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	<title>Comments on: Islam as a Natural State for Children</title>
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		<title>By: Tariyki</title>
		<link>http://www.yursil.com/blog/2005/10/172/#comment-27320</link>
		<dc:creator>Tariyki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 15:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Salaams:
Few people understand why the hadith are presented. We accept that fatir is and that is obvious, but as you look at the spirituality of the child you can begin to see why. Only if you understand this nature do you understand fatir.

Also know that everybody once had this state and it is forgotten. Astagfir Allaah.

In transliteration, there are 2 fatir, one is to break, and is used when you &quot;break your fast&quot;, and that is not the right abjad.

The correct abjad is fatira with the taa. That just means to be lax, weak, feeble, etc. and you can see that in babies.

So what is so special about that? You have to look at the surrender (salem), and the uncaring trust (wakkil) . They are helpless and they dont even know they are in that condition. If they are abandoned, they may cry, but they will never be able to do one thing about that.  With out God making the way for them, they will not survive.

So now we have some strength, or so it seems to us. But how often do we realize that God is in control? How easily do we forsake surrender and trust in God for some other thing, and perhaps satanic understanding.

Bi laa kayf is in that catagory. &quot;in no how?&quot; literally.  What is that?
Babies are in bi laa keef. 
Adults are not.

To pretend to be a baby spiritually or otherwise, just because you dont understand is such foolishness. To be born again doesnt mean that you forget everything and become a big adult baby once again. That was what Rabbi Gamal&#039;el was asking. &quot;How can a man be born gain? Can he enter and re-emerge from his mothers womb?&quot; Jesus (AS) then replies the answer. You can read it in the gospel injeel if you like.

Repent (tawba) and turn from evil (sharr) and accept what you were like before. As you surrendered and trusted then, remember that, and live that now.

It is not how it is taught now. But look at it as it is. 
They say WWJD,and they talk about it, but it falls short when you look.
It makes &quot;born again&quot; look bad. Who would want to be like that? So the whole witness (shahada) falls apart.

Muslims too have this disease. Remember where we must return, and how this is.
Anta salaam, wa minka salaam, wa raj&#039;a &#039;alaa salaam, wa bi kulli shayin Qadir.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salaams:<br />
Few people understand why the hadith are presented. We accept that fatir is and that is obvious, but as you look at the spirituality of the child you can begin to see why. Only if you understand this nature do you understand fatir.</p>
<p>Also know that everybody once had this state and it is forgotten. Astagfir Allaah.</p>
<p>In transliteration, there are 2 fatir, one is to break, and is used when you &#8220;break your fast&#8221;, and that is not the right abjad.</p>
<p>The correct abjad is fatira with the taa. That just means to be lax, weak, feeble, etc. and you can see that in babies.</p>
<p>So what is so special about that? You have to look at the surrender (salem), and the uncaring trust (wakkil) . They are helpless and they dont even know they are in that condition. If they are abandoned, they may cry, but they will never be able to do one thing about that.  With out God making the way for them, they will not survive.</p>
<p>So now we have some strength, or so it seems to us. But how often do we realize that God is in control? How easily do we forsake surrender and trust in God for some other thing, and perhaps satanic understanding.</p>
<p>Bi laa kayf is in that catagory. &#8220;in no how?&#8221; literally.  What is that?<br />
Babies are in bi laa keef.<br />
Adults are not.</p>
<p>To pretend to be a baby spiritually or otherwise, just because you dont understand is such foolishness. To be born again doesnt mean that you forget everything and become a big adult baby once again. That was what Rabbi Gamal&#8217;el was asking. &#8220;How can a man be born gain? Can he enter and re-emerge from his mothers womb?&#8221; Jesus (AS) then replies the answer. You can read it in the gospel injeel if you like.</p>
<p>Repent (tawba) and turn from evil (sharr) and accept what you were like before. As you surrendered and trusted then, remember that, and live that now.</p>
<p>It is not how it is taught now. But look at it as it is.<br />
They say WWJD,and they talk about it, but it falls short when you look.<br />
It makes &#8220;born again&#8221; look bad. Who would want to be like that? So the whole witness (shahada) falls apart.</p>
<p>Muslims too have this disease. Remember where we must return, and how this is.<br />
Anta salaam, wa minka salaam, wa raj&#8217;a &#8216;alaa salaam, wa bi kulli shayin Qadir.</p>
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		<title>By: yursil</title>
		<link>http://www.yursil.com/blog/2005/10/172/#comment-1784</link>
		<dc:creator>yursil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2005 11:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How is Bila Kayf supposed to be equivalent to the mystery of the Trinity?

