Comments on: The Problem with Change http://www.yursil.com/blog/2004/06/the-problem-with-change/ islam, muslims, history, excerpts, life Sat, 31 Dec 2011 04:37:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: My self http://www.yursil.com/blog/2004/06/the-problem-with-change/#comment-39712 My self Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:59:00 +0000 http://www.yursil.com/wordpress/?p=72#comment-39712 If you are muslim you must have love,mercy and good knowledge and understanding... Religion is based on belief... then on what is belief based on??? Knowledge is based on understanding.. but what is understanding based on??? Why r u wasting your time here!!! The way to attain salvation is Divine love!!!! y r u all bitting about the bush??? Do not follow those who claim to be true without authority from The Lord but follow the way of the truth....the Heart knows and feels the truth. only the way to find it is left... now u will ask me what is the Truth and where it lies... If you are muslim you must have love,mercy and good knowledge and understanding… Religion is based on belief… then on what is belief based on??? Knowledge is based on understanding.. but what is understanding based on???
Why r u wasting your time here!!! The way to attain salvation is Divine love!!!!
y r u all bitting about the bush???

Do not follow those who claim to be true without authority from The Lord but follow the way of the truth….the Heart knows and feels the truth. only the way to find it is left…
now u will ask me what is the Truth and where it lies…

]]> By: Izzy Mo http://www.yursil.com/blog/2004/06/the-problem-with-change/#comment-914 Izzy Mo Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.yursil.com/wordpress/?p=72#comment-914 Salaam, This is a wonderful essay. It sums up my feelings about Wahabis and progressives. The reason why Westerners see the Wahabis as extremists is because they believe that any adherance to religious scripture is extremist. An 'extremist' Christian accepts the infalliability of the Bible. So it must be the same with Muslims. But in reality, Wahabis have clearly deviated from the middle path and have chosen to punish anyone who has an alternative opinion. Salaam,
This is a wonderful essay. It sums up my feelings about Wahabis and progressives. The reason why Westerners see the Wahabis as extremists is because they believe that any adherance to religious scripture is extremist. An ‘extremist’ Christian accepts the infalliability of the Bible. So it must be the same with Muslims. But in reality, Wahabis have clearly deviated from the middle path and have chosen to punish anyone who has an alternative opinion.

]]> By: izzy mo http://www.yursil.com/blog/2004/06/the-problem-with-change/#comment-915 izzy mo Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.yursil.com/wordpress/?p=72#comment-915 The progressives would rather have an Islam that is tied to captialism, feminism, pluralism or any other hip ideology that is supported by the West. I do think progressivism is a reaction to Wahhabism and either way, as you have stated, their message is only heard by non-Muslims. But hopefully, as more Muslims are drawn to Classical Islam, there will be more English translations of the classical works and access to the beauty of our deen that was lost in the chaos of colonialism. The progressives would rather have an Islam that is tied to captialism, feminism, pluralism or any other hip ideology that is supported by the West. I do think progressivism is a reaction to Wahhabism and either way, as you have stated, their message is only heard by non-Muslims. But hopefully, as more Muslims are drawn to Classical Islam, there will be more English translations of the classical works and access to the beauty of our deen that was lost in the chaos of colonialism.

]]> By: UZ http://www.yursil.com/blog/2004/06/the-problem-with-change/#comment-916 UZ Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.yursil.com/wordpress/?p=72#comment-916 Salaams: Great post. Salaams:

Great post.

]]> By: FM http://www.yursil.com/blog/2004/06/the-problem-with-change/#comment-917 FM Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.yursil.com/wordpress/?p=72#comment-917 SALAMS SALAMS

]]> By: ATA http://www.yursil.com/blog/2004/06/the-problem-with-change/#comment-918 ATA Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.yursil.com/wordpress/?p=72#comment-918 Good stuff my friend. We talk about it a lot, and I think you have done it justice here. I know you speak of Muslims learning the Traditional way, but I must say it appeals to the Non-Muslim as well. I'm not saying I'm ready to convert, but much of what you say as well as point me towards reading rings true with respect to Traditional Islam and how it applies to life. With so much invested, it would be ridiculous to change or throw it away. Especially without taking the time to understand what it is first. Who knows maybe I'll find God yet =] As always thanks for taking the time to share. People will one day see it for its beauty, hopefully it will be in our lifetime. Good stuff my friend. We talk about it a lot, and I think you have done it justice here. I know you speak of Muslims learning the Traditional way, but I must say it appeals to the Non-Muslim as well. I’m not saying I’m ready to convert, but much of what you say as well as point me towards reading rings true with respect to Traditional Islam and how it applies to life.

