ago 29 years old friend went home from gym with me, he died in his sleep, and guess what Monday a co workers 21 years old daughter passed away in her house ….What is going on…dance of death all around…..? lets go back to our inner lives!

]]> By: sophister http://www.yursil.com/blog/2007/06/american-islam-and-the-marginalization-of-south-asian-culture-part-4/#comment-26455 sophister Wed, 27 Jun 2007 17:47:03 +0000 http://www.yursil.com/blog/2007/06/american-islam-and-the-marginalization-of-south-asian-culture-part-4/#comment-26455 I agree there is nothing wrong w/Jamaat Islami, I have no issues w/them. I was suggesting that because of the influx of south asian immigrants who held Mawdudi in high esteem, this may be why we see less representation of traditional south asian scholarship here. I agree there is nothing wrong w/Jamaat Islami, I have no issues w/them. I was suggesting that because of the influx of south asian immigrants who held Mawdudi in high esteem, this may be why we see less representation of traditional south asian scholarship here.

]]> By: Aurangzeb http://www.yursil.com/blog/2007/06/american-islam-and-the-marginalization-of-south-asian-culture-part-4/#comment-26454 Aurangzeb Wed, 27 Jun 2007 17:24:15 +0000 http://www.yursil.com/blog/2007/06/american-islam-and-the-marginalization-of-south-asian-culture-part-4/#comment-26454 There is one mosque where I live that has loose ties to Jamaat-e-Islaami. I don't find anything wrong with it, it has attracted more converts than any other mosques and the Imam there is quite a jolly fellow. There is one mosque where I live that has loose ties to Jamaat-e-Islaami. I don’t find anything wrong with it, it has attracted more converts than any other mosques and the Imam there is quite a jolly fellow.

]]> By: sophister http://www.yursil.com/blog/2007/06/american-islam-and-the-marginalization-of-south-asian-culture-part-4/#comment-26453 sophister Wed, 27 Jun 2007 17:23:02 +0000 http://www.yursil.com/blog/2007/06/american-islam-and-the-marginalization-of-south-asian-culture-part-4/#comment-26453 I would not accuse ICNA of such things. I know that alot of them are jamat islami/mawdudites, but I would never call it a sect, or anything like that. It is sunni islam. I would not accuse ICNA of such things. I know that alot of them are jamat islami/mawdudites, but I would never call it a sect, or anything like that. It is sunni islam.

]]> By: Mulla Nafs-e-Zakiya http://www.yursil.com/blog/2007/06/american-islam-and-the-marginalization-of-south-asian-culture-part-4/#comment-26452 Mulla Nafs-e-Zakiya Wed, 27 Jun 2007 15:49:57 +0000 http://www.yursil.com/blog/2007/06/american-islam-and-the-marginalization-of-south-asian-culture-part-4/#comment-26452 according to some researchers, mawdudiya is a sect now with establish prophet hood-like qualities attributed to Mawdudi hazretleri. Did you also know that the name for mawdudiya in Americas is ICNA-Islamic Circle North America. Dar ul ullom Deoband research faculty head Mevlana Saeed Palanpuri sheikhulhadees has 10 CD long detailed lectures about this Mawdudiya fitna and its toxic effects on spiritual muslims and how it weakened the khilafat movement in India. according to some researchers, mawdudiya is a sect now with establish prophet hood-like qualities attributed to Mawdudi hazretleri. Did you also know that the name for mawdudiya in Americas is ICNA-Islamic Circle North America.

Dar ul ullom Deoband research faculty head Mevlana Saeed Palanpuri sheikhulhadees has 10 CD long detailed lectures about this Mawdudiya fitna and its toxic effects on spiritual muslims and how it weakened the khilafat movement in India.

]]> By: sophister http://www.yursil.com/blog/2007/06/american-islam-and-the-marginalization-of-south-asian-culture-part-4/#comment-26449 sophister Wed, 27 Jun 2007 15:23:27 +0000 http://www.yursil.com/blog/2007/06/american-islam-and-the-marginalization-of-south-asian-culture-part-4/#comment-26449 This was an excellent series. I wrote something very similar, with less concrete examples a few months ago. I dont believe this is directly the fault of arabized muslims, I believe it is in the character of the people who immigrated from South Asia to America, which I believe consisted mainly of mawdudites. This was an excellent series. I wrote something very similar, with less concrete examples a few months ago. I dont believe this is directly the fault of arabized muslims, I believe it is in the character of the people who immigrated from South Asia to America, which I believe consisted mainly of mawdudites.

]]> By: Mulla Nafs-e-Zakiya http://www.yursil.com/blog/2007/06/american-islam-and-the-marginalization-of-south-asian-culture-part-4/#comment-26448 Mulla Nafs-e-Zakiya Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:35:08 +0000 http://www.yursil.com/blog/2007/06/american-islam-and-the-marginalization-of-south-asian-culture-part-4/#comment-26448 Sallam Alykum: awesome article on the group psychology of the Colonized Asians! When a group of people are colonized, it de-spiritless-ize them. All these behavioral patterns and anthropological issues and search for new identity is an after effect...... Even Islam in America...from the beginning it has been popular in people who were slaves and when there is no more physical slavery in existence, the enslaved group still looks for extreme measures of affiliation...some in the form of Islamic cultural adoptions and some in the measures of animal-istic liberties, which is moral-less life style...... the asians were colonized....keep that in mind...they will now look for "reference" to place meaning into their empty lives....thats why there is so much conflict among muslims...clash of values! Mulla Nafs-e-Zakiya! Sallam Alykum:

awesome article on the group psychology of the Colonized Asians!

When a group of people are colonized, it de-spiritless-ize them. All these behavioral patterns and anthropological issues and search for new identity is an after effect……

Even Islam in America…from the beginning it has been popular in people who were slaves and when there is no more physical slavery in existence, the enslaved group still looks for extreme measures of affiliation…some in the form of Islamic cultural adoptions and some in the measures of animal-istic liberties, which is moral-less life style……

the asians were colonized….keep that in mind…they will now look for “reference” to place meaning into their empty lives….thats why there is so much conflict among muslims…clash of values!

Mulla Nafs-e-Zakiya!

]]> By: Aurangzeb http://www.yursil.com/blog/2007/06/american-islam-and-the-marginalization-of-south-asian-culture-part-4/#comment-26446 Aurangzeb Wed, 27 Jun 2007 09:42:06 +0000 http://www.yursil.com/blog/2007/06/american-islam-and-the-marginalization-of-south-asian-culture-part-4/#comment-26446 Shaykh Ahmad Sirhindi's name will live on, Imam Hujweri's name will live on, and Khwaja Chishti's name will live on. We don't need to fear that "arabization" will extinguish their memory. Many Indo-Pak Muslims are indebted to these and many other saints who caused the conversion of their forefathers. Indeed, the "tribe" I belong to converted to Islam during the 12th century under the influence of the saint Baba Farid Ganjshakar. Thus, he will always have a special place in my heart. Shaykh Ahmad Sirhindi’s name will live on, Imam Hujweri’s name will live on, and Khwaja Chishti’s name will live on. We don’t need to fear that “arabization” will extinguish their memory. Many Indo-Pak Muslims are indebted to these and many other saints who caused the conversion of their forefathers. Indeed, the “tribe” I belong to converted to Islam during the 12th century under the influence of the saint Baba Farid Ganjshakar. Thus, he will always have a special place in my heart.

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