Bila Kayf is applied to texts which involve Allah&#039;s attributes, many if not all are able to be understood figuratively.

Those that remain explained by saying &quot;without asking how&quot;, are attributes or qualities that would, with a literal understanding, ascribe a limit to Allah Most High.  So to avoid understanding it with a limit, we postpone its understanding.   

These means are used to understand certain Quranic verses which mention Allah, but certainly not akin to the concept of the Trinity which actually creates confusion on who Allah Most High is.   The point here is that Tauheed is simpler than the Trinity, full stop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is Bila Kayf supposed to be equivalent to the mystery of the Trinity?</p>
<p>Bila Kayf is applied to texts which involve Allah&#8217;s attributes, many if not all are able to be understood figuratively.</p>
<p>Those that remain explained by saying &#8220;without asking how&#8221;, are attributes or qualities that would, with a literal understanding, ascribe a limit to Allah Most High.  So to avoid understanding it with a limit, we postpone its understanding.   </p>
<p>These means are used to understand certain Quranic verses which mention Allah, but certainly not akin to the concept of the Trinity which actually creates confusion on who Allah Most High is.   The point here is that Tauheed is simpler than the Trinity, full stop.</p>
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		<title>By: myname</title>
		<link>http://www.yursil.com/blog/2005/10/172/#comment-1783</link>
		<dc:creator>myname</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2005 07:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Muslims believe in the concept of bila kayf. Why take a side swipe at Christians for their &#039;mystery&#039; of the Trinity (which, by the way, not all hold to), and simply stick to trying to understand the narratives?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Muslims believe in the concept of bila kayf. Why take a side swipe at Christians for their &#8216;mystery&#8217; of the Trinity (which, by the way, not all hold to), and simply stick to trying to understand the narratives?</p>
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		<title>By: ahmed</title>
		<link>http://www.yursil.com/blog/2005/10/172/#comment-1782</link>
		<dc:creator>ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2005 12:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and I would have never thought that there were any Feral children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and I would have never thought that there were any Feral children.</p>
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		<title>By: ahmed</title>
		<link>http://www.yursil.com/blog/2005/10/172/#comment-1781</link>
		<dc:creator>ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2005 12:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Imaam Al-Manawi in his own study of Fitra concludes “And what occurs is that man is inherently created to be strongly prepared to accept Islam, but he must learn it…”,

I think that explains it very well, that indeed some learning has to take place.

But you do pose an interesting question in the end; where does the denial of Islam come from, for those who deny Islam?

I would say Shaytaan does his job there. But after Shaytaan has worked hard enough on a person, he doesn&#039;t need to try and mislead him, that person starts misleading himself.

&quot;Guide us to the straight path.&quot; (1:5)

Ameen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imaam Al-Manawi in his own study of Fitra concludes “And what occurs is that man is inherently created to be strongly prepared to accept Islam, but he must learn it…”,</p>
<p>I think that explains it very well, that indeed some learning has to take place.</p>
<p>But you do pose an interesting question in the end; where does the denial of Islam come from, for those who deny Islam?</p>
<p>I would say Shaytaan does his job there. But after Shaytaan has worked hard enough on a person, he doesn&#8217;t need to try and mislead him, that person starts misleading himself.</p>
<p>&#8220;Guide us to the straight path.&#8221; (1:5)</p>
<p>Ameen</p>
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