With so much invested, it would be ridiculous to change or throw it away. Especially without taking the time to understand what it is first.

Who knows maybe I’ll find God yet =]

As always thanks for taking the time to share. People will one day see it for its beauty, hopefully it will be in our lifetime.

]]> By: ATA http://www.yursil.com/blog/2004/06/the-problem-with-change/#comment-919 ATA Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.yursil.com/wordpress/?p=72#comment-919 It = "Traditional Islam" in that last sentence. It = “Traditional Islam” in that last sentence.

]]> By: Asim http://www.yursil.com/blog/2004/06/the-problem-with-change/#comment-920 Asim Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.yursil.com/wordpress/?p=72#comment-920 Assalamo alaikum! I think this discussion could be elaborated, and some possible confusions removed, if--for the purpose of analysis--we sub-divide Salafism into two categories: * Salafism Type A * Salafism Type B I define Salafism type 'A' as the belief by some (usually immature/ignorant) lay persons that they can practice Islam and interpret Islamic Sharia directly by reading the Qur'an, Hadith and other religious books. These are the people who elevate each individual to be his/her own Mufti, his/her own Abu Hanifa. If these people are charged with trying to re-define Islam in their own image, and of doing away with all our accumulated traditional scholarship, then the charge holds true. But then there is Salafism type 'B', which is free from the above described attitude. These people, when they have a question about any aspect of the Deen, go and consult their scholars, and do not think that a lay person should assume the role of the Mufti. The only significant difference is that the scholars these type B Salafis rely on do not limit themselves to one school of Fiqh in disputed issues. But, and this is crucial to note, these same Salafi scholars do rely on the accumulated 1400-years' of scholarly heritage, and in no sense are throwing this heritage away. A typical fatwa of theirs looks like this: <a href="http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=50536&dgn=4">http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=50536&dgn=4</a> (Note how this fatwa makes use of past scholars like Ibn Abideen [Hanafi], Nawawi [Shafii], Ibn Hazm [Zahiri] and Ibn Qudamah [Hambali]) Perhaps these few words of mine will serve to bring the hearts of Muslims together. Wassalam. Assalamo alaikum!

I think this discussion could be elaborated, and some possible confusions removed, if–for the purpose of analysis–we sub-divide Salafism into two categories:

* Salafism Type A
* Salafism Type B

I define Salafism type ‘A’ as the belief by some (usually immature/ignorant) lay persons that they can practice Islam and interpret Islamic Sharia directly by reading the Qur’an, Hadith and other religious books. These are the people who elevate each individual to be his/her own Mufti, his/her own Abu Hanifa.

If these people are charged with trying to re-define Islam in their own image, and of doing away with all our accumulated traditional scholarship, then the charge holds true.

But then there is Salafism type ‘B’, which is free from the above described attitude. These people, when they have a question about any aspect of the Deen, go and consult their scholars, and do not think that a lay person should assume the role of the Mufti. The only significant difference is that the scholars these type B Salafis rely on do not limit themselves to one school of Fiqh in disputed issues. But, and this is crucial to note, these same Salafi scholars do rely on the accumulated 1400-years’ of scholarly heritage, and in no sense are throwing this heritage away. A typical fatwa of theirs looks like this:

http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=50536&dgn=4

(Note how this fatwa makes use of past scholars like Ibn Abideen [Hanafi], Nawawi [Shafii], Ibn Hazm [Zahiri] and Ibn Qudamah [Hambali])

Perhaps these few words of mine will serve to bring the hearts of Muslims together.

Wassalam.